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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:38 AM
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This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
It was a long night, if it were only a night; but Scrooge had his doubts of this, because the Christmas Holidays appeared to be condensed into the space of time they passed together. It was strange, too, that while Scrooge remained unaltered in his outward form, the Ghost grew older, clearly older. Scrooge had observed this change, but never spoke of it, until they left a children's Twelfth Night party, when, looking at the Spirit as they stood together in an open place, he noticed that its hair was grey.

'Are spirits' lives so short?' asked Scrooge.

'My life upon this globe, is very brief,' replied the Ghost. 'It ends to-night.'

'To-night!' cried Scrooge.

'To-night at midnight. Hark! The time is drawing near.'

The chimes were ringing the three quarters past eleven at that moment.

'Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask,' said Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe, 'but I see something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw?'

'It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it,' was the Spirit's sorrowful reply. 'Look here.'

From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children; wretched, abject, frightful, hideous, miserable. They knelt down at its feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment.

'Oh, Man! look here! Look, look, down here!' exclaimed the Ghost.

They were a boy and a girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling, wolfish; but prostrate, too, in their humility. Where graceful youth should have filled their features out, and touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled hand, like that of age, had pinched, and twisted them, and pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has monsters half so horrible and dread.



Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie of such enormous magnitude.

'Spirit, are they yours?' Scrooge could say no more.

'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!' cried the Spirit, stretching out its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye! Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse! And abide the end!'

'Have they no refuge or resource?' cried Scrooge.

'Are there no prisons?' said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. 'Are there no workhouses?'

The bell struck twelve.

Scrooge looked about him for the Ghost, and saw it not. As the last stroke ceased to vibrate, he remembered the prediction of old Jacob Marley, and lifting up his eyes, beheld a solemn Phantom, draped and hooded, coming, like a mist along the ground, towards him.


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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:40 AM
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1. My favorite story.
Internal redemption.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:41 AM
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2. Kick and recommend. n/t
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:45 AM
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3. Adorably mocked in that horrid "American Carol" version.
Especially ironic as those two children are far more the product of the right than the left.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:49 AM
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4. Dickens is a political Rorschach test
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 09:50 AM by supernova
I've always observed that people on the right and left look at Dickens' World very differently.

People on the left read that and think. That's so horrible! We should change society so that there isn't such meagerness, and grimness to life for so many.

People in the right read that and think How-to manual. That's a world I want to dominate.


Thanks for the excerpt from one of my favorite stories, YOY.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:52 AM
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6. It wasn't I, but Philosoraptor! Thank that cool cat!
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 09:59 AM by YOY
n/t
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 11:05 AM
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12. Agreed GOOD!(nt)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:44 PM
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19. That's because Dickens was a good Unitarian.
And we all know how Godless those Unitarians are!

:sarcasm:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:27 PM
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25. Feh
I hope Zucker gets haunted by Dickens for this travesty.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:51 AM
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5. That scene is worth the whole movie and gives me chills every time
(the scene in the original movie, I mean). And the words alone, even without images, raise the hair on my neck.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 11:52 AM
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14. Which "original movie" -Alistair Sim as Scrooge? or was there one before that? I reallly like the
version w/ George C. Scott as Scrooge.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:34 PM
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18. I mean the Alistair Sim version (n/t)
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:53 AM
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7. I'm Reading this to my wife now.
A Christmas season tradition in our house.

Remember in high school when you were reading Dickens or Jane Austin or Shakespere or Thomas Hardy and other similar writers?
Remember that there was always ONE pain in the ass kid in the class that actually LIKED it?

I was that pain in the ass kid in my school.

I was very popular in English Lit class, especially when the other kids would bitch about the books, say they were boring and that nobody liked it and the teacher would point to me and say "HE does"!

Thanks for posting.

