I smell a boycott of Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, & South Carolina

[Chipper Chat]

Both Republican Senators in those states voted against the auto bailout. Those 10 pricks cannot imagine what that means to this Kokomo Indiana farmboy with 12 extended family members who work for GM.
:banghead:
Stop ordering anything online from companies in those 5 states. Do not spend your tourist dollars in Charleston, Tulsa, Louisville, Atlanta, Montgomery. Do not buy foreign autos built in those states (who were given huge tax-incentives by those SAME SENATORS).
Instead, shop blue states online, buy GM, Ford, & Chrysler products. Plan vacations in the north - lots of educational places to visit in Chicago. Indiana has some great state parks, wonderful museums, Amish country, the Indy 500, and the Madison hydroplane regatta.
:bounce:
So who's with me? Let's go for a little red-state punishment.

[elleng]

1. I'm with you,

but those 10 pricks DON'T CARE. Its not part of their whatever. Its THEM or US, and the chips end up stacked in their favor, more often or not.

Its late (or early) and I'm not thinking clearly, but if We the People don't make it work in our favor this time, during this coming administration, I think it NEVER WILL.

[SharonAnn]

100. Hey, don't forget Tennessee!

[roguevalley]

102. Family came from these places and I wanted to visit to take pictures

of historical things for my books but NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! EVER!

Sorry ggggggg-grandparents. BUT NEVER!

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[alfredo]

3. NASCAR Fans will not look kindly on Shelby and McConnell

[Medusa]

36. NASCAR fans aren't that bright

they won't get the connection.

[Lugnut]

47. Oh really?

Do tell as you paint with your broad brush.

[nichomachus]

62. Well, let's see

Three hours watching shiny things go around in a circle -- even my cat gets sick of that after about a half hour.

[BlooInBloo]

66. "It's an oval."

:rofl:

[Kalyke]

81. They don't watch it for that.

They watch it for the wrecks.

Geesch.

Oh - and NASCAR's pretty popular outside of the South, too.

[nichomachus]

86. I've asked people

why they don't just take their lawn chairs and coolers over to the I-10 and watch the traffic there. Much cheaper -- and there you even get the occasional shootout.

[cherokeeprogressive]

114. That statement never fails to show up when someone mentions NASCAR.

Of course us NASCAR fans don't watch it for the competition. NASCAR fans are blind to the beaucoup engineering it takes to move an automobile 500 miles at 200 mph without breaking it. NASCAR fans are blind to the fact that even the PIT CREWS have degrees. NASCAR fans don't understand or appreciate teamwork. The only thing missing from what I read in the few words that you wrote is that NASCAR fans are fat, beer swilling misogynists with rebel flags in the back window of their Ford F-150s, covering up the gun rack.

I don't know a single NASCAR fan that would say they watch the races for the "wrecks". Most of my friends who are NASCAR fans are quite schmart.

[DainBramaged]

124. Sad, and DU is suppossed to be a 'Progressive' message board.

[alfredo]

75. If we make the point they might. No big three, no NASCAR

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. You sure? This household likes Nascar and you have no idea

what we are saying about those idiots...

Also, not that you know this, NASCAR is in trouble due to the econony

[a la izquierda]

110. You and me both...

:toast:
die-hard liberals in my house.

[NNN0LHI]

91. My brother has already sold his Talladega and Bristol tickets

And he won't be renewing his option for more next year as he has for over a decade because of this. He said he usually spent several hundred dollars at each one over race weekend. He won't be doing that any more.

Don

[mmonk]

105. I thought NASCAR supported the domestic car manufacturers

and the UAW. Am I mistaken?

[Sex Pistol]

106. Actually, you just proved that you are not all that bright.

And you are very close-minded too.

[DainBramaged]

123. Really????

NASCAR is all over the country, including Deleware, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, California, Michigan. You sayin we aren't bright?

[sandnsea]

4. Add Montana

both of their Dems did too. And what of Idaho, Utah, Wyoming and other western states? Hell, my two Senators didn't even bother to vote. No idea why. The southern Senators are definitely the loudest, but the anti-union sentiment is loudest everywhere and the media definitely helps.

[Chipper Chat]

6. I think we already boycott Utah & Wyoming so I excluded them.

Idaho? Well, Larry Craig didn't vote. Musta had a layover at some airport. Can't figure out Tester. Maybe he just got back from talking with those rural folks out near Cutbank.

