Shackled, bruised and "emaciated" teen escapes couple.

[FedUpWithIt All]

Chuck Ellis, a manager of the In-Shape Sports Club in Tracy, said the boy came into the fitness center about 4 p.m. nearly naked — wearing only boxer briefs, covered with what appeared to be soot and with a chain locked around his ankle.

Ellis said the teen was scared someone was going to get him and asked to be hidden.

"He said, 'Don't let them get me, don't let them get me,"' Ellis said. "He was totally terrified."

Ellis said the teenager told him he was picked up after running away from the foster home to look for his family and held for almost a year. The gym manager said the teen looked like he was between 10 and 12 years old.

http://cbs5.com/local/male.teen.chains.2.877663.html

:grr: I am so sick and tired of kids suffering horrifying abuse.

[HopeFor2006]

1. Heartbreaking

:cry:

[FedUpWithIt All]

2. It is so difficult to wrap your mind around this stuff.

I just cannot understand it.

I hope the boy finds some rest now.

[LisaL]

20. I don't get it either.

I've heard about young women being held captive, but not of young men (by a couple?).

[undergroundpanther]

3. Arrgh

The poor kid.damn.I hate abusive people.They are not worth the air they breathe.

Psychopaths,abusive assholes.I wish there was a way to rid the world of abusers,forever.Just one night,it would be a miracle if they'd all just die off.The whole population of vicious killers,slave traffickers pimps,pedophiles,rapists, child abusers, domestic abusers, predatory parasites,authoritarians, control freaks,career unrepentant bullies,con men,psychopaths, sociopaths of every kind, all of them would just in one wonderful night as they slept,die.


It would be a very different world.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03E6DB1E38F930A25757C0A9629C8B63

[Nay]

6. Hey, undergroundpanther, you've just killed off 80% of the population! But...

you know, that would be a good thing. Then the rest of us could breathe a bit.

And people wonder why I'm not very sociable--I meet too many people who fit in U.P.'s list!

[bertman]

15. You're right, panther, they are not worth the air they breathe. That's why I believe in

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for crimes such as this. That said, our current system of justice is so fucked up that only those perps who couldn't afford high-priced attorneys would be the ones who actually got executed.

NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE has the right to abduct and torture another human being.

Nay, I don't think it's as high as 80%. Maybe 10. But still that's one out of every ten of us.

[undergroundpanther]

42. The current rates

for abusers per is 1 in 4.It correlates very well with the percentages of crimes committed in an area.Interesting numbers to consider when 1 in 4 girls are raped before age 18.

[yodermon]

24. I agree with the sentiment of your post, but

I think that the ultimate way to rid the world of these things is to find out *how people become like this*. These abusers started out as innocent children too; what happened between point A and point B?

If we just dismiss them as "just evil, let's kill 'em" {and i'm not saying that YOU said this, but i see lots of this sentiment down-thread}, that is sort of a bushco mentality which address the symptom, not the root cause of the problem.

E.g. http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html "the history of child abuse"

[undergroundpanther]

43. I like Demause

But psychopaths are not"created".It is being discovered they are born like that.You cannot make someone grow a conscience.Even Plato said that.. And if the stupid vampire myth(abuse creates future abusers) concerning abuse victims was true there would be many more abusers than there are now. If considering the staggering rates of child abuse,the reality is most abused kids do not grow up to abuse other kids. It is insulting to link being victimized as the cause of becoming an abuser because most battered kids don't become battering adults.I think the ones that do that are already sociopath and just happened to be abused.

More and more psychopathy seems to be a physical issue not caused by abuse.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/25078.php
http://crimepsychblog.com/?p=470

[FedUpWithIt All]

49. I completely disagree. First, we are organic beings. No two beings react or process the same event

in the same way. Just because SOME/MOST are able to deal with trauma and "get past it" does not mean that the victims who are unable were damaged or dangerous prior to the suffering they endured. It simply means that they were unable to process/compartmentalize (in a healthier way) and move beyond it enough to become a safe and functioning person. Would they have been safe and functioning if they did not have a system overload? Nobody can really say. All anyone knows is that the children never had a chance to try life without abuse. Many of the people i know who recovered somewhat normal lives following abuse had at least one outlet of support or example that life did not have to be painful or frightening. Some children live in horrifying situations and are never "rescued".


