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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:44 PM
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Specter: Investgate Holder Role in defending Murderers in South America
Source: CNN

Senator Specter wants to hold off on Holder nomination hearing to look into the pardon of Rich at the end of the Clinton Administration. Senator Spector ought to also look into Holder's role in defending Chiquita Bananas in a civil case involving the company's admission that it supported paramilitary murderers in Columbia, South America. From Wikipedia:

In 2004, Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a group on the U.S. government's list of terrorist organizations.<16><17> In the agreement, Chiquita's officials pleaded guilty and paid a fine of $25 million. Holder represented Chiquita in the civil action that grew out of this criminal case.<17>



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:48 PM
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1. I believe his 'role' was lawyer. Doesn't mean he liked what he was doing. nt
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:49 PM
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3. just took the money and defended death squads...
Thanks you Arlen...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:52 PM
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4. try reading the OP. Arlen is not suggesting that Holder be
investigated for representing- not defending- Chiquita. That's the dishonest OP who completely made up this post that purportedly comes from CNN. It obviously doesn't.
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:29 PM
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13. Found on TPM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/leahy_and_specter_at_odds_over.php

I also heard this on CNN. But, what is more important getting the precise wording in the Subject Line correct, leaving out a letter in a word posted, or the facts of the matter. The NEWS Story is that Specter wants to look into Holder's role in the Rich pardon. I suggest he also look into Holder's role in defending death squads. This is actuall far more important than the Rich case. Will the prospective new Attorney General loom the other way and write legal briefs to defend torture. Must we continue with this support of facism. NOT IN OUR NAME! NEVER AGAIN!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:42 PM
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14. Your post is completely bogus. Go read the rules for posting in this forum.
You made it sound like this was something Specter said. That's just dishonest. And sorry, honesty is important. You want to write a post about Holder representing Chiquita, fine. Don't misrepresent it and don't post it in breaking news.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:57 AM
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18. looks to me like the OP is asking for Specter
to investigate. the only one being dishonest in this thread is you in your attempt to white-wash Holder's actions and belief in fairy stories and his willingness to pesecute people based on those fairy stories.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:49 PM
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2. uh, your title makes it appear as if Specter
wants to investigate Holder's representation of Chiquita. And OP doesn't sound as if it's from CNN. Are those your words or are you quoting. Oh yeah, and it's investigate not investgate.

This post doesn't belong in breaking.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:55 PM
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5. Doesn't Specter know that lawyers have a duty to provide a defense
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 09:02 PM by JDPriestly
to people who need a defense. As long as Holder was honest in his representation, he was doing a job that should be respected regardless of his client.

As long as Holder was ethical in his representation and did not, himself, commit wrongs, he was doing his job. Specter is just trying to start partisan attacks on Holder. How low can Specter stoop?

John Adams set the standard for this when he represented British soldiers.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/35206res20080508.html

It is hard for non-lawyers to understand that everyone is entitled to a defense. That is true in civil courts as well as in criminal courts. In criminal courts we have public defenders. The poor are usually at the mercy of the court and the opposing attorney when sued in a civil court. This is very unfair. Every defendant should be entitled to a lawyer.

This line of questioning can only be very limited since as Specter knows, Holder will be barred by the attorney client privilege from answering very many questions about his representation of his clients. This is an unfair line of questioning. Specter should be reminded of the limits on an attorney's ability to discuss his or her clients.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:57 PM
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6. A lot of people are concerned about Holder's connection to Chiquita, formerly United Fruit Company.
That company has created horrendous suffering, death, grief throughout Central and South America for many decades.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:01 PM
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7. Was it his firm?
or a firm he worked for?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:05 PM
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8. Do you imagine Holder owned a firm which controlled Guatemala in the 1950's and forced the overthrow
of President Arbenz in a bloody incursion by the U.S. to preserve United Fruit's power?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:14 PM
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11.  Let me re-phrase...
The defense that Eric Holder was hired for...was it his firm that was contracted, or was it a firm he worked for? Not that it would make any difference, but I was interested. Thank you so much for your illuminating response but it didn't really address my question.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:11 PM
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10. Refresher on the Chiquita Banana company, or formerly the United Fruit Company:
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 09:12 PM by Judi Lynn
Banana Kings
By Emily Biuso
This article appeared in the March 17, 2008 edition of The Nation.