[Waiting For Everyman]

5. Very definitely with you on that.

TN too. Those states can dry up and blow away, until the people there get some integrity, and get rid of those creeps who are harming ALL of us.

[Chipper Chat]

7. I'm still fuming over the "Harold Call Me" ad.

Corker is such a waste of space.

[DainBramaged]

125. Corker will be a one-term footnote in history.

[Syrinx]

8. I'm sure Montgomery is worried about the loss of their lucrative tourism industry.

Not.

The automobile industry was recruited to Alabama by former Democratic governor Jim Folsom. And the tax incentives were passed by the Democratically-controlled state legislature, not by Republicans in Washington. And it was a great move.

I absolutely detest Richard Shelby, but, if I'm not mistaken, he also voted against the $700 billion Wall Street bailout.

You want me to spend money in Chicago? Maybe I'll buy a Senate seat.

[Chipper Chat]

13. Maybe Montgomery was a bad example.

s/b Mobile?
Didn't Shelby used to be a blue dog democrat?

[Kalyke]

84. Feel that?

I just hugged you!!

Even if you do have a Bear Bryant avatar (UT grad here).

[Fumesucker]

9. Hi from Atlanta..

We love you guys too. :hug:

[amborin]

10. and Tennessee, where the UAW tried to organize Nissan's Symrna plant

but Nissan used every kind of illegal tactic to keep the UAW out

[michreject]

24. And all these **cough, cough** liberals

Still bought Nissan vehicles.

[kywildcat]

11. As a Kentuckian who is appalled

I agree. First off-as I've been saying-Elain Chao is Mitch McConnell 's wife (R-KY). She is the Labor Secretary-this needs to be repeated.
I also think every person who has lost their auto industry based job needs to copy every monthly bill and mail and fax them to Elaine Chao, Mitch McConnell and the rest of this group.

[cap]

27. don't get me started on Chao

the Anti-Labor Secretary. She's laying off folks who process unemployment payments in the middle of this economy....

I don't want to wake up frothing at the mouth....

[Captain Hilts]

107. So, what do you think of the rumors she's only Mitch's beard?

Hell, he looks like Howdy Doody.

I've actually met him a couple of times.

[kywildcat]

108. As have I. I'm still looking for his chin

and I would imagine he's still looking for his cajones.

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[marmar]

14. There's already such a movement underway here in Michigan.....

Isn't Home Depot based in Georgia?

[Donnachaidh]

46. yup. Main offices in Atlanta

Still trying to figure out how I can live in Georgia and still join the boycott. HELP for those of us living behind enemy lines!

[quickesst]

15. Pathetic and shameful...

...let's forget the millions of democrats, and their children who live in and love the south for a myriad of reasons never stated here because reliving the Civil War is more important. So, to those who will make decent people's life a living hell, and accept the millions of good people in the south as "collateral damage" in the quest to fulfill an idiotic proposal, go back to the confines of the sewers you crawled out of. When, and if a natural disaster strikes, will we hear a collective, and enthusiastic cheer for the misery innocent victims of your Civil War will be inflicted with? I beieve we will, for misguided ideology trumps civility every time. My nine year old grandson, and five year old granddaughter thank you for caring whether they live, die, or simply suffer catastrophic losses. South blanket bashers are a disgusting lot.
quickesst

[pecwae]

17. But ,The South is the cause of all evviills!

A great quote, "misguided ideology trumps civility every time".

[Virginia Dare]

68. Oops, wrong place

where is ole Abe when you need him....:evilgrin:

[specimenfred1984]

83. Yep, they'll be forgotten alright

Like all the good Germans.

[Are_grits_groceries]

16. Thank you so very much for dumping on the Dems in these states.

I detest my Senators and am trying to work with others to defeat them. Yes it can happen.
It may take a while longer, but it can happen.

Go ahead and boycott. All you will do is make people madder than hell, and they will vote
for those people out of general cussedness.

Why don't you take the position that one person posted? Point out NASCAR and other businesses
that will lose out. Show people what jobs will be gone. You'd be surprised what talking instead
of shouting will do. BTW the South is not ignorant of union fights. Check the history of the
textile industry and see what happened. People have more in common that you know. You could
tap into that strain of dislike of the bosses.

Now I expect dissertations on why the South should just be cut off and sailed into the ocean if
possible. I don't have the time or energy right now to look up what Senators from other states did
that went against interests in other areas. I'm sure there are plenty.