Add brain trauma to the mixed bag of abuses and you may have an even greater problem. Children sadly get hurt in a sickeningly broad variety of ways. Who knows or can define what combination of harm a person can endure before they fracture. Since abuse is so often pervasive AND secretive in the lives of some children, who can say what is "tolerable" or "too much"?

[undergroundpanther]

66. abuse in of itself does NOT cause sociopaths!!

Sociopaths however seeing abuse as fun,choose to abuse,whether they had a bad childhood or a happy one.And yes quite a few sociopaths report happy childhoods.The sociopath lives a life free of anxiety and shame,emotions that a CONSCIENCE causes in NON-sociopath people when they do something WRONG..

Many abuse victims NEVER abuse others because they have a conscience and that is why they DO NOT WANT to inflict the harm they faced on another person.

Sociopathy is NOT a mental illness.It cannot be cured or controlled with drugs or psychotherapy like mental illness or psychiatric injury(trauma).A person who is a sociopath is a sociopath,it is what/who they ARE.

[FedUpWithIt All]

68. Abused people SOMETIMES develop a strong conscience.

You do not know WHAT all abuse victims want. You know what YOU want and what people tell you they want. I suffered abuse. I can assume you suffered abuse but i simply don't know. I don't know you and what it was that formed you and your ideas.

How many true sociopaths have you known? Are these diagnosed sociopaths? And are you certain they did not suffer abuse, ie. overindulgence, neglect, physical, mental, emotional, sexual... How can you be certain of such a thing? If they did suffer abuse, who are we to minimize that abuse and suggest that it had little damaging affect on them? Isn't that just a continuation of their victimization?

We both clearly came away from life with different perspectives and views. Why is that? I don't want anybody to suffer or die, not even those who have harmed me and my loved ones. You keep saying you want all abusers to be killed. What brought us to these two very different places? Is it our experiences? Our brain types? Is one of these views more correct than the other?

While i do think that true sociopaths exist, I do not think they are all that common. I think personality disorders like borderline and narcissism are. I think that these disorders, occasionally cause people to become more abusive. I think that addiction can cause normally conscientious people to become violent and abusive. I think that certain mental illness, bi-polar disorder for example, can lead someone more readily into an addiction or a state where they are less sensitive to the feelings of those around them. Combine something like bi-polar with paranoia and you can have a recipe for conscience free violence. That violence can be administered coldly with no shame or anxiety. I think that sometimes an organic issue is aggravated by a situational one to form an increased damage.

People can live what they consider happy lives in spite of having suffered great abuse. It is all depends on the way they perceive their abuse. They way they perceive the abuser and the way their mental process compartmentalizes their experiences.

I mentioned before that an important factor in an abuse victim being able to develop a conscience is for that person to have exposure, in some form or another, to healthy behavior. They need to learn to see the abusive behavior as an aberrant and learn to see the harm that the abuse caused from a perspective outside of their own confused emotions.

You and i may never agree about what causes someone to abuse and what manner of return violence is acceptable to counter it. These things run very deep.

[yodermon]

60. It's not a stupid myth it is fact.

There are 0% of abusers who were not themselves abused.
100% of abusers were absolutely abused themselves.
(There are probably some exceedingly rare exceptions so i'll qualify it down to .001% and 99.999% respectively)

This is DeMause's thesis throughout all his writings.

Now it is key to point out, as you note, that NOT 100% of those who are abused end up as abusers. Having been abused is a necessary but not sufficient condition.
So the key is to find out what happened in these particular individuals to mitigate the abuse they received, so they did not end up becoming abusers.

The psychologists in your articles are perpetuating the "bad seed" myth which is much more dangerous than the abusers-beget-abusers non-myth.

By studying sets of 7-year-old twins, Dr. Viding and her colleagues were able to pinpoint to what extent antisocial behaviour in these two groups was caused by genetic and/or environmental risk factors.

I'd love to see their methodology. Did they spy on these children's families from birth to ensure that there were no "environmental risk factors"? Did they investigate the in-womb experience of these kids, and make sure their mothers weren't abused while pregnant? There are a whole host of issues that are typically overlooked but I'd have to read the original study to see what they covered.

