Who's more discriminated against? Gays or Atheists?

[Cattledog]

[polichick]

1. I hope you're kidding.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

41. No, he's not

He's been all over (including in the GLBT forum) posting this kind of shit.

[Critters2]

2. Oh for fuck's sake.

:eyes:

[Midlodemocrat]

9. Critters!!!!! You said the 'f' word.

:rofl:

:hi:

[Critters2]

19. Well, sometimes ya just gotta. I mean,

:wtf:

[tekisui]

3. I am a straight atheist----Gays for sure.

I don't have to tell anyone I am an atheist.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. Fat gay atheists?

:shrug:

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Last time I checked, no one had beaten me because I "looked" athiest.

[mucifer]

6. How often do crazy people beat up or kill people for being atheists?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Well, there was that atheist woman in Texas...

[Midlodemocrat]

7. Man, you are really winning hearts and minds today.

And, if you're serious, well, there's not a lot of hope for you.

[tekisui]

10. It looks like a 'divide' technique.

Utter fail.

[Midlodemocrat]

13. In all honesty.

I think the straight folks should stay out of this argument if they don't feel even somewhat as betrayed as the GLBT community does. Rick Warren is a divisive, hateful person, not just in the way he feels about equality, but in a lot of ways.

I'm sickened by this choice and would never presume to tell my GLBT friends here that they need to 'get over it'.

[tekisui]

23. Indeed.

Just as men have no right to speak on abortion issues.

[Phredicles]

34. Oh, they have the right. It's just near-impossible to do without sounding dumb

and maybe downright odious: Approach with massive caution. Not much caution around here lately, mind you.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. I hope it will be gone soon

[OffWithTheirHeads]

8. As a hetero Athiest who grew up in San Francisco, I

guarantee that gay folks are. Maybe, if we ever elect a gay President...

[Cattledog]

12. You guys must not have spent much time in the South.

:sarcasm:

[Midlodemocrat]

14. Right. We all live in NYC or San Francisco.

:sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Why?

Is it gay friendly?

[Jamastiene]

45. Southerner born and raised.

I have always lived in the same town here in the south, except for a short stint in another southern city that lasted less than a year.

I can't tell you one thing: I'm southern enough to know you just shit and fell back in it.

[hlthe2b]

15. Persons of color still --in some areas then obese (fat) people....

without a doubt. DU attitudes, (if better than the world at large, as some would suggest) only underscores this... And while morbidly obese of both genders may be similarly ridiculed, I have to say that women are far more discriminated against than men at more moderate obesity levels. Granted there are regions of the country where gays/lesbians are going to be the discriminated scape goats "of choice."

Having said that, I think pitting one discriminated group against another is incredibly wrong. We need to be sensitive to each and fight for the equal rights and dignity of each.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

64. People of color and fat people may face discrimination

But they have all their civil rights.

Gays don't AND they face discrimination. Plus, there are plenty of gays of color & fat gays.

[hlthe2b]

71. If you mean marriage, yes certainly, but fat people can be fired

without cause (or not hired) because of appearances in many states... It is harder to do so with race, but that does persist. Both groups are also the victims of hate crimes, which are clearly violations of civil rights.

But, the point I am trying to make is that those discriminated should not be trying to decide who is most at risk, but banding together. This seming "one-upmanship" is really counter productive.

[readmoreoften]

76. Yeah, gay people can be fired without cause too.

[hlthe2b]

85. I am well aware of that...Please re-read my post...

I think you miss the point

[ColbertWatcher]

16. Gee, let's ask black guys which one they hate more!

Please with this kind of question already.

Do I have to post the sarcasm thingie?

[ZombieHorde]

18. Gays.

[AlCzervik]

20. Gay atheists.

i win this thread.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. Where the hell have you been?

Missed you. :hug:

[AlCzervik]

a hilarity of terribleness spread over 3 weeks capped off with getting 2 toes broken.

Good to see you too!


:hi: :hug:

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Oh, noes!!!!!

Hope you're on the mend, sweetie.

[AlCzervik]

31. i'm limping around and trying to finish up the Christmas stuff, things could be worse

so i'm trying not to complain. :fistbump:

[lightningandsnow]

21. Srsly?

And yes, this question is stupid enough to warrant speaking in lolcat.