BTW I support the bailout. Not doing it is a huge gamble. I don't think anybody truly knows what will happen.
I have read convincing articles from both sides. We have an extremely weak economy. With a stronger
economy, those losses might be able to be handled. I think playing with possible huge job losses now
is a bet I don't want to make. Those Southern Senate doofi will have this on their heads.

[Dinger]

18. K & R!

[lonestarnot]

19. K & R!

[NightWatcher]

20. Sorry that you are hurt, but lashing out helps no one

If you hate those repukes in office volunteer to help their democratic rivals and vote them out.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. Collective punishments never are a good idea.

Take it from me, I voted in the 2008 Florida primaries.

I will, however, be buying American my next car.

[Bake]

63. Exhibit A: Your collective punishment of The Lounge!

:rofl:

Bake

[Tommy_Carcetti]

74. I think GD shudders at the thought of Operations Creed and Nickleback.

:P

[michreject]

22. If no one is buying anything or going anywhere

how is a boycott going to be effective?

[mwb970]

23. Tourist dollars! You named five states I would never visit.

I'll never forget when two buddies of mine drove from Ohio to Florida in the 70s. They said the drive was fine except for South Carolina, which they described as hopelessly backward and even scary. My assumption is that it (and the others you named) are the same or worse today.

When I think "American vacation" I think Maine or Michigan myself.

[sweetpotato]

34. You're missing out because of your stereotyping

My state is lovely, has some beautiful vacation spots and not everyone is ignorant and backwards. Most of the folks are quite polite, unless looked down upon and talked down to. A southern accent does not always equal a low IQ.

I'm from SC, by the way.

[raccoon]

39. From another from SC---thank you. nt

[mwb970]

40. I admit, I do have a bad impression of southern states.

I also admit I haven't actually been to any of those states, except Kentucky, where I visited Henry Clay's estate near Lexington. (I don't remember any problems on that trip.) So yes, I am stereotyping to some degree.

Now, you must admit that at least the politics of some of the people in these states tends to be questionable, no matter how nice they are regarding other matters (which I don't doubt). Otherwise, where would the stereotype come from? There's no stereotype of Maine as "backward", for example, but there surely is one for Mississippi. Or am I wrong?

[sweetpotato]

59. I always thought Maine residents were old and set in their ways

You know - the stereotypical old coot yankee man who only says *yup* or *nope* when asked a question. Quiet, no-nonsense people who look askance at *book-learnin* and fancy city folks.

So see, there IS a stereoptype for people from Maine. And it incorrectly describes actual people from Maine. (I've been there a few times and spent an entire summer there when I was a teenager)

I can freely admit that the politics of SOME the people from my state are questionable. For some reason - whether it be racism, knee jerk party loyalty, or just laziness (those who vote on name recognition only) - my fellow citizens continue to vote for the same people who have made bad governing decisions for years.

I believe I was first responding to your being warned that South Carolina should be avoided at all costs on your trip from Ohio to Florida and the politics of the state have very little to do with the way visitors are treated. By limiting yourself to NEVER visiting my state, you are missing out on some nice vacation spots. I just think your friend who warned you about us was wrong.

As for where stereotypes come from? I'd say that the stereotypes about southerners come from the media, especially television and movies. Think about southerners depicted on tv shows - they are almost always backwards and stupid.

[mwb970]

104. Some stereotypes stem from actual events, though, no?

I agree with your points and acknowledge that my brush (as well as my friend's) is probably too broad. But stories like the recent one about these proposed SC license plates only serve to reinforce my bad impression:



Do people there simply not believe in the separation of church and state? Is this a place I could visit or live in and still feel comfortable with the people around me? I honestly don't know.

(The full license-plate post from Crooks and Liars is here.)

[Kalyke]

85. And so is the guy in your avatar.

:hi:

[QC]

44. So we have one less self-important twit to deal with.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's not.

[mwb970]

53. So it's win-win!

:)

[Big Blue Marble]

65. How "hopelessly backward" of you

to ignorantly blow off such a wide swath of our country. Many millions of
us who live in these states are neither backward or scary. There are many beautiful
and interesting places to visit in each of these states.

The OP's boycott suggestion is hopelessly simplistic. It is I assume, a reactive
response to the stupidity of the southern senators who voted against the auto bill and
nothing more.