[FedUpWithIt All]

61. Is overindulgence is considered abuse within that theory? Many people can end up abusive and cruel

without ever suffering a violent action. Overindulgence can lead to narcissistic tendencies and can create an inability to empathize.

[undergroundpanther]

64. Yes.

Exploding the"self esteem" myth.
The results appeared in a 1989 volume entitled The Social Importance of Self-Esteem, which stated that "many, if not most, of the major problems plaguing society have roots in the low self-esteem of many of the people who make up society." In reality, the report contained little to support that assertion.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=exploding-the-self-esteem&ref=sciam


Some students received as many as 14 different awards. “The majority of the students didn’t know what their awards really meant,” says Walsh. The honors “didn’t reinforce a specific achievement—but a sense of entitlement and of being great.”
The long-term impact of this rah-rah mentality is already apparent. In 2004, according to Jean Twenge, author of Generation Me, 70 percent of American college freshmen reported their academic ability as “above average.” But, once ego-inflated students get to college, they’re more likely to drop out, says Twenge, when their skewed sense of self and overconfidence affects their ability to make decisions.

Of course, you are working with children who have already been raised in a self-esteem world. They may think that they deserve recognition regardless of how they perform, and believe they should be considered first. Kids who act out don’t have poor self-esteem, says Twenge. Instead, they often think that they’re the most important person in the room and that everyone else is getting in their way.

http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=3747692


Today's prevailing definition is simply "to feel good about who you are and to like yourself." This leaves little room for self-doubt, criticism from others, or humility. It is epitomized by a "me first," hedonistic mentality. And as some research evidence has shown (see Relation of Threatened Egotism to Violence and Aggression: The Dark Side of High Self- Esteem , 1996), many gang members and violent youths have very high levels of this type of "self- esteem."

http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/1999/10/20/08evans.h19.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/1999/10/20/08evans.h19.html&levelId=2100
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The Just world hypothosis is a product of an abundance of "good fortune" in one's life too.Everyone in the world is subjected to the just world belief, where good triumph against the evil, honesty prevails over greed and the hardworking people are rewarded while the lazy worker are punished.It's disgustingly narcissistic and WRONG yet it is repeated everywhere,as people rush to defend assholes who esteem themselves too much so they can feel secure in the face of violence (often caused by sociopaths).Trauma challenges and pretty much decimates the assumptive world view that the world is just,and bad people get what they deserve.
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justworld.html
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Sociopaths will tell you that you are just like them. Don't believe it.Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings to all us who care about the well being of others and hate abuse. This is what abuse does to NON-sociopaths.
http://kspope.com/torvic/torture1.php
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Even the victim's relatives, friends, and colleagues are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. Others rarely have a chance to witness an abusive exchange first hand and at close quarters. In contrast, the victims are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical.

Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties – it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem.

Snip
Abuse amounts to exerting an absolute and all-pervasive domination of the victim's existence. It is a coping strategy employed by the abuser who wishes to reassert control over his life and, thus, to re-establish his mastery and superiority. (in other words abusing people traumatizing them raises the sociopath's "self esteem".)
http://groups.msn.com/psychopath/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=54657
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http://www.bookbrowse.com/author_interviews/full/index.cfm?author_number=1097
http://poundpuplegacy.org/node/17627
http://www.thehiddenevil.com/psychopathy.asp

[undergroundpanther]

62. Wrong

Sociopaths often are HAPPY people.they don't ALWAYS have bad childhoods.

Formative years may play a role in the molding of a serial killer, but they cannot be the sole reason in every case. Many killers blame their families for their behavior, seeking sympathy. In true psychopathic fashion, serial killers are blaming someone else for their actions. If their bad childhood is the primary reason for their homicidal tendencies, then why don't their siblings also become serial killers? And if these conditions truly created them, serial killers would probably be unionized by now, there would be so many of them (a sad commentary on our continuing neglect of children.) We must look at other components to see what pushes a serial killer over the edge.
http://poundpuplegacy.org/node/17627


Jeffery Dahmer had a happy childhood.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/dahmer/14.html
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/dahmer.htm
Himmler had a happy childhood.
And so did serial killer Elmer Wayne Henley
What was your childhood like? Happy, although I suffered from asthma. My memories are happy ones and probably not much different from anyone else's'. I liked school, I liked girls, played baseball, did the Scout thing, and basically lived an average childhood.