[demwing]

24. I think,,,Gay Theists

are far more discrimminated against then other gays, theists, or atheists, straight or not.

[Obamanaut]

25. In the event an atheist is disciminated against as much as Gays,

and tires of it, he (or she) can always change. And it goes away.

I don't think I've ever read a dumber question.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Isn't that kind of like saying...

if a gay person doesn't like being discriminated agains they can just go back into the closet?

[Obamanaut]

32. No. It's like saying if an atheist doesn't like being discriminated

against, he can believe shit - or say he believes shit. All the belief/faith stuff is a conscious decision whereas sexual orientation is not, or so I've been told.

If you were not if fact testing me, then I take it back about the other being the dumbest question I've read.

[nodster]

63. I don't think I've ever read a dumber answer.

Infact I've never cringed so hard in my life. What a jaw-droppingly stupid thing to say.

Yeah, just change your beliefs at the drop of a hat. Not only is that intellectually dishonest, it's intellectually impossible.

[Gwendolyn]

66. I think what the poster is trying to convey, is that it's easier to lie about religious belief,

than it is to live a closeted life due to your sexual orientation and/or never have the opportunity to live with the one you love.

It's a relatively recent freedom for atheists to come out and say that they are. In the 50's well, you just shut your mouth and sat in that pew every Sunday along with everyone else. The rest of the week was yours though. Not so for gay people.

[nodster]

70. No,

he said it was a "conscious decision", implying that if you don't the like the treatment you receive for being an atheist, you can just willfully believe. Not possible.

You can't just wake up one morning and CHOOSE to believe, anymore than you can just CHOOSE to like the taste spinach. Human beings are not wired that way. It is intellectually impossible.

[Gwendolyn]

72. Guess I misread it. He said "or say he believes shit."

I took that to mean lying about having faith.

[Gwendolyn]

26. Gay people for sure. The hate crime stats the FBI puts out has them at the top of the list.

But atheists are discriminated against in many ways as well, especially those who live in small, rural fundie towns. In some communities, especially if you have kids, not belonging to a church is social suicide, and the kids get beaten up and bullied at school. Atheists get passed over for promotions, raises, and they can't be president either.

[riderinthestorm]

75. Yup, social suicide for children of atheists in Wheaton, IL

plus the less tangible side effects of bullying and isolation.

I speak from experience. My 12 year old was grateful to move from Wheaton (home of Billy Graham and other uber evangelicals), but feels even more socially isolated in our new town (Denny Hastert land), than before where she grew up with the kids who knew her values were solid even if she wasn't a believer. They would "generously" (direct quote from 2 of her friends' parents) overlook her lack of church participation and "allow" my daughter an hour to "play" with their kids every so often.... :(

While I would never denigrate the ostracism and outright hatred towards gays, personally, I would put the denigration and ostracism of atheists on an equal playing field.

It's painful. It exists. I experience it every day as do my children.

The realities are stark enough to indicate that atheists are enmeshed in at least as great a struggle as gays. We can't hold public office, we can never come out to our clients, we're Americas but we're the most scorned social group in every study conducted.

[charlie]

28. Gays

Easily.

[mondo joe]

30. As a smug gay atheist, I'm down for gays as more discriminated against.

Being atheist may be a cause for informal bigotry (as in being a handicap in running for office).

But being an atheist has never denied me any civil rights. Being gay has.

[Fumesucker]

33. It really depends what you are talking about when you say "discriminated"

There are quite a few openly gay politicians, I've been told there is one openly atheist politician but I've forgotten his name.

On the other hand straight atheists can pretty much marry who they want to and it's probably somewhat easier to stay closeted as an atheist than as a gay.

Depending on where you live coming out as either atheist or gay can create serious trouble in your life.

Probably on the whole more gays though.

[Ohio Joe]

35. I'm a straight atheist - No doubt, gays

Yes, I can and have had my atheist views held against me but there is little comparison.

[PeaceNikki]

36. This is rigoddamdiculous

[prostock69]

37. I don't know about "discrimination" but as far as acceptance goes..

I think gays are more accepted than atheists in part to t.v. and media. It's become common and really not that big of a deal to see gay people on t.v. or in movies. However, when is the last time you've seen a character on t.v. that was an open atheist? Atheists are demonized by all religions because
a lack of religious beliefs is a greater threat to them than a person being gay. I don't think there has been a president that has stated that gays should not have the right to be a U.S. citizen, like Pres. Bush, Sr. has said regarding atheists. I think gays, however, are more openly discriminated against, because atheists tend to stay "in the closet" out of fear. This is merely my perception.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. Flamebait bullshit

[Texasgal]

40. why are you asking this?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

43. Because he's been busy spreading anti-gay "joy" all over today

Including in the GLBT forum.