I do not understand how an economic boycot, putting people out of work in these states
would be less harmful to our vulnerable economy now than putting autoworkers out of work
would be. We need to support each other now and come together as a country.

[yardwork]

67. Doesn't Maine have a Republican senator? How did she vote on this?

[dems_rightnow]

25. Anyone who assumes

.... that a state is all red is kind of..... silly. Those states pretty much went 40% or more for Obama, save 1. Not to mention the silliness of trying to organize a boycott of entire states.

[rosesaylavee]

26. Even if everybody did as you ask re this boycott,

I don't think it would have the results you intend. I agree the senators from many of those states are shits, but why punish the people of those states? And do you really think that if their state economies are adversely effected, that it wouldn't in turn hurt yours?

I think an email/phone campaign to their local and DC offices may be more immediately effective. Even though they are Republican, being inundated with criticisms can change the actions of some of them.

[Orsino]

29. I think it quite appropriate to punish residents of those states...

...who might eventually stop installing fucking crooks in Congress.

It'll be hard for me to boycott Georgia, but knock yourselves out.

[we can do it]

49. Why Not - Your Idiot Senators Are Punishing Our States?

[Orsino]

58. Yeah.

That way lies secession, but how the heck else are we to register our disapproval, when money is all they listen to?

[rosesaylavee]

77. Ok. But consider this.

My district here in Illinois brought the world Dennis Hastert. We here tried for YEARS to get someone to run against him that could beat him. Finally, just this year we managed to get that to happen and elected Bill Foster as our rep.

Would you have blackballed us all those years too just because we were represented by a scum bag? That would have made the situation all the more disheartening - and would have very likely galvanized his supporters and the next Republican candidate they threw up (literally for anyone who knows Olberweis).

I think working with the DEMs in those states is the more productive way.

[Orsino]

79. Congressional districts are mighty granular...

...but yeah, I would have avoided products and services that I knew came from the district of a pig like Hastert. He and you, of course, would never have noticed. :D

Money's what they worship, so money must be part of our response.

[rosesaylavee]

97. Yeah, well now that you mention it...

I didn't spend any money here for all those years either. :)

I don't think Hastert would have noticed what his constiuents were suffering from... only those who supported him and fundraised for him and they weren't the lowly schmoes like me and my kind.

I am sooooooo very grateful for Bill Foster and am looking forward to watching him work in Washington almost as much as PE Obama. This is a good Christmas for District 14 Illinois.

[rosesaylavee]

78. Ok. But consider this.

My district here in Illinois brought the world Dennis Hastert. We here tried for YEARS to get someone to run against him that could beat him. Finally, just this year we managed to get that to happen and elected Bill Foster as our rep.

Would you have blackballed us all those years too just because we were represented by a scum bag? That would have made the situation all the more disheartening - and would have very likely galvanized his supporters and the next Republican candidate they threw up (literally for anyone who knows Olberweis).

I think working with the DEMs in those states is the more productive way.

[NoPasaran]

96. What about the residents of Illinois

Who keep installing fucking crooks in the Governor's office?

Repeatedly?

[WillyT]

28. Big K & R !!!

:mad:

:kick:

[Postman]

30. Those southern state Senators and Reps are Treasonous if you ask me...

But it all comes down to class war.

At the heart of it, they are anti-workers rights, pro-slave wages, hire and fire at will with no cause. If they can't have slavery, then they want the next step up from it.

They don't want workers to have democracy in the workplace - aka Unions -

Even after all is said and done, it still comes down to the dumbf**ks in the South continuously voting for these knuckle dragging, racist fools....

[eShirl]

32. "If they can't have slavery, then they want the next step up from it."

You're certainly not the only one left with that impression.

[CBGLuthier]

31. Hmmm... No

I live in one of those states. I sell online.

I think this is a really stupid fucking idea. I want to thank you personally for wishing economic ruin upon me.

Thanks for tearing this country apart. You are really one swell fucking person who has all the answers

I drive an american car. Two of them in fact. So fuck you, your stupid fucking idea and your unskilled fucking relatives.

[mwb970]

56. Your vocabulary is underwhelming.

I'm always suspicious of opinions (or in this case, insults) that require constant repetition of the F-word. It says so much more about you than the person you are talking about.

I'm just sayin'.

