To what end America?

[arcadian]

We know that the spreading Democracy and freedom idea is a load of bullshit. But let's take a look at these other aims of the United States as set forth in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

-in Order to form a more perfect Union Yeah, we pretty much gave that one up when we turned the reigns over to lobbyists and corporations.

-establish Justice LOL! :rofl: George W. Bush

-insure domestic Tranquility tranquility if you can afford it and not have to worry about medical bills, your next meal, will you have a home in one month. Tranquility = living in your gated community in blissful ignorance of the suffering of the rest of the planet.

-provide for the common defense The military is just an arm of the corporatocracy sent domestically and abroad to secure investment opportunity and capital.

-promote the general Welfare "general" meaning the "haves and have mores", ie. Bush's base.

-secure the Blessings of Liberty Let's get real. What does that even fucking mean? If they have to be secured it's really not liberty anyway. Sounds like the doublespeak that Bush uses when he says, "we are spreading democracy to the Middle East".

-do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America Ordain? Separation of church and state? Were the founding fathers ministers? And clearly the U.S. Constitution is not for the United States of America. Oh that's correct, when it was written slaves and women really weren't people any way, nor was any person who wasn't landed. So I guess that group wasn't really America, so technically, at the time, it was to the letter of the law.

So, America? What's the fucking point?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. I agree - it's frustrating to know it all appears like a fairy tale nt

[Cogito ergo doleo]

2. Sure is the sad truth.

[Greyhound]

3. Two points; Ordain is not a religious term.

The founders of this nation knew and said many times that the system was utterly dependent on an active, knowledgeable, informed population, and that is how they beat us. By controlling information and eliminating learning, we have been transformed from citizens to subjects and we have been such for a very long time.

Like nature, It is all connected.

[arcadian]

6. ordain

or·dain (ôr-dn)
tr.v. or·dained, or·dain·ing, or·dains
1.
a. To invest with ministerial or priestly authority; confer holy orders on.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ordain



I put that part in there as a bit tongue in cheek, but there is the definition anyway. Certainly that word must be an area on contention among Constitutional scholars.

[Greyhound]

7. or-dain [awr-deyn]

–verb (used with object)
to enact or establish by law, edict, etc.: to ordain a new type of government.
to decree; give orders for: He ordained that the restrictions were to be lifted.

–verb (used without object)
to select for or appoint to an office.


No big deal, just pointing out the context.
:hi:

[arcadian]

8. Flame War: ON

I mock your value system. You also appear foolish in the eyes of others.

:D :hi:

[Greyhound]

9. LOL!

I do indeed, been laughed at most of my life in spite of being consistently proved right.

But then, who among us can't say the same thing. "I'd rather be popular than right" has become an American mantra.

[Oregone]

4. The fucking point is, and always was, we get to pay taxes to different people.

Now the tax dollars line the coffers of elitists with less refined taste and accents. All that other gibberish was just to sell the idea on the sons and daughters, the workers, and the blood of the nation, such that they will continue to sacrifice in the name of these false ideals.

[dana_b]

5. "it's just a piece of paper"

didn't Bush say something like that? or is that folklore?
Anyway, in our society now, it really does just seem to be a piece of paper.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

Thomas Paine