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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:22 AM
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Some Liberals agree with the BushCons
They all think Bushco should not have to pay for lying to the American people and the world about WMD, the invasion of Iraq, torture, and the destruction of the US economy.

It is an odd combination that argues for allowing past crimes to be forgiven and forgotten. Usually conservatives are all for criminals being brought to justice, but in this case almost every con is willing to look the other way.

Of course, some liberals are infamous for allowing criminals to walk, and in Bushco's case some are acting no different. It is just very odd to see the two sides joining hands over Bushco's criminal activities.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:28 AM
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1. It would be a very dangerous precedent to set if Bushco isn't prosecuted.
Executive power = dictatorship.

The only way to stop/prevent it from becoming the norm is to abide by the law of the land, and let the Constitution guide our actions. The Constitution must be protected. If it is, Bushco will go down.

I hope - I believe - that Obama has the morals, standards, intelligence, and ethics to know that he cannot forgive and forget without an investigation. Because to ignore these crimes is to condone them, which will make Barack just as bad as Bush.

I don't see that happening. Yes, we have lots of immediate problems that must be dealt with, but how many of these problems would exist is Bushco had followed the laws and circumvented the legal process at every opportunity? That's the bottom line, and I think Barack Obama will address it.
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CheCheCheCheYerBooty Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 10:03 AM
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8. Prosecute
I believe President Obama will have have the Justice Department prosecute bush. I think his standing as the country's moral champion would be at stake and he realizes this.

The second greatest celebration in the world (beside's Barack Obama's election) would be Bush headed to a fed supermax.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:12 PM
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12. Sadly, the precedent was set when neither Reagan or Bush I were prosecuted
"for the good of the country". I hope the new DOJ will see things differently.



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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:31 AM
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2. Liberals my tired arse
Anyone making that argument is not a Liberal. I can call myself the Queen of England but they still won't let me in Buckingham Palace.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:36 AM
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3. Calling themselves liberals when they are, in fact DLC DINOs is no different than...
Republics calling themselves advocates of social and economic conservatism, family values and small-government.

Applying a label to something doesn't make it so.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:57 AM
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4. Question: Do you want Obama to pass *any* of his agenda?
If the answer is no, then prosecute Bush.

Believe me, I would love to see Bush hauled off in chains as much as the next guy. But I'm not stupid. I know it would be a thermonuclear partisan bomb. *NOTHING* -- and I mean *nothing* -- would get done for the next two to four years.

This country is in deep trouble right now. So much needs to be done. And *none* of it would happen if we try to prosecute Bush. None.

(First person to call me a BushCon or a DLC-bootlicker wins a pony.)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:00 PM
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9. Agenda passing
If it is a choice between getting the country back to progress and delivering a death blow to bushco, then of course we choose progress.

But the idea that progress and delivering a death blow are exclusive, escapes me. I think we can do both. We have momentum, and we have hordes of people whom, downtrodden and scared, came to the polls in record numbers wanting bushco out.

So I think we can do both. I feel we must. When Clinton allowed Iran-Contra to fade away, I had the air let out of me. I was disgusted and walked away from further involvement because it just seemed useless. I wanted justice for Reagan and Bush1. I wanted to see someone go to jail, like so many of my brothers had for much, much more minute infractions.

Anywhoo, if Obama feels he can't do both -- if he really feels that the political winds of investigating bushco would blow his administration away, then let him tell us that.

Let's have him go on TV and say that the country must let bushco slide, and tell us why he feels that way, and his reasons for it. It may save many folks from walking away, for we need all of us these coming days.

In the meantime, lets go get those bush bastards!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 10:00 PM
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15. I agree with you and neither of us is stupid.
Intelligent people can multitask, and can demand justice, too.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:04 PM
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10. What kinda pony?
I need to develop my risk/reward matrix!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:10 PM
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11. Congress can work on the agenda
while the DOJ does it's job.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:56 PM
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14. Just because you run DU doesn't mean you can't be a conservative tool
In fact, that was your evil plan, wasn't it? corral us all where we could be rounded up and carted off to some secret internet forum in the boonies and forced to work for nothing answering tech support questions about washing machines. I've got my eye on you, mister. And I don't like what I see!


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:58 AM
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5. 'some liberals'....names please?
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:01 AM
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6. I agree with Skinner, partially
I think that Obama needs to get the country back in shape BEFORE prosecuting BushCo. Let Obama get reelected and then he can bring the chickens home to roost.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:48 AM
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7. some? try most..see iraq,bankruptcy,tarp and on and on
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 09:37 PM
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13. I agree with BeFree. Sorry Skinner, you owe me a pony. My wife is very excited about that.
To conclude that our great nation cannot investigate and ultimately prosecute the most unpopular President in history, who has repeatedly abused the office, lied to America, and stolen our children's future by looting the treasury, is to give up on democracy and the rule of law.

If the men and women who fought for our freedom in order to escape the tyranny of the English crown heard that insipid argument about Obama not being able to push his agenda forward, I'm pretty sure they would be appalled at our lack of courage and our willingness to allow our democracy to be stolen without a fight.

There will always be excuses, rationalizations, and emergencies that could possibly distract us from our duty to keep secure our democratic form of government. Those who would steal our freedoms will always trumpet those excuses, rationalizations and emergencies as THE MOST IMPORTANT BUSINESS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. And we soft, scared, weak minions will timidly agree and remain complicit in our own servitude to tyrants.

Allowing George Bush and his band of criminals to go unpunished will be the most shameful moment in our nation's history because it will be the death knell of American democracy.


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