[Chipper Chat]

80. He should be very afraid...of my "unskilled relatives"

especially since they will be out of a job soon.

[lostnfound]

33. So what next, a 45 state strategy??

I'm as disgusted as you are with the senators from those states, but you buy yourself nothing with this.

It's not effective and will only be used to divide ordinary people from ordinary people.

[JNelson6563]

35. They long for the good ol' days

When the "darkies" work for nothin'.

Bastards all.

Julie

Disclaimer: I mean the pols in question, not all the people in those states.

[L0oniX]

37. A full scale revolution is what is needed to change this criminal and incompetent government.

[BR_Parkway]

38. Hey, we busted our butt to turn NC blue, kick out Dole and we are

still the only southern state not to pass one of those horrible "one man/one woman" amendments.

Boycott the rest all you want, but don't forget about us - we're making progress here and may be the last southern state left that could be the model of what our neighbors should aspire to. Come, shop, vacation, spend money. Make us a beacon of prosperity so we can rub our neighbors noses in it.

Then we'll turn them Blue as well!

[gollygee]

41. Allow me to put a call out to the Indianopolis Children's Museum

My daughter had more fun there than Disney. I'm serious. That place rocks!

OH and it's a LOT cheaper. We stayed at a water park in the area, then went the next day to the Children's museum, and almost should have stayed another day at the museum. It was, compared to most vacations, a HUGE bargain and a favorite with the kid.

[depakid]

42. Would be better to play a bit of realpolitik

Representatives in DC who choose to vote against everyones' interests based on ideology or outmoded and rejected politics lose their appropriations, and get ushered back to the end of the line.

If there's something left- as we rebuild the economy, maybe those representatives- maybe those states will get a little something.

But not before.

[road2000]

43. Did you send any money to ditch these shits?

Did you do anything to help Bruce Lunsford's campaign in Kentucky to unseat McConnell? Many of us did.

From the state with that little ole piece o' nothing, the Derby. And Lincoln's birthplace.

[Kalyke]

90. Actually, DU hated Harold Ford Jr. as much as they did Bob Corker.

So, no, no one helped us from DU.

I'd still rather have Ford as Porker. I'd rather have someone I agree with 75 percent of the time than never.

[QC]

113. Nobody hates Democrats like the folks at DU. n/t

[Better Believe It]

45. It Won't Happen And It Won't Hurt The Democrats/Republicans Responsible ....

for the destruction of the domestic auto industry.

[lame54]

48. Can't do it - I live and work in Georgia...

but I am ashamed of my representation

[Virginia Dare]

70. Boycotting yourself would get a little tricky I suppose...n/t

[harun]

50. I thought they blocked a vote on it, not voted against it?

[spanone]

51. add tennessee to that list

[blue_onyx]

52. This would be easy for me

I had no intention of visiting these states anyway.

[tabbycat31]

54. I'm for it

except that Detroit has a long ways to go before they will win me back as a customer. Make a safe compact that will last over 200K miles, and has a track record of reliability, and I'll consider Detroit again.

I'm driving a 10 yo secondhand Subaru and love it so much that i've decided to stick to the brand. I think their American plant is i (now blue) Indiana IIRC. Plus it's a zero-emmissions plant.

Of the states to boycott, I've been to one, and driven through another. I really have no desire to go to the south because I know I'd be an outsider there.

[Joanne98]

55. I'm with you! They are traitors! Off with their heads!

[PVnRT]

57. Maybe we should boycott California for passing anti-gay Prop 8

Oh, wait, I forgot, California is holy and inviolate. That would just be mean!

Great idea, though. Nothing will make these heathens see the Light and the Way like further driving a wedge between you and them. Surely, they will start voting those Senators out soon!

[blue_onyx]

61. If you add all the states that also passed gay marriage bans

and add the states that would pass the ban but just haven't voted on it, there wouldn't be many states to live in or visit.

[Hamlette]

60. take on Utah, both our Senators voted no plus you can boycott prop 8 at the same time!

[aikoaiko]

64. I think not.

[Virginia Dare]

69. Fuck that, call out the troops!

where's ole Abe when you need him?...:evilgrin:

[akwapez]

71. Sure, base your boyoctt on geography, that makes sense

Don't order from my Tennessee based company. That takes money out of MY pocket that now cannot be donated to Corker's and Alexander's next opponents. Yes, everyone buy from YOUR state and don't bother looking at the specifics of who you are doing business with.

