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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 11:49 PM
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E. Howard Hunt's deathbed video revelation on JFK - How will lone-gunman advocates spin it?
In a videotaped testament, CIA agent, Bay of Pigs veteran and Watergate "plumber" E. Howard Hunt, long suspected of involvement in JFK assassination, cops to knowledge of CIA plot to kill JFK in 1963 - draws organizational chart for his sons - keeps his last fig leaf by claiming he declined offer of participation - tries to shift the blame to Lyndon Johnson.

Roughly: "I wasn't involved, but if I was, here's what I might have known..." Shades of OJ Simpson's "If I Did It..."!

The lone-gunman crew (Posner, McAdams et al.) are no doubt preparing some major counter-spin about how the old man was totally senile and only imagined he was involved in the plot to kill Kennedy (as researchers have maintained for decades), and how his sons are just profit-seeking drug consumers, etc.

But I'd like to see that videotape first!

LA TIMES FEED AT
http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-na-hunt20mar20,0,7304061.story?coll=cl-books-util

March 20, 2007

Watergate plotter may have a last tale
Two of E. Howard Hunt's sons say he knew of rogue CIA agents' plan to kill President Kennedy in 1963.

By Carol J. Williams, Times Staff Writer

(...)

But before his death at age 88 in January, E. Howard Hunt had reconciled with his children and left the sons one last tantalizing story, they say. The story, which he planned to detail in a memoir and could be worth big money — was that rogue CIA agents plotted to kill President Kennedy in 1963, and that they approached Hunt to join the plot but he declined.

(...)

St. John (NOTE: Hunt's son) says it was he who suggested the idea of a memoir when he convinced his father that it was time to reveal anything he knew about the Kennedy assassination. It had always been suspected that Hunt shared his Cuban exile friends' hatred of Kennedy, who refused to provide air cover to rescue the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion that Hunt helped organize. "He told me in no uncertain terms about a plot originating in Miami, to take place in Miami," said St. John. He said his father identified key players and speculated that then-Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was responsible for moving the venue to Dallas, where the Texan could control the security scene.

But the memoir's published passages about the assassination have an equivocal tone. Hunt provides only a hypothetical scenario of how events in Dallas might have unfolded, with Johnson atop a pyramid of rogue CIA plotters. The brothers insist their father related to them a detailed plot to assassinate Kennedy. Hunt told them he was approached by the conspirators to join them but declined, they say. That information was cut from the memoir, the brothers say, because Hunt's attorney warned he could face perjury charges if he recanted sworn testimony. Hunt also had assured Laura before they married in 1977 that he had nothing to do with the assassination. St. John said he respected his father's wishes while he was alive but felt no obligation now. He is writing a script about his father, and David is shopping for a publisher for their father's account of CIA involvement in the Kennedy shooting.

Despite the brothers' efforts, their father's role will probably never be known. The materials they offer to substantiate their story, examined by the Los Angeles Times, are inconclusive. Hunt answers questions on a videotape using speculative phrases, observing that various named figures were "possibly" involved. A chart Hunt sketched during one conversation with St. John shows the same rogue CIA operation he describes in the memoir. None of the accounts provides evidence to convincingly validate that their father disclosed anything revelatory. (NOTE: What in Sam Hill would qualify as "revelatory"?!)

Hunt's widow and her two children, 27-year-old Austin and 23-year-old Hollis, dismiss the brothers' story, saying it is the result of coaching an old man whose lucidity waxed and waned in his final months. Kevan bitterly accuses her brothers of "elder abuse," saying they pressured their father for dramatic scenarios for their own financial gain. Hunt's longtime lawyer, Bill Snyder, says: "Howard was just speculating. He had no hard evidence."

St. John (...) has a more personal reason to believe in his father's disclosures. He said he was instructed by Hunt in 1974 to back up an alibi for his whereabouts on the day Kennedy died, 11 years earlier. "I did a lot of lying for my father in those days," St. John said.

The brothers, who both possess Hunt's piercing pale-blue eyes, concede they would like to profit from their father's story but insist he meant them to. "My father died utterly unapologetic about anything he did," David said. "People do that kind of thing all the time," St. John said of the prospect of making money from his father's deeds. Nor does he think the story will reflect badly on their father. "I don't think it was terrible that he was approached and turned them down." That Hunt, a skilled obfuscator, might have left contradictory accounts of the Kennedy plot to protect friends and preserve the mystery is not lost on his sons. "That's the way spies are," David says with a wry smile, remembering a father he never really knew. "They lead double lives and maintain cover."
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 11:59 PM
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1. Don't just recommend, people - kick! n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:07 AM
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3. Will do.
Kick!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:07 AM
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4. Sorry - dupe.
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 12:08 AM by calimary
Kick! Oh what the hell. Yes. KICK.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:31 PM
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 03:30 PM
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82. Significance of EO 11110 is a myth.
http://www.realityzone.com/creatup.html

Kennedy did not challenge the Federal Reserve, this is a myth according to the Fed's most persistent and scholarly enemy. JFK was preparing to exit from Vietnam, however, just as the escalation was being prepared.