The banana is the most popular fruit in the country, and apparently the most popular fruit among publishers this year. Two new books detail the history of the fruit itself and the torrid past of the banana industry, which is dominated by the ubiquitous, oppressive United Fruit Company. With similarly ambitious titles--Bananas: How the United Fruit Company Shaped the World and Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World--the books promise not a dull, compulsory soup-to-nuts account of the subject but a tale of corporate skulduggery, an irreversible lesson in agricultural folly and a musing on the banana's place on our collective palate. A reader may be forgiven for wondering whether the story of a simple, unassuming fruit could provide such intrigue. Have Peter Chapman and Dan Koeppel bitten off more than they can chew? No, for as both authors demonstrate with convincing arguments, the impact of United Fruit's banana on multinational corporate malfeasance, current agricultural practices and food consumption patterns is no small, sweet-smelling thing.

Chapman's scope is narrower and more direct than Koeppel's. A British reporter who has been following United Fruit since the 1970s, when he wrote his thesis on the company at the University of Sussex, Chapman has written an impressive indictment of a deeply flawed corporation. And there's no shortage of material here; United Fruit (known now as Chiquita) was truly a terrorizing company--a kind of Halliburton, McDonald's, Nike and Archer Daniels Midland all rolled into one. United Fruit set the precedent for the propaganda, exploitation and imperialism of modern-day corporate plunderers.

In many ways, United Fruit was the original agribusiness--if an accidental one. The seeds of the company began with Minor Keith, a young Brooklyn entrepreneur who ventured into the Costa Rican jungle in the 1870s to build a national railroad. The project cost more than 5,000 workers their lives but birthed a successful side business. In cleared areas of the jungle Keith planted banana cuttings to sell to the workers and eventually to an American schooner captain who hooked him up with Andrew Preston, the Boston importer with whom he would officially launch United Fruit in 1899. Their timing was good, as Americans were beginning a love affair with the exotic fruit that seemed the quintessence of upper-class privilege.

United Fruit was not the first company to introduce the banana to Americans, but it was the most successful in making it widely available. As the American appetite for the fruit grew, so too did the corporation's appetite for market dominance. Pursuing profits and fleeing diseases afflicting their crops, the United Fruit men skipped from one country to the next in Central and South America, perfecting their pattern: strong-arm their way in; destroy natural habitat to make way for banana plantations; enslave the native population in low-wage, dangerous servitude; suppress labor movements; watch their banana crops fall prey to blight; spray the groves with toxic pesticides that also poisoned the workforce; and, when spraying failed, abandon the land for greener pastures on which to inflict their "progress." This explains why countries in the region came to be known as "banana republics," a term first coined by O. Henry in his 1904 novel Cabbages and Kings. The behavior also earned the company an enduring nickname: El Pulpo--the octopus. And no wonder: By the late 1920s, United Fruit was an international conglomerate, outstretched tentacles everywhere. The company owned 1.6 million acres of land, employed 67,000 workers and did business in thirty-two countries. It was worth more than $100 million and would stop at nothing to keep business humming.

The company played a major role in fomenting political unrest in countries whose policies didn't favor its bottom line. These included the 1910 coup in Honduras orchestrated by Sam Zemurray, future president of United Fruit, and the 1954 overthrow of the Guatemalan ruling government, encouraged by the corporation and carried out by the CIA. Capitalizing on the anticommunist hysteria of the day, the corporation lobbied the US government and the United Nations to oust Jacobo Arbenz, the country's president, after he expropriated its plantations as part of a vast land-reform effort. The Guatemalan coup, dubbed Operation Success, left more than 200,000 Guatemalans dead.

United Fruit's brutal tactics extended, naturally, to labor issues. Low wages and dangerous working conditions were the norm, and any attempt by the workers to assert their rights was met with harsh consequences. In 1928 thousands of striking United Fruit workers in Colombia gathered in a town square to call for a six-day week, an eight-hour day, free medical treatment and wages paid in cash rather than scrip redeemable only at the company store. Government troops were called into the square to protect US interests, and after giving a five-minute warning, the Colombian military fired on the crowd with machine guns. The strike was broken and the massacre covered up. No one knows how many were killed that day--it's widely believed that the bodies were buried in the forest or dumped in the sea--but a United Fruit estimate (likely low) put fatalities at more than 1,000. Gabriel García Márquez drew on the event in his 1967 novel One Hundred Years of Solitude.

More:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/biuso
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:45 PM
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16. I know I am.
NT!

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:07 PM
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9. This is a bogus news story. The OP pulled it out of his.... whatever
Specter is NOT suggesting that Holder's representation of Chiquita. My guess is that CNN's story is about Specter wanting to investigate Holder's role in the Rich pardon.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:16 PM
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12. UPI has carried part of your story, anyway!
Specter wants Holder's confirmation slowed
Published: Dec. 10, 2008 at 7:43 PMOrder reprints | Feedback
WASHINGTON, Dec. 10 (UPI) -- U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, the ranking Republican member of the Judiciary Committee, says he wants to slow the confirmation of Eric Holder for attorney general.