PEACE!
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:58 AM
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8. One of the best opening lines ever!
"Marley was dead, that was the thing."
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SPQR Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:57 AM
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11. "Marley was dead:
to begin with." But I like yours, too! ;-)
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:05 AM
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9. I just finished reading it again. I've picked up the habit of reading it every December. n/t
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:50 AM
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10. I own a printing of the book with drawings by Ronald Searle. . .
the famous illustrator. Released in 1961. Probably a collector's item by now:

http://ronaldsearle.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 11:09 AM
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13. My favoite story
since I was a child. I was taught to try to live like Scrooge after the four spirits visited him.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:05 PM
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15. Humbug!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:07 PM
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16. I read this story aloud to my boys every Christmas during their
formative years. I will know in another 10-15 years if it made an impression.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:12 PM
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17. I belive only the George C Scott version had this scene in it
All the other film adaptations omit this scene.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:29 PM
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26. George C. Scott is the best Scrooge, IMHO, and that version has the TINIEST of Tims.
I always thought of that, my favorite of all the adaptions (and not just because it has stuff like the Ignorance and Want scene that the others don't have), the only way you could get a TINIER TIm would to be to put a 19th Century cockney hat on a zygote!

Seriously, though, the Scott adaption is by far the closest to the book itself of all of them, and that alone makes it #1 in my book. Add the amazing cast involved and it stands, IMHO, head and shoulders above the rest...even the sainted Alistair Sims version.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 07:02 PM
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28. I like the George C Scott version as well. My least favorite is that Kelsey Grammer travesty.
Not to mention the fact that it was a musical...absolutely hideous.

I think I only lasted about 20 minutes.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 07:21 AM
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31. "... a 19th Century cockney hat on a zygote!"
:rofl:

"Mmmm... uba kulle rah doe kankee kung!" :pals:




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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:47 PM
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20. 'Have they no refuge or resource?' cried Scrooge.
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 02:47 PM by intheflow
'Are there no prisons?' said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. 'Are there no workhouses?'



That's the one section in every version of the movie I've seen, and of course in this original version, that sets me to crying. I know that that, the spirit echoing his own words back to him, without accusation or mockery, is the turning point of Scrooge's journey.

Thanks for the wake up call, philosoraptor.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:55 PM
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21. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Philosoraptor.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:58 PM
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22. And upon their brows are written the doom of mankind.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:08 PM
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23. A Christmas story to scare the Dickens out of you
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:17 PM
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24. A powerful peice
It amazes me that people fail to read "A Christmas Carole" and not arrive at the obvious conclusion that Dickens wasn't just speaking of how nice you are during the holidays.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:52 PM
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27. Such a powerful story.
And yes, as far as films, the Sims version is my favorite. It's classic.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:41 PM
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29. George C Scott version on AMC right now
Eastern zone. started at 10:30pm
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 05:36 AM
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30. I disagree. Want is more dangerous than Ignorance.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 05:39 AM by tomreedtoon
Dickens being a writer and an intellectual, this may have outweighed his judgment in this case. I recall he was a social activist that encouraged education and reading. He didn't undertake any attempt to feed the poor and starving in London.

Starvation, hunger and outrage at material inequality were the basis of the Communist Revolution. It has driven mobs to topple governments and bring down uncaring Presidents like Hoover. Heck, even the Black Panthers recognized it; before they fed children Communist propaganda, they gave them a good breakfast first. If those kids had decent nutrition that radicalism wouldn't have worked.

And it should be clear to anyone left of center that Christian propaganda organizations like the Salvation Army are using food as a weapon to make more people right-wing Christians.

ON EDIT: This ought to be considered in the priorities of the Obama Administration. Getting the poor food and shelter should be high on the list. Especially since it was off the list of every Republican administration.

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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 07:30 AM
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32. Scrooge = Republicans = more prisons = less opportunity + no welfare
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 07:31 AM by TWiley
odd how the republican urge must never be questioned and always demands satisfactino. Beware of that I say.
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