Please don't stink up a good thread with links to rense, which I believe are also against the DU rules. Thank you.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 12:17 AM
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104. Bankers and conspiracies are like young lovers...always hand in hand.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:19 AM
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118. I like it...
:thumbsup:
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:03 AM
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2. Could this possibly be true?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:12 AM
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6. Which part of it?
That Hunt delivered this statement on video? That the LA Times reported on it? Or that JFK was publicly executed by a conspiracy of CIA and Pentagon men who hated his guts?
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:27 AM
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14. Should bush be careful while in Texas?
Didn't bush blame CIA and the Pentagon (military) for the bad intel on the war and how the war was planned/designed? bush claimed to rely on all those people for planning the war. (sarcasm)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:53 AM
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42. Unlike Kennedy, I doubt Bush has any illusion...
that he is actually the president and empowered to make decisions on his own. Those in the status quo who hate his guts are already going after... Cheney.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:57 PM
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66. Bush is the hot house messiah of the Texas Gang behind JFK's assassination
They ain't gonna kill the Christ child.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:33 AM
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58. GHWB was in dallas
and he was CIA
and he has never had to answer any questions about it.
and Bushfam was tight with Cuban mafia

It has run in their blood for generations
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:11 AM
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5. will also kick -- to get the conversation going
I've never bought the "lone gunman" nonsense, btw...
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:26 AM
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8. You mean Arlen Specter didn't convince you with his "Magic Bullet" theory?
:P

Kickin' it!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:38 AM
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12. and that Jack Ruby stripper who knew in advance they were gunning for the President in Dallas...
...she was just clairvoyant! There was dark magic all over the place!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:15 AM
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19. or Papa Bush's memo... or...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:31 AM
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57. Ding! Ding! Ding! Poppy in the middle Again!
Octafish, where are you???
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:22 AM
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7. back and to the left
back and to the left
back and to the left
back and to the left

The MacGruder film shows that the official story is bs.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 03:05 AM
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23. Zapruder. MacGruder was a bad TV show.
:)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0088558/
"MacGruder and Loud" (1985)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:42 AM
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26. "Jeb Stuart Magruder,
formerly Haldeman's assistant at the White House, who at the time of the Watergate break-in was deputy director of the Committee to Re-elect the President." -- footnote from page 47 of "The Final Days," by Woodward & Bernstein.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:58 AM
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27. Was there a Magruder film???? n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:09 AM
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28. I think it was
just a cheesey tv series.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:01 AM
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46. sorry got my ruders mixed
:freak:
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:28 AM
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9. In the earlier thread it was observed that his sons will profit from this
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:14 AM
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132. Nowhere near as much as the Miltary-Industrial Complex did from Vietnam War.
Vietnam Withdrawal Plans

http://www.history-matters.com/vietnam1963.htm

After JFK, the War Party got their war. They've been getting their wars just about ever since, too.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:30 AM
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10. Thanks for posting this. It means a lot to me. K/R!!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 03:27 PM
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81. Glad to hear it!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:37 AM
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11. K&R.
Poppy. sleep, sleeeeep! Poppies. Poppies. Sleeep.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:43 AM
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13. My brother worked for RFK during his
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 12:44 AM by appleannie1
campaign and drove one of his funeral cars. Not one of us has EVER believed the 'lone gunman' story and have always contended that Johnson was involved.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:48 AM
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15. I think that anyone that watched Johnson's face after the assasination
believed he was involved. He looked just like the cat that swallowed the canary, and smiled like someone very pleased with themselves. Made me sick to look at him.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:33 AM
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59. Who has the link to his girlfriend's video, she knew
Johnson was involved and now we know that he was for sure.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:07 PM
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78. It's in this thread
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:19 PM
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70. Just get me elected in 1964 and you can have your g-d'ed war--LBJ
In the prologue to Stanley Karnow's Vietnam: A History
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:12 AM
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31. There is that eerie picture of Albert Thomas winking at
Johnson, while he stands next to Jackie Kennedy.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:55 AM
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43. Poppy Bush was involved this - and has tried to cover it for years by pointing fingers at Johnson.
The latest effort was a book by Scott McClellan's father who said Johnson had Kennedy killed, and interestingly, doesn't show ANY of the evidence we KNOW exists that has Poppy Bush's markings.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:50 AM
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16. He's still not getting past St. Peter!
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:07 AM
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17. Sigh... we will never really know for sure. -nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:13 AM
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32. I bet Arlen Specter knows...
and I bet a few others who are still alive know the truth too, including Poppy Bush, there might still be hope.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:21 AM
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52. Also, papers in the Archives will someday be released - not in out
lifetime unfortunately.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:39 PM
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88. that is what has always bugged me. Why keep the papers secret for 75 years
until everyone who wants to know what happened is dead? What is there that needs to be kept from us?Haven't we seen all kinds of scandals by now?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 01:04 AM
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107. Agreed.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:57 PM
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95. And Gerald Ford knew
and just about the only person who mentioned Ford's involvement with the Warren Commission was Poppy Bush when he spoke at Ford's funeral. Saying something like "If Jerry Ford said Oswald acted alone you can believe it." (badly paraphrased).