:crazy:

[Dappleganger]

72. This entire thread makes no sense to me...

what we should be doing is throwing POSITIVE energy into booting those assholes out of office by putting in representation of the PEOPLE. We need to bring these elections back to the grassroots of our suffering communities.

'Punishing' states by refusing to buy their products is only going to hurt ourselves in the long run. That's cutting off our nose to spite our face, and in this economic disaster we cannot afford to do that. We need to make sure our anger remains righteous and productive for *everyone*.

[GrizzlyMan]

89. It makes no sense because you're not a mouth breather

Like the OP.

[Chipper Chat]

98. You don't give up, do you.

If you posted something original I would never treat you (or any other DUer) with the disrespect and nasty language you have heaped on me here. Merry Christmas.

[4_TN_TITANS]

73. Boycott away...

The people in this state need to feel some of the pain that the rest of the country is feeling so they will quit voting for useless Repubs. Thank God we've had Bredesen as governor or TN would have swirled the bowl long ago. I can always count on my neighbors - to be hoodwinked into voting against their own interests.

[specimenfred1984]

82. But, but it's not the South who regularly elects those traitors

Nahhhhhhhhhhh, it couldn't be!

[Uncle Joe]

94. If you believe the entire South elected those traitors, then by logical extension

you must believe the entire United States elected George W. Bush to the Presidency.

[nichomachus]

87. I've decided to boycott them all

I've been busy downloading immigration forms for countries where sane people are in the majority.

[Lifetimedem]

88. I am onboard

[southernyankeebelle]

92. Interesting

However, not all people in the south agree with the senators that voted against the big 3. I already buy american cars. I have relatives from MI that have lost jobs with the car companies already. I think what should be done is have a really big demostration in front of the capital building with ALL the unions across the country sending union workers and supporters. Now is the time that ALL unions stick together. If one union goes down they all will go down. Look what happen to the unions in the south. Unions are were the middle class wages are. Come you union organizers its up to you all to bring people together.

[deaniac21]

93. Boycott, Girlcott, EIEIO!

[Seen the light]

95. Possibly the dumbest thread I've ever seen on DU

And that's saying something.

[GOPisEvil]

99. You're from Indiana, and you dare post this?

Let's just say there are exactly ZERO ideologically pure states and leave it at that.

[sarcasmo]

101. Kick, back to the top. I was told by a trucking company today, "come back the third week of Januar

we can" use you if GM keeps going " These assholes screwed me today.

[TankLV]

103. Hey - you'll receive NO opposition from me! I support this 100%

[DemBones DemBones]

109. You seem to forget that everyone in those states did not vote for those

senators. Move to a red state if you want to do something useful.

This boycott idea reminds me of the city of Des Moines destroying the huts of homeless people this week -- it's a cruel way to punish people for their misfortunes.

All the states you named have a lot of poor people and they'll be the ones hurt by a boycott, not the fat cat senators or the bosses. I believe they are all "right to work" states, meaning "Just try and start a union here." Workers have been subjected to anti-union propaganda for decades and don't know their rights in this area. So move to a red state and work as a labor organizer.

[Chipper Chat]

112. May have to.

GM today announced 300 jobs will be cut at local plant.
"Oh the neck bone connected to the.....noose bone."

[a la izquierda]

111. I hate my senators...

but I can't boycott my adopted home state. It sickens me, and my liberal posse (heeheehee), that this is happening.

[Geek_Girl]

115. I have a better Idea write Oped pieces to major news papers in those states

Expressing your views. You can boycott all you want it won't help. People here will continue to live in a bubble. They need to be exposed more to varying views and opinions and be made to see what their actions sow.

Folks here in the south are decent people they just live in a cultural bubble.

[MadHound]

116. So you want to punish all the people in these states for what their senators did?

That's really not a good strategy, and frankly one that can come back and bite you in the ass. After all, you live in Indiana, and your state, your senators aren't ideologically pure, not by a long shot.

Rather than alienating people of these states, we should be reaching out across geographic and cultural boundaries in order to for a solidarity based on class, not promoting further divisive bullshit like this.

Sorry, but there are no red states or blue states, we're all purple states, we're all the United States. If you want to punish the ones responsible, punish the Senators themselves next time they're up for re-election. Punishing the people of an entire region is stupid and divisive, and in the long run it will cause more harm than good.