There are LOTS of examples of sociopaths living happy childhoods and lives.Their untroubled lives lived anxiety and guilt free is part of why they are so Dangerous.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The common sociopath has a distorted view of Self Worth, they won't let others tell them what they are non achievers , but instead seem to be genuinely happy with their lives.
http://blog.personality-disorders.info/common-sociopaths

Put directly, people with a stronger grip on reality are more likely to be scared shit less. In Flow, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi describes the concept of “psychic entropy,”1 that which frays our consciousness and makes living generally unbearable. Delusion shields us from this psychic entropy. It’s like self-prescribed shots of ignorance, injected straight into the neocortex.
http://glench.com/articles/delusion-structure-sociopaths.html


Dr. Hare calls these cases "sub criminal."

In his book, Without Conscience, he states:

"They appear to function reasonably well as lawyers, doctors, psychiatrists, academics, mercenaries, police officers, cult leaders, military personnel, businesspeople, writers, artists, entertainers and so forth without breaking the law, or at least without being caught and convicted. These individuals are every bit as egocentric, callous and manipulative as the average criminal psychopath; however, their intelligence, family background, social skills and circumstances permit them to construct a facade of normalcy and to get what they want with relative impunity."*

http://www.helium.com/items/237113-definitions-of-the-behavior-that-indicates-sociopathic-tendencies



Here is someone describing his childhood while growing up with his Diagnosed,SOCIOPATH brother.


Nope, because my brother was diagnosed at age 7, and my parents bent over backwards to give him everything - often times indulging him on MY birthday, giving him gifts and stuff on MY birthday, getting more stuff on Christmas (one christmas, I only received 1 cheap gift, while he had something like 14). My parents were instructed to show him love and nurture his every whim - basically spoil him.

It did nothing. Growing up in that house with my parents kissing his ass and my brother doing whatever the hell he wanted, it was HELL. I often found myself in physical fights with him because he was just attack me - he knew he could get away with it, as I was often the one to be punished.

On other words - following the advice of the experts, my parents gave him everything he wanted. And he took it as an opportunity to do whatever he wanted.

He still does. And he's 25 years old.

http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10483.html

Sociopaths do not have the ability to experience emotion and do not form real attachments to people and places. Without the ability to form real emotional attachments, sociopaths do not have any sense of obligation-no moral obligation or financial obligation. They view people as objects that can be exploited and manipulated. "A sociopath is someone who 'fails to conform to social norms'; or who is 'never monogamous' or who 'fails to honor financial obligations' for the straightforward reason that an obligation of any kind is something one feels toward beings, or toward a group of beings, who matter emotionally. And to a sociopath, we simply do not matter". (Dr. Stout p126)
http://withoutempathy.blogspot.com/2006/01/sociopaths-who-live-among-us.html

So Don't repeat the VAMPIRE MYTH.
The "Vampire Syndrome" basically is ---- boys/girls who are sexually abused, like the victims of "Count Dracula", will go on to "bite" others, in this case, sexually abuse others.

This is of course largely a MYTH, and a rather dangerous one at that. Whilst it is true that some, offenders have histories of sexual abuse, it is NOT true that the vast majority of victims will thus go on to become offenders. Of those offenders whom have a history of abuse, the main difference appears to be that they did not consider themselves to have suffered abuse when young, nor any ill effects from what happened to them. Most offenders consider the event to have been an act of teaching about sex, or as a bonus in some other way, and in no way abuse. The fact that YOU consider yourself to be a victim means that you are in fact very unlikely to offend against others. You realize what damage the abuse has done to you, and thus you have the safe guard of knowing what affect sexual abuse would have on another. More so, you would also see such actions as abuse, where as the vast majority of offenders would not.

http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/vampire_syndrome.html

I recommend you LEARN more about the psychopath.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. We could just run genetic tests on newborn babies

and smother the bad ones.

[undergroundpanther]

65. I wish it was that simple

I'd rather people find out what is causing these assholes to be without a consience and to fix THAT which has not developed or is messed up,and teach NON sociopaths how to protect themselves FROM sociopaths.
If that fails,we would have no other options.