[Texasgal]

48. Lovely.

x(

*sigh*

[Odin2005]

42. Some of the DUers decrying Warren's bigotry are the same ones that are bigoted again us Atheists.

:yoiks:

[mondo joe]

44. As a big gay atheist, wtf are you talking about?

[Odin2005]

51. You must nust read the Religion/Theology subforum much.

[mondo joe]

55. Basically, no. My one observation on the topic would be that some posters

that I find enjoyable and logical - and I include you in this category very much - on atheism, I find peculiarly less than thorough or thoughtful on some gay issues.

I don't mean that as an insult. I genuinely like seeing your name come up in many threads. There seems to be a discrepancy here.

Your posts in this thread may have shed light on it.

[Odin2005]

60. Thanks for giving a reasonable response.

I just get frustrated not at the position, I am 100% FOR same-sex marriage, but at the attitude people take to the issue. I don't get the problem with dialogue. many of these people are not evil Nazis, They, Warren included, are for the most part good people with misguided beliefs because of upbringing and the influence of others. shunning them doesn't work, all my reading seems to say that isolation makes such people become more extreme and fanatical.

[readmoreoften]

77. Lotta gay atheists out there. Lotta gay religious people who understand why they're atheists.

Never met a gay person who had "issues" with atheists.

[libnnc]

46. Did you walk to school or bring your lunch?

Makes about as much sense as this OP.

Idiotic, fucking....

[Jamastiene]

47. Confucius say, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool,

than to open it and remove all doubt."

I want to pity you, but I just can't. What are you? A pyromaniac?

[RetroLounge]

49. Who's more of an asshat?

You.



RL

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

50. Bwahahaha

You're one of my favorite divorced homosexuals.

Now, I shall sing a song about tamales for you.

[RetroLounge]

53. LOL

:rofl:

:loveya:

RL

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

62. .

:loveya:

[Maven]

52. Hehehehe

[mondo joe]

56. The sight of Anne Sexton AND the Asshat girl in one post is an utter delight.

[RetroLounge]

57. Didn't even notice that.

Hee, now I'm laughing my ass off. Looks like Anne is calling him an asshat too.

:9

RL

[mondo joe]

58. I suspect Anne dismissed rather a lot of people with some analagous term.

:thumbsup:

[BlooInBloo]

54. (facepalm)

[Greyhound]

59. Who ordered this pizza?

[QC]

78. Unfortunately, the ones most in need of pizza seldom get one. n/t

[JohnnieGordon]

61. I'm both and feel much more discriminated against about being gay

Being an atheist hasn't really been an obstacle in life at all, it pretty much never comes up. Being gay got me viciously picked on in jr high to the point I skipped 43 days in the 9th grade. And I did end up dropping out of high school, which is quite common for gays, I think it's something like 1 in 4. Homophobia has had a profound effect on my life.

[DainBramaged]

65. Is this one of those trick questions? Like which came first,

the bear or the woods?

[gollygee]

67. I'd have to guess being gay

is more discriminated against, though there isn't a competition, and it's possible to be both. I'm an atheist and I was easily able to get married.

[rexcat]

68. The answer is obvious....

christians! Just ask them, they are the most persecuted. Oops, that was not an option!

Maybe gay atheists????

[hughee99]

69. Gay atheist smokers.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

73. I'm a gay smoker, but I'm not an atheist

Damn. I almost had the trifecta.

[PVnRT]

74. ...

[Heidi]

79. :eyes:

[JI7]

80. Atheists are hated more, but Gays are more discriminated against

[yardwork]

81. I'm fighting for everyone's rights. I don't pick and choose.

[Sultana]

82. LOL WUT

Seriously

:wtf:

[QC]

83. Trolls.

And with good reason.

[Qibing Zero]

84. This only matters if you define one as being Atheist at birth.

That alone merits discussion.

Are we all atheist at birth? Are just some of us?