The Pennsylvania Republican said he has concerns about Holder's role in the 2001 pardon of financier Marc Rich, The Hill reported Wednesday.

Previously this week, Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said he would like Holder, the deputy attorney general during the Clinton administration, confirmed by the time President-elect Barack Obama takes office Jan. 20.

However, Specter said starting the hearings before Jan. 26 is "not realistic or fair." Specter said he had not drawn conclusions about Holder's nomination, the newspaper reported.

"There are questions which have to be inquired," Specter was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

The Hill reported that Specter met with Holder privately Monday.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/10/Specter_wants_Holders_confirmation_slowed/UPI-55921228956217/
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:45 PM
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15. Rules for posting LBN threads:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:33 PM
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17. Colombia: survivors remember "Massacre of the Bananeras" (Chiquita/United Fruit Co.)
Colombia: survivors remember "Massacre of the Bananeras"
Submitted by WW4 Report on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 18:35.

Unions and social organizations held a commemoration Dec. 6 in Ciénaga, in the Colombian Caribbean coast department of Magdalena, marking the anniversary of the 1928 "Masacre de las Bananeras," carried out by the army against hundreds of striking workers of the United Fruit Company. Hundreds gathered in what is now called Plaza of the Martyrs to hear speeches and testimony from aging survivors of the massacre. Up to a thousand were killed by some estimates when the army surrounded and opened fire on a union rally in Ciénaga's central plaza in the midst of a strike over collective bargaining rights—although the official death toll was put at nine. (Radio Caracol, Dec. 6)

Chiquita Brands, successor company to the United Fruit Co., is currently mired in a scandal over collaboration with Colombia's right-wing paramilitaries. The company is accused of paying the paramilitaries up to $1.7 million, as well as directly providing weapons, over the past seven years. During this period, some 4,000 residents of Colombia's northern banan-producing regions have been killed by the paras.

http://ww4report.com/node/6500
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:01 AM
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19. This got moved from LBN. It's no more honest now than it was
when posted there.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:17 AM
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20. Tell him to start investigations re Kissenger in Argentina
They found some more of his bodies in Argentina yesterday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7774984.stm
<snip>
The remains of hundreds of people killed during Argentina's military dictatorship about 30 years ago have been found in a pit.

The thousands of bone fragments were found at a former detention centre.

Investigators say the discovery proves that the authorities tortured, killed and burned the bodies of their political opponents.

Human rights groups and survivors have made such allegations but the military deny them.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:55 AM
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21. Get him while he's still living. He needs to be here to learn how much many of us appreciate him for
conducting blood-thirsty, filthy, completely dishonest business on our tax-dollars, behind our backs. The bastard became a blood-feasting zombie, power mad monster, ghoulish, smelly, treacherous sadist. Geez, that could have been John Negroponte, and many other Republicans, too, couldn't it?
Kissinger approved Argentinian 'dirty war'
Declassified US files expose 1970s backing for junta
Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles guardian.co.uk, Saturday December 6 2003 02.20 GMT


Henry Kissinger gave his approval to the "dirty war" in Argentina in the 1970s in which up to 30,000 people were killed, according to newly declassified US state department documents.
Mr Kissinger, who was America's secretary of state, is shown to have urged the Argentinian military regime to act before the US Congress resumed session, and told it that Washington would not cause it "unnecessary difficulties".

The revelations are likely to further damage Mr Kissinger's reputation. He has already been implicated in war crimes committed during his term in office, notably in connection with the 1973 Chilean coup.

The material, obtained by the Washington-based National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act, consists of two memorandums of conversations that took place in October 1976 with the visiting Argentinian foreign minister, Admiral César Augusto Guzzetti. At the time the US Congress, concerned about allegations of widespread human rights abuses, was poised to approve sanctions against the military regime.

According to a verbatim transcript of a meeting on October 7 1976, Mr Kissinger reassured the foreign minister that he had US backing in whatever he did.
More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/06/argentina.usa

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Pity there are some failed people among us who imagine that since there hasn't been any country big and powerful enough to keep our right-wing, mass murdering self-obsessed clowns from throwing their nasty weight around, we get to run right over everyone else. The only way you can get them to not molest entire countries is to overwhelm them, one way or another, apparently, since they have no natural dignity of their own, no respect for themselves or other people.

Here to the hope we are on the very outer edge of a brand new world, and way of living. God knows it took long enough getting here.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:03 AM
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22. Thanks, Riverman for sharing what was related on CNN. Here's a conversation
some of us tried to have on Holder last month:
Chiquita death squad attorney Eric Holder floated for U.S. Attorney General!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x9608

I hate Eric "Chiquita Death Squad" Holder as much as the next liberal, but I'll give him a chance.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7891590
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