Ya gotta wonder if that was his guilty conscience speaking or if he's feeling the heat from his name finally surfacing in relation to JFK's death.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:21 AM
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119. Very revealing moment which laid bare what a corrupt, sick and twisted man..
Poppy Bush is..calling out and taunting those that don't believe the obvious lies and bullshit that our government shoved down our throats about the JFK assassination, calling them "crazy conspiracy theorists".
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:14 AM
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18. if the democrats were smart, they'd unravel all the black bag stuff in public
and show these guys for the cold blooded assholes they are.

I don't think they will though.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:17 AM
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20. Unfortunately: "If my grandma was a train, she'd have little metal wheels." n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:23 PM
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72. The blowback would take us out of Iraq simultaneously...something to consider
Exposing domestic ops of Operation Mockingbird (still in action) along with the NSA harassment of Quakers who posted the permananent base info online at

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

Don't be too rash, things happen for a purpose. The timing of this revelation is a Godsend.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:00 PM
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67. A new Church Committee hearing in open public w/sworn testimony nt
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 03:12 PM
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80. Why not?
I am looking at the Warren report, and am stunned at the parallels between it and the 911 report.

Why not? I would like to understand how they can miss the importance of finally cleaning this wound. Look what sickness letting them go has caused.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:29 PM
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87. Peter Dale Scott on JFK - 9/11 parallels:
via Google video:

JFK and 9/11 - Insights Gained From Studying Both
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7404458118476453937&q=peter+dale+scott+jfk

About an hour-long lecture. From the description:

In this wide-ranging talk, researcher Peter Dale Scott points out similarities that arise when you look at the assassination of JFK and the ... all » events of 9/11.

Recorded at the 2006 "Coalition on Political Assassinations" (COPA) Regional Meeting in Dallas, Texas, November 18, 2006.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:58 AM
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21. The only thing I've seen of late to make me stop and think was....
This:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/conspiracy/newman.html

"Oswald was in Mexico City in late September and early October of 1963. During his one-week stay, he tried to obtain visas from the Cuban consulate and Soviet embassy. But intelligence documents released in 1999 establish that, after Oswald failed to get the visas, CIA intercepts showed that someone impersonated Oswald in phone calls made to the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate and linked Oswald to a known KGB assassin - Valery Kostikov - whom the CIA and FBI had been following for over a year."

Someone was setting Oswald up six weeks before the assassination. The CIA knew about it, and fell all over itself covering it up. The Warren Commission knew about it, too, and intentionally left it out of their report.

But what it means, I don't know.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:56 AM
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45. I bet this picture made you stop and think....
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:26 AM
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55. I was watching TV that day. I can tell you at that time it did not enter
our minds that this could be a coverup. We were all shell shocked and angry at Oswald. We just assumed that Ruby felt the same way. We were young and innocent then. This act was the beginning of the death of our innocence.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:22 PM
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62. Differences between people.
I grew up in New Orleans, and even though I was practically a kid then, I knew that there was more to an action like Ruby's than the "patriotism" published by the press, most especially given Ruby's background. Then when Ruby was assassinated, too, my gut feeling was galvanized.

There was a show a number of months ago on - I think - the History channel, that speculated about Johnson's involvement. That was the first time I had heard this stated publicly and was truly surprised to see it presented so forwardly.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:19 PM
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69. Um, one thing...
Ruby wasn't assassinated. He had cancer and died in prison a few years later.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:13 PM
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93. You may be correct -
But I was pretty sure that he died in prison from unnatural cause. If I am in error, thank you for the clarification.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:38 AM
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113. Didn't he warn Ford that if he wasn't moved, if he wasn't
protected, he would never live long enough to tell the truth and his involvement?

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:52 AM
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114. Ruby died of cancer, but it moved VERY quickly through
Edited on Thu Mar-22-07 08:58 AM by rasputin1952
him. Made for great write ups at the time, and specualtion is rampant if he was "innoculated" w/some kind of virus that had been manipulated to create malignancy.

Ruby asked both Ford and Warren to get him out of TX, and he would talk. In several interviews, he alluded he knew more than he was saying, but that could have been aploy for leniency as well....:shrug:

I believe Ruby killed Oswald becaue it was part of a larger cover up, by whom or what "agency/group" is up for discussion, but unless something concrete comes out, we're all in limbo...:(


Edit:

<snip>

In 1964, Jack Ruby was brought to trial for the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. In that same year, he was convicted and sentenced to death. In 1966, the judgment of death was reversed by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, and he was granted a second trial. On January 3, 1967, Jack Ruby died from the effects of galloping lung cancer before his second trial could begin. He claimed that he had been injected with cancer.

<snip>


http://www.goochinfo.homestead.com/ruby.html
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:01 AM
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115. The guy who ordered the JFK Assassination
I have reviewed all of the data: and I have concluded that JFK was shot by a team of German secret agents (a Swat like team) posing as Russians.

The CIA figured this out shortly after JFK was shot; and they knew about the organization -- because they had used the Gehlen Organization -- in the past, but because of blowback -- the powers that be covered it up -- for fear it may cause a Nuclear war with the Russians.

The guy that organized the assassination is Reinhard Gehlen.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:48 AM
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122. Another interesting twist to the story...
I'll have to research this a bit, but one thing I am sure of, neither I, nor Oswald killed JFK.

All other options are open, although there are some thkngs I tend to dismiss out of hand, I still look at them if they fill in gaps.