Psychopathy seems to be present in both Western and non-Western cultures, including those that have had minimal exposure to media portrayals of the condition. In a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe “a man who … repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and … takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.” When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied, “Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=what-psychopath-means

What happens when the sociopaths are gone?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03E6DB1E38F930A25757C0A9629C8B63

[undergroundpanther]

47. Oh,forgot to add

Bush-co is full of psychopaths and abusive assholes,So they'd be gone.
Right wing tendencies do point to toxic personality flaws.It is no coincidence.


"These people don't react. They don't care," Raine said. "Why that occurs, we don't fully know, but we are beginning to get important clues from neuro-imaging research."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040311072248.htm

Sound Familiar?

[ZombieHorde]

40. I saw one episode of a cartoon that had a similar theme.

It was called 'Death Note'. It was about a teenager who found a magic notebook. If he wrote someones name in the book, they would die within a minute or five. He wrote down the name of any thug that he could think of.

It was the first episode, I got busy with school and missed the others. I saw a live action version of it on the shelf in a rental store the other day.

[undergroundpanther]

46. Wish I could get my paws on that book.

I would look up crimes ,look for pedophiles,scan for child abusers and write their names down in that book until every fucking asshole abuser was dead.
I tell you something has to give about this shit.The ruthless assholes are killing the planet and ruining humanity.I am so sad for the kids and adult victims of abusive assholes. I want a world where predatory people did not have any access to any victims.So if that means death to all psychopaths rapists pedophiles etc..so be it.

[ColbertWatcher]

4. This is sickening. A kick and rec for more attention. n/t

[BR_Parkway]

5. And even worse, that there would be more than one person involved

One person, you can see that with some serious mental and emotional issues. But to have another just as sick to go along with something like this is really flooring me.

[FedUpWithIt All]

11. Two children were removed from the couple's home.

two very sick people hurting one child while they raised two others. Both of them must have DISCUSSED this.

Just unfathomable.

[mondo joe]

59. There has to be something messed up about anyone married to someone that sick anyway.

So I think the spouse is bound to be as sick, or nearly as sick, under any circumstances.

Sometimes the spouse's sickness manifests in a different way, but I think it's always there.

[Ex Lurker]

67. I hope they nail both of them

my fear is that one will turn on the other and get off relatively light.

[Berry Cool]

7. Just amazing, that people can do this to a kid.

I hope they're found and have to pay for what they did.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

8. Monsters.

:grr: :cry:

That poor boy.

[malaise]

9. And they haven't been arrested yet?

WTF!!

[FedUpWithIt All]

12. They are both arrested but not charged yet. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

10. So, where's all those

"all life is sacred" right-to-lifers? . . . Anyone? **crickets**

[asteroid2003QQ47]

19. "all life is sacred" right-to-lifers AND Bleeding Hearts oft go AWOL ...

at times like this.
---------------------

The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.
--Narrator, IDIOCRACY

[Cleita]

31. I have a theory about why there are so many mean people in the world.

I think somewhere in the copper age, when we tamed horses and then learned to make bronze weapons, waging war became more frequent and eventually became normal through the ages up to the present time. As a matter of fact being a warrior made you a hero as a lot of mythology has lauded them. I think the gentle people were killed and the warlike people took over by being able to breed more and of course, natural selection spread their genes that have become more evident in our populations. I don't know how we select breed back unless women make a conscious effort to not have children with men they think carry these mean genes.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

37. It's probably worse than you think. When I came across this obscure...

bit of information it solved a decades old conundrum for me, albeit, about 50 years too late to do me much good.

The Economist, October 25th 2008
Science and Technology Page 97
"Gender Bending"

7th paragraph

"There are also data that suggest that having a more feminine personality might indeed give a heterosexual male an advantage. Though women prefer traditionally macho men at the time in their menstrual cycles when they are most fertile, at other times they are more attracted to those with feminine traits such as tenderness, considerateness and kindness, as well as those with feminized faces. The explanation usually advanced for this is that macho men will provide the sperm needed to make sexy sons, but the more feminized phenotype makes a better carer and provider--in other words an ideal husband."

As I read it this info came out of a soon to be published paper in Evolution and Human Behavior by Brendan Zietsch of the Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Brisbane, Australia.

Now I know why the meanest macho guys were in such demand.