I will not participate in your boycott, there are many wonderful places to visit in those states. There are also companies that I do regular business with in those states. So please, go be divisive out there on your own.

[undeterred]

117. Who vacations in Alabama and Oklahoma?

[Uncle Joe]

118. Perdido Beach Alabama is a great place to visit.

It's just a hop skip and a jump from Panama City, Florida.

But if you go don't take Senator Shelby with you, he's an asshole.

[datasuspect]

119. there's a lot to be said for christian and top 40 country stations all over the FM band

i'm just an okie from muskogee.

[QC]

120. Lots of people from Wisconsin come down to the Gulf Coast in the winter.

You see them everywhere around here, driving 25 mph in the left lane, braying at one another with their chainsaw voices, treating the locals like servants, leaving quarter tips, etc.

[tuckessee]

121. What about GM plants in those states?

How are you going to square that? You want to shut down the Corvette Plant in Kentucky?

Fucking loudmouth asshole idiots. Always trying to sow regional, class & sectarian dissention.

Grow up or get a clue, whichever is necessary in your case.

[Chipper Chat]

127. Thank you. You are so kind.

I really appreciate the civil responses to any DU who wants to express their feelings and not insult fellow posters.
And by the way, Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning would like nothing better than to see that Corvette plant die.

[TulsaArtist]

122. Punish the people of Tulsa?

Thanks a lot. I for one, and I believe my local senator can as well, understand what it means to "this Kokomo Indiana farmboy with 12 extended family members who work for GM." Tulsa is a relatively small city. I bet you didnt know that around the 2002 time period there was about an 18 month period when we lost about 30,000 jobs here. Never made the national news. Didnt see people asking for a government bailout. We had a major oil bust in the 80s that cripled this city. Once the oil capitol of the world, much like Detroit was the car capitol. We tried to diversify, went into telecom and air. Then around 2002 most of the last of our big oil companies left, one after another. Every month or so you would hear about another headquarters or major company leaving. On top of that our bets on telecom fell through and more companies, big and small, went under, and on top of that the aviation industry hit a big slump. IT was TOUGH here. Many people lost everything. But ya know what, we buckled down, worked hard, diversified even more, invested in education, kept plugging away. In just a few short years we have gained every job back, though mostly different jobs, and now have even more than we had before.

One other thing. I by a long shot do not agree with the Republican senators here on most things and the conservative attitudes here. But over the last decade or so we have watched other parts of the country boom. Other cities getting nice new highrises, neat urban living, social services, all kinds of flashy fancy stuff. While "hum drum" Tulsa was left to pick itself up and keep on keeping on. We didnt borrow lots of money, didnt have a housing or building boom, got very little "pork" of any sort, tried to keep the national and state debt down, have some of the lowest over all tax burdens in the country. etc. We were frugal....

And ya know what. It worked. We have turned things around, were starting to grow quite nicely, have begun to see our urban cores revitalize. Incomes are up in the area, housing values are STILL up, foreclosures are low, jobs are growing. And now we are being asked to chip in for other areas of the country who blew through their money, borrowed too much, lived beyond their means, stole many of our companies while they were living it up,(there are no foreign car manufacturers in Tulsa btw).

We should be able to voice our opinions, and not have others say we should be punished for it. We shouldnt be forced to do something through threat of punishment that we may not agree with. Democracy is about different opinions. The republican experiment of allowing states to do much of their own thing. is also about looking at the results the different states end up with pertaining to the choices they make. Some work, some dont. You can then see what works and what doesnt and make choices from those different experiments. If our industries fail, then we believe its, fail they must. No matter how painful, we believe its better in the long run. Sorry you dont like our ideas. Argue your case against our ideas,,, fine. Punish people for their ideas and beliefs? , well thats just another idea I do not think is right. We will not punish you for that idea. We will fairly argue against it and state our reasons. Let there be a clash of ideas, not a stifling of them.

[Chipper Chat]

126. I was wrong to use Tulsa as a target.

I love Tulsa. My best friend lives there. I've visited its museums esp. to see the artwork of Frederick Remington. Maybe I should have said Muskogee. The action of the southern senators (I do NOT love your 2 however!) was disgusting and so anti-American. I was not the only DUer who lashed out at Shelby, Vitter & co. last week. I've cooled off somewhat.
Your post was one of reason and I read it 3 times.
:toast:
Oh, and welcome to DU.