The story has become so convoluted by mis/disinformation it is like jumping into a pool filled with spaghetti looking for the one piece of macaroni...

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:28 PM
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74. One thing that every criminal master mind has in common...
they understand the human psyche very well. Similarly to 9/11, it's much easier to run an effective coverup when you are dealing with a shell-shocked and grieving public. How could anyone think rationally and clearly when they are watching people jump out of burning sky scrapers on live television? The event sticks in your mind very well, it's the details that become hazy.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:41 PM
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89. I was wondering about that earlier today, before seeing this thread....
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 05:43 PM by timeforarevolution
I had a question about 9/11 and intelligence discrepancies, and went to the September 11 forum here for the first time. WOW! The venom is palpable. I can understand not agreeing about 9/11 and potential conspiracy theories, but I truly don't understand why people are so angry about it. I don't have a clear opinion, but knowing what we DO know for a fact about this crew, nothing would surprise me. What does surprise me is how vehemently people here at DU feel about.

Back to this thread.....

So, I was wondering upon seeing the 9/11 posts whether the conspiracy theories regarding JFK's assassination manifested fairly soon, or if it took years. Given the difference in communication technology, obviously everything would move more slowly then. But I wondered if it was generally accepted by everyone without question that Oswald was the lone gunman during the first few years after the assassination.

When did the conspiracy theories start to surface regarding this tragedy?

edited for stupid typos
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:08 PM
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102. Some people seem to have had misgivings immediately
I was too young to remember that day myself. But I knew a woman about 20 years ago who told me about her recollections. She insisted -- swore up and down to me -- that when Johnson made a live speech about JFK's assassination in the days following, she heard him say that the details would not be disclosed until 2036. It stuck with her because in the replays of his speech that part was cut out, and she never heard it again. Because of that she definitely believed from the beginning that the government was in on JFK's death.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 12:59 AM
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106. I think that the various theories started very soon after as I remember
that there was confusion about who did this. Oh most thought that Oswald fired the shots but there was speculation about who he was working for: Cuba? Hoffa? Organized crime? CIA? J. Edgar Hoover? Racists? Communists? LBJ? No one was sure and when the question was never answered people started building up evidence for their own theories. I for one have always thought it may have been CIA and it did not take me long to start wondering about a certain head of the CIA who benefited greatly from the death of JFK. I still wonder about that.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 07:27 AM
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110. Thank you for your thoughts/memories, Magellan and jwirr! :) n/t
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:18 AM
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116. You are welcome. What really surprises me is how painful these
memories still are. I guess some things just do not go away.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:52 PM
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94. I was watching it as well that day and I heard my dad say to my mom
"Someone doesn't want him talking." I was ten years old and that was the day I put on my first tinfoil hat.

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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:27 AM
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56. A Nixon-Ruby Connection
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/nixonruby.htm">Link

Any twin Jack Ruby JFK Conspiracy theories?

I have been trying to find some, but have not as of yet. I know, for example, when I was mugged in NYC, they (the muggers) looked alike and dressed alike (no doubt to avoid identification).

And with stage makeup, and/or masks make it seem more like a twin; as they set up the assassination?

I find it -- mind-boggling -- that Ruby whom used to work for a Rabid anti-liberal (Nixon) -- all the sudden is a liberal fan of Kennedy -- in the heart of texas.

If the fact -- got out -- that he was a liberal fan in Texas, around that time, he would of lost 90% of his business.

___________________________________________
Amazing Trick Photography





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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:44 PM
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91. This picture made ME stop and think



I didn't know Jack Ruby was a lefty...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:24 PM
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73. See post #65. You will be amazed at how the media hasn't been looking .....
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 02:58 AM
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22. K and R
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:32 AM
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24. I wanna know - did the future 41st POTUS whack the 35th POTUS?
Paging Octafish...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:30 PM
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76. yes.
nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:33 AM
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130. Hunt was tied directly to Poppy, Nixon, Dulles and Harriman.
Bay of Pigs Thing with Poppy and later on in Dallas.

Watergate Plumbers and Operation 40, many of whom (Frank Sturgis, Felix "Max Gomez" Rodriguez, Luis Posada Carriles) link to Dallas.

One of the "Information Specialists" brought in at the founding of the CIA, helped create the anti-communist hysteria and build up the permanent War Party.

Served as "press aide" for Harriman (Prescott Bush's business partner in arming Hitler).

Know your BFEE: Lies are the currency of their realm.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1170858&mesg_id=1170858

That's the quick version. I'll do more as time and health permit.

PS: I'm very sorry this is so late. I've been under the weather. Darn boss brought the flu into the rabbit hovel last week and coughed on EVERYBODY. Lots.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:38 AM
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25. "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" - The lost chapter
makes a very convincing case that LBJ was a key player - but not a top player.


Segments of The History Channel's banned documentary, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Final Chapter".

This examination of the latest theories about the J.F.K. assassination & cover-up was shown once in November, 2003 and quickly suppressed, due mainly to outrage and threat of a lawsuit by family and former associates of L.B.J. who is targeted in the documentary as being a key figure in the Kennedy assassination plot and other murders as well.


TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.1 The Smoking Gun, seg.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8

TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.3 The Guilty Men, seg.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjAeIk

all 3 episodes, 5 parts each:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TMWKK


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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:03 AM
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47. Thanks rman - fascinating stuff - much appreciated.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:08 AM
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48. Very interesting. Thanks for the links.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:04 AM
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29. It was UFO's, I tells ya!
I've suspected for years that these navel-staring conspiracy nuts are more interested in proving themselves right than in saving our country. Here is proof.

Who the hell are they going to arrest if their proof is true? Nobody. They're just going to stand on their little pedestals and said "See? We were right! We're the Gods of Logic!" And meanwhile, Bush leads America into hell.

They should all be given a bottle of Lonely Man Hand Cream and a box of tissues, and sent back to their bedrooms.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:41 AM
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35. No countering of evidence, nothing but personal attacks and illogical reasoning -
as usual.

How is it that the inability to arrest dead people proves that the official story is correct?

If there's any truth to the conspiracy theories, then it was a coup, and a key event in creating the hell that we now find ourselves in.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:36 AM
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38. History repeating. Unaccountability and secrecy letting corruption prosper
Agreed, if "it was a coup, and a key event in creating the hell that we now find ourselves in," then we should try out the theory for its explanatory value. And it seems it may explain quite a lot.

One of the troubling things about the current prosecutor-firings is the way the issue has become the drama of the firings, and distracted from the theory that Lam was uncovering major corruption. The theory is that the CIA was, again, involved in governance in ways it shouldn't be. They may have been helping the GOP, specifically bush, gain power. They may have been using taxes for bribery. They may have been setting themselves up to profit from national security contracts. They may have been buying into data mining and phone companies in order to set up a big brother network of spying. They may have been involved in rigging elections...etc. There are a lot of "may haves," but I can't imagine why anyone would think not want the truth of it.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:49 AM
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41. My father...always said that he bet Johnson had something to do with it.
He said that after the fact Johnson, always had that hangdog look and that is one of the reasons he declined to run for re-election. My father let theories run wild. But some how or other I didn't know whether to push this aside or not. He was very very jealous of Kennedy. He thought he should have gotten the nomination to be president, instead of Kennedy.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:34 AM
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60. Johnson always had that hangdog look. He was not a handsome
man. As to his not running again! He would not have won the primary let alone the general election and he knew it. We (the protesters) hated him for his escalation of the war.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:12 AM
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111. It's all the conspiracy junkie's ego, dude.
I have never seen one of these conspiracy cats who would have enough interest in other people to step gently over a woman dying on the sidewalk. They're egotistical jerks who don't care anything for anyone but their own "correctness." They aren't worth the effort to smash their stupid faces into a concrete wall.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:26 AM
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120. "They aren't worth the effort to smash their stupid faces into a concrete wall."
nice...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 04:23 PM
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124. a classically reasoned, humane response.
What a guy!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 06:39 PM
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90. Speaking of repetitively fapping...
...That's what those ignorant of history do, tom. There's no statute of limitations on murder or assassination, and if the conspiracy theorists are correct they may well uncover the mechanism by which our country is being fucked up today.

Think it's all old book learning? Perhaps you've heard of Porter Goss, who was recently the head of the CIA. He was personally trained--prior to the Kennedy assassination--by Allen Welsh Dulles, who also sat on the Warren Commission after his own notorious tenure as DCI.

As I pointed out in my link above, there is now no question whatsoever that there was, in fact, a CIA cover-up over Oswald's movements in Mexico. The question "why" still remains, and it's a big, big question. Because if there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy some of the conspirators are undoubtedly still alive today, and like other high criminals, they deserve to be pursued until the end of their days.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:15 AM
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112. Read previous comment upon conspiracy egotism.
It goes double here. If you found the evidence you claim to have, do you think you would be able to take your fistful of papers up to the White House and demand that Bush leave immediately? No? Then get that bottle of Lonely Man Hand Cream I mentioned earlier; I think you get a discount on it if you show a copy of "JFK" at the register.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 03:57 AM
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127. Dude, the evidence "I claim to have..."
Was released by the CIA itself in 1996. Read my link. It's not bullshit.

My point, which you obviously missed, is this: by learning how the criminals of yesteryear were operating, we can draw conclusions about how the criminals of today are operating. And we can take out some of today's criminals by charging them with yesteryear's crimes.

Think that's jacking off? Then you must have no hope whatsoever for our nation. At least I have some.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:39 AM
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131. How profound.
Here's information, no theory, for you:

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3029417

Poppy doesn't like "conspiracy theorists" any more than you do.
It sounds like you two have a lot in common.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:09 AM
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30. Johnson's mistress
claimed that he was involved with JFK's assassination. Very interesting video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6962062879996612313&q=%22Madeleine+Duncan+Brown%22&hl=en

If she is lying, she sure has a lot of details.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 12:17 AM
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105. Thanks for that link to the interview
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 07:21 AM
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109. Your welcome
Would be interested in your take on that interview. I saw it for the first time last summer and find it fascinating.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 07:48 PM
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126. I've seen the "wink" picture and read that Johnson killed Kenedy before.
Seeing that interview convinced me that Johnson killed Kennedy and fills in lots of puzzle pieces.

Cui Bono? Johnson

Who killed RFK?
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:35 AM
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128. There were a lot of
assassinations in the 60s - I tend to think they are related. The first was so successful, why not use that strategy on others that were inconveniently in the way? I know, very tinfoil hat of me but there it is.

What is the 'wink' picture? LBJ related?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 02:52 PM
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 03:38 PM
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134. Evil man.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:17 AM
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33. Shows that wikipedia is far more accurate than not., read he was involved through via them 1year ag
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 08:22 AM by cooolandrew
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:22 AM
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34. Did anyone ever hear any rumors about Ruby, Hunt, and Mike Shore?
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 08:26 AM by PhilipShore
I was wondering if you had heard any "discussions" about Ruby, Hunt and Mike Shore, or anyone with the last name Shore?

If you did, do you know if Mike Shore or any Shore -- ever had any discussions or contacts with people in Providence RI area or the Miami Beach area?

You don't have to give names, just answer yes or no.

_____________________________________________________________


I was only an infant when JFK was shot; but my mother used to date Ray Corbett the president of the AFL-CIO of New York State, and she told me that Ray Corbett used to go to the White House to meet with JFK often.

She even had dinner with Ray Corbett and Jimmy Hoffa, and Hoffa got all upset at Bobbie Kennedy and said that, "Bobbie never worked a day in his life, and grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth."

My grandmothers sister -- also worked as a decorator for the Kennedy White House.

Around then the corporate elite that were anti-union would of been deeply afraid of the power, that Union leaders -- such as Ray Corbett had because of the huge amounts of money he had control over as president of the New York State Union.

I, a few years ago filed a civil lawsuit; concerning my grandfathers estate that was looted by Real Estate lawyers, and others in Miami Florida, between 1967 and 1976, the period of time of the litigation over his estate. Yes, 1967 to 1976.

And believe it or not -- one of the persons involved in the swindling according to a PI I hired said that they (the Real Estate swindler) hired the law firm that is the firm for the National Republican campaign GOP,to answer any questions by the PI, and that person that hired the Republican law firm looks like a twin of Jack Ruby, and is the same age as all the people suspected in the conspiracy theory websites -- and had the profile of frequenting high profile night clubs at that time, as well.

If any of your friends -- or anyone hear sees name Ed Morales or the name Morales, please let me know. He was a Cuban living in Puerto Rico in the early 60s, and co-owned a Mortgage Insurance Company with one of the swindlers involved in looting my grandfather's estate. And possibly would of been around Arizona in 1963 or 1964.

______________________________________________________________


http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk9/hscv9f.htm


The Teamsters also used Weiner's talents by involving him and his many corporate entities in the bonding of individual union chapters across the nation. (2229) Weiner's abilities are also evident in the bonding of Teamsters-financed projects such as hotels, motels, and other businesses. (2230) These activities have linked Weiner with projects in many cities, including Miami and Las Vegas. The financing and bonding of the Dallas Cabana was apparently handled by one of Weiner's bonding associates in Chicago, Sol Schwartz. (2231) There is no indication that Weiner has had any direct business links to Dallas.

# Mike Shore, a Californian involved in the entertainment field (2267) also attended school with Weiner and Earl Ruby,(2268) and he and Weiner had been involved in a number of business transactions. (2269) Jack Ruby also called Shore numerous times in 1963 to seek help with his labor problems,( 2270) including calls in the days before and after the October 26 call to Weiner. Weiner stated that Shore never mentioned to him the calls from Ruby.(2271) Shore may have prompted Ruby's call to Weiner, however, by mentioning the latter's name in one of' his 1963 telephone conversations with Ruby. "Ruby asked if he should call Weiner about the trouble he was havingwith AGVA but Shore replied, 'What can he do ?.' Shore did not know if Ruby did call Weiner."(2272) (Earl Ruby worked with Shore following the Oswald shooting to raise defense funds and to secure an attorney.)(2273)

The JFK Assassination -- Witness Marita Lorenz

Attorney Mark Lane questions witness Marita Lorenz in the trial, Hunt v. Liberty Lobby. Excerpted from the book Plausible Denial by Mark Lane.

I think it was Jack Ruby that shot JFK with another twin

Lane: While you were at that motel, did you meet anyone other than those who were in the party traveling with you from Miami to Dallas?

Lorenz: Yes.

Lane: Who did your meet?

Lorenz: E. Howard Hunt.

Lane: Was there anyone else who you saw or met other than Mr. Hunt?

Lorenz: Excuse me?

Lane: Other than those?

Lorenz: Jack Ruby


http://www.amazon.com/Contract-America-Murder-President-Kennedy/dp/082173833X

Scheim, however, does come up with one little obscure fact, previously unknown....prior to the assassination Jack Ruby made some phone calls to Mike Shore, an executive at Sinatra's Reprise records; and after Ruby shot Oswald, Shore offered assistance in finding Ruby an attorney.

JFK Assassination Records - FBI Case Files arranged by Surnames

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/fbi-files.html


Shaw, Clay
Shimon, Joseph
Shore, Mike




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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 09:08 AM
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36. Wow...just...wow...
k & r
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:06 AM
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37. How do they make the obvious seem "crazy"
There is so much about the JFK assassination that is obvious ("back and to the left") and there were several recorded confessions (mafia foot soldiers involved) and yet the media continues to portray anyone who believes our own "lying eyes" as "conspiracy theorists."

We have to get control of the reality generating machine before we can achieve political and economic change.

K&R
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:55 AM
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44. because of exactly that.
when there are multiple people confessing to multiple aspects of the same crime in order to profit from said confessions, it's suspect. especially when there is a thick streak of science-hating and cherry-picking evidence in the "cia/mafia/johnson/ufos/castro killed him" camp.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:20 AM
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51. Thanks!
I really needed to hear all the usual meaningless Orwellian buzzwords to make this issue clearer.

:sarcasm:
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:02 PM
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61. The reality generating machine.
:)

I so look forward to your posts.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:45 PM
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64. Thanks!
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 12:47 PM by HamdenRice
And that's an authentic thanks unlike the one above!

On edit: Congratulations on breaking 1000 posts!
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:38 AM
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39. K&R. n/t
PB
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:48 AM
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40. Hunt's wife died in a plane crash
Chicago Historical Information
1972, December 8: Crash of United Airlines Flight 553
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/flight533_crash.html

"This was probably the most investigated airplane crash in history" said Deputy Cook County Coroner John Haigh when he announced the findings of the coroner's jury looking into the crash at Midway Airport. The findings coincided with those of the National Transportation Safety Board: pilot error.

...

Among the passengers killed were U.S. Representative George Collins (7th), a former 24th Ward Alderman, and Mrs. Dorothy Hunt. Her husband, E. Howard Hunt, had been indicted on charges of conspiring to break into the Democratic National Committee Headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Found in the debris was a purse belonging to Mrs. Hunt containing $10,585 in cash. There was immediate concern that the money might be linked to the financial dealings surrounding the Nixon "slush fund" to which defendants in the Watergate case had access and that the crash therefore might be linked to sabotage. In the end sabotage was ruled out, but the mystery surrounding the money and the deaths of such prominent, politically connected individuals insured a very thorough investigation.

...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:14 AM
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50. Much stranger and more involved: Maybe she was about to tell all about JFK's assassination
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 11:16 AM by HamdenRice
Howard Hunt had been using his wife, Dorothy, as an intermediary, to carry out negotations with the Nixon White House to provide support and hush money to Howard and the other members of the White House "plumbers" who planned and carried out the Watergate burglery and who were at that time, already under indictment.

The Hunts allegedly had documents showing that Nixon and the CIA were involved in the JFK assassination. As a result of Dorothy's pressure on Nixon aide Chuck Colson (who had hired Hunt to form the plumber unit) and Attorney General Mitchell, it was arranged for Hunt to receive $250,000.

On December 8, 1972, Dorothy met with CBS News journalist Michelle Clark and Chicago Congressman George Collins. Michelle Clark was covering Watergate for CBS News, and was very familiar with those events as well as CIA activities because Clark's boyfriend was a CIA operative.

Dorothy Hunt, Michelle Clark and Rep. Collins all flew from Washington to Chicago on the same flight 533. Hunt had about $10,000 in her purse, reputedly for distribution among some of the plumbers unit members as payoff.

The plane crashed in Chicago. Nixon aid Colson told Time Magazine, "I don't say this to my people. They'd think I'm nuts. I think the CIA killed Dorothy Hunt."

Shortly thereafter, Hunt agreed to plead guilty and served 33 months in federal prison.

No wonder the Hunt kids went a little crazy after that.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:25 AM
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54. Another coincidence. We can look back over a history of them.
Lucky breaks, trifectas and coincidences. Surely they don't have anything to do with the cesspool we find ourselves in today. :eyes:

Thanks for that one. I remember part of it vaguely, but I didn't know the part about the reporter and the congressman being in the same crash. Not a twofer, but a threefer or trifecta.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 01:21 AM
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108. Whew. Mr. Hunt was quite the narcissistic user - used his son as an alibi
as to his whereabouts on the day JFK was murdered, and had his son help clean the things he had used during the Watergate break in.

In addition, Hunt used his wife to be a monetary go between with his 'transactions' with Nixon.

That's seems about as cold blooded as it can get to use your own loved ones/family members as accessories to his own crimes.

Bless those kids.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 01:03 PM
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123. Or Hunt himself;
it would not be the first time for him to threaten to blow the whistle.
Nor would it be the first time for those criminals to threaten someone's family in order to keep him quiet - nor would it be the first time for them to put their money were their mouth is.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:10 AM
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49. Bumping so I can find it later ...
when I can watch it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:23 AM
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53. Video - JFKII The Bush Connection
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 09:59 PM
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100. There went an hour and 20 minutes.
Interesting.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:25 PM
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63. Lots of people involved in Watergate were connected to the JFK assassination
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 12:25 PM by melody
And I don't just mean through the Kevin Bacon theory. lol

Google and ye shall find.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:31 PM
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77. Like roaches, they're still crawling out from under the rocks..
we're dealing with them yet today, any surprise?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 12:57 PM
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65. Posner and Company are just now admitting intelligence agencies were hiding something
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 01:17 PM by EVDebs
""In 1963 Joannides served as chief of the CIA's anti-Castro "psychological warfare" operations in Miami. According to declassified CIA records corroborated by interviews, Joannides secretly financed exiled Cuban agents who collected intelligence on Lee Harvey Oswald three months before Kennedy was killed. Fifteen years later, Joannides was called out of retirement by the CIA to serve as the agency's liaison to the House committee looking into Kennedy's assassination. While working with the committee, the spy withheld information about his own actions in 1963 from the congressional investigators he was supposed to be assisting. It wasn't until 2001, 38 years after Kennedy's death, that Joannides' support for the Cuban exiles, who clashed with Oswald and monitored him, came to light.""

Celebrated authors demand that the CIA come clean on JFK assassination
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/17/joannides/index.html

"Building upon Garrison’s effort, Mellen uncovers decisive new evidence and clearly establishes the intelligence agencies’ roles in both a president’s assassination and its cover-up, set in motion well before the actual events of November 22, 1963.

This book will become a landmark. As Mellen explains in the Preface, on the 40th Anniversary of President Kennedy's death in 2003, a Gallup Poll verified that twice as many people believed that the CIA was responsible for the assassination as believed that Oswald, a man without a motive, acted alone. "

A Farewell To Justice
www.joanmellen.net

The Johannides (sic ?) connections to Oswald started most of this; the lonegunmen/magicbullet crowd have no answer to it. Maybe we could also ask Mary Meyer and James Jesus Angleton too, huh ?

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:22 PM
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71. Well, that would require a seance...
But I see what you're saying. Thanks!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:29 PM
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75. It's still a murder and circumstantial cumulative-effect evidence
can be used if allowed and crossexamined. Who can 'cover up' ? Why would you want to NOW ? I think a new investigation of this would merge into a domestic spying op investigation currently being done on US citizens similar to the old Church hearings. NOW is the time to strike. God has provided, we (through Congress) must act !
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 09:51 PM
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99. What sort of dope are you smoking? Honestly...
...There ain't no way our Congress is going to look into the Kennedy assassination. Shit, Bush took a giant shit on the FISA laws and Pelosi responds by saying "Impeachment is off the table". The man fucking ordered our troops to torture innocent people in violation of the Geneva Conventions which by treaty is U.S. Law and our Congress isn't even investigating that. If they won't punish facts, do you honestly think they're going to impanel a congressional hearing on the JFK murder? You're living in a dream world. There'd have to be a fucking revolution to get that case looked into and that isn't anywhere close to a political reality.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 11:43 PM
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103. I prefer to be an optimist if you don't mind. I don't smoke but the Alice B. Toklas brownies
are o.k.

Congress doesn't have to do anything but a new Church cmte would inevitably lead to disclosures along the lines of my post #65 -- which you'd do well to read. Cheer up old bean and think positively. The Great Architect of the Universe helped in the creation of the USofA and he/she/it isn't well pleased with Bush & Co.

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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:12 PM
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68. Coincidence theorists?
K&R


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 04:09 PM
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83. Kicked, recommended and bookmarked!
:kick:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 04:56 PM
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84. Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, George & Charles P. Cabell, Michael & Ruth Paine
Edited on Wed Mar-21-07 05:03 PM by David Zephyr
Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, George & Charles P. Cabell, Michael & Ruth Paine. Quite a cast of characters.

And then there was a nice gentleman's agreement between Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon (both of whom were in Dallas on November 22nd, 1963 along with George Herbert Walker Bush). Lyndon got the presidency from November 1963 to January 1969 and Richard Nixon (the protoge of Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush) got the White House after that. Lyndon would not run. But then Bobby Kennedy sort of almost got in the way, didn't he?
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:12 PM
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85. Watch/purchase JFK2 and it all comes together. The BCF is truly evil.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 05:16 PM
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86. Thank you. k&r nt
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 07:12 PM
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92. I'm not a Lone Gunman advocate but...
Given Hunt's age, it's not inconcievable that he might have been senile. Nor is it inconcievable that he might make the whole thing up (why is anyone's guess). It's also possible that any plans to kill Kennedy never went further than that and the murder was executed by some outside party (unlikely for sure but possible).

Either way, I want to see that tape!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:28 AM
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121. many scenarios are possible,
but only a few are supported by evidence.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:26 PM
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96. k&r
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 08:40 PM
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97. k&r
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 09:15 PM
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98. My sister bought me a reprint of the original Dallas Morning News
of November 23, 1963. I had it in the closet for several years and finally took it out last night to sell it on Ebay. When I really took a closer look at that newspaper it struck me as very odd the sheer number of stories and details that were provided in the articles, less than 24 hours after the incident. I realize that the newspaper business has changed drastically in the intervening years, but it still amazed me that they could have the staff to research the stories, locate witnesses, interview them, write and edit the stories and still go the press the next morning. It is almost as if they were "ready" for this story.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:04 PM
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101. I don't have any references to hand at the moment,
but I know the word went out to get Lee Harvey Oswald almost as soon as the motorcade left for
Parkland Hospital.

Perhaps somebody else has more details more quickly than I can find them?

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:17 AM
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117. 79 recs! Yesterday's number-two thread - thanks all.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 05:19 PM
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125. Kick.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:20 AM
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129. OK. :-)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:58 PM
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135. kick 'cos people are talkin' n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:38 PM
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136. kick because this story apparently is in the new Rolling Stone
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