[undergroundpanther]

44. Another reason for the gentle people

To become assholes to the assholes,yet remain gentle to other gentle people.
It takes a knowlege of what manipulation and abuse is to not become duped by abusive assholes. And it takes the willingness of a gentle person to be ruthless twords ruthless people. I hate the abusers.I want them all to die off.And I am not one bit ashamed to say I hate all abusive ,mean psychopathic assholes and I think they are wastes of skin and these fucktards prevent humanity from progressing,and living in balance and peace on this planet..

[asteroid2003QQ47]

57. With what you say all the way but...

what if, in an evolutionary sense, the gentle people owe their very
existence to the sort of pre-programed behavior as stated in the
Economist article I posted above?
A major dilemma is it not?
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As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
--Narrator, IDIOCRACY

[undeterred]

30. Do you expect them to be posting here?

[Le Taz Hot]

35. There are plenty of right-to-lifers on DU.

Put up an abortion thread and they come out in droves.

[Marrah_G]

13. Yikes..........not sure I want to hear the whole story.

[Norrin Radd]

14. This is good news. He escaped, and his abusers will be punished.

[gollygee]

16. This poor kid :(

What a terrible thing for him to go through. :(

[HillWilliam]

17. And while there are thousands of

gay couples who would give anything to provide safe and loving homes to kids who need them, we're almost consistently told we're not good enough. Then stories like this come up week after week after week after week. WTF are we supposed to think, here?

This whole scenario is offensive on so many levels. I hurt for that poor kid. I want to smack that couple into the middle of next week then kick their arses on Thursday. I sorrow for all the other couples of whatever orientation who would have given anything to have loved that kid and would have done anything to help him grow into a strong, stable, secure young man.

This is just so wrong.

[FedUpWithIt All]

18. In this case i think it is kidnapping rather than a foster parent situation.

He was kidnapped leaving a foster home.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that sexual orientation is not/should not be a factor in deciding whether a couple is capable of raising a child in a loving home.


A loving home is a loving home and an abusive home is an abusive home and it is a simple as that.
:hi:

[LisaL]

48. This might not be what is typically considered a kidnapping.

"Police still were seeking Caren Ramirez, 43, who they said may be the boy's aunt, on suspicion of participating in the alleged abuse. Ramirez also has an outstanding felony warrant for an earlier alleged assault against the boy, police added."


http://cbs5.com/crime/shackled.teen.torture.2.877888.html

[FedUpWithIt All]

50. Non-custodial family members taking a child from their custodial residence is kidnapping.

The boy ran away but the non-custodial adults kept him captive. That IS kidnapping.

[slackmaster]

23. Kudos to HillWilliam!

Great reply, welcome to DU!

[Enrique]

21. i'm shocked

this happened in a state other than Florida! :wow:

[slackmaster]

22. In before someone blames the economy for forcing those foster parents to starve and confine the boy

:argh:

[greguganus]

26. Not foster parents. He says he ran away from orphanage and was kidnapped. n/t

[FedUpWithIt All]

27. They were not his foster parents. The kidnapped him while he was trying to leave a foster home.n/t

[JonQ]

25. The article said they're interviewing the couple

who are suspected of doing this. I really hope (assuming they are the right couple) they get the maximum punishment available.

Absolutely despicable to treat a child this way, especially since there are so many options for parents who don't want their kids.

[FedUpWithIt All]

28. They kidnapped this boy. They are not his foster, adoptive or natural parents.n/t

[JonQ]

32. I may have read over that bit

[FedUpWithIt All]

33. Welcome to DU, BTW.

:hi:

[JonQ]

34. Hello!

:fistbump:

[riqster]

29. Execute child abusers the first time they offend

Try them, give them their rights until conviction, then kill 'em. Eventually, we'll run out of child abusers, and their warped DNA will be removed from the gene pool.

:rant:

(By the way, child abusers are the only class of criminals I feel this way about, and I acknowledge my lack of objectivity on this issue. Just had to vent.)

[undergroundpanther]

45. Agree with you.

Do the same with rapists and pedophiles. Eventually there will be no more of them.Make these assholes extinct.

[Pastiche423]

36. Update

Dec 2, 2008 10:09 am US/Pacific

Tracy Couple Jailed, 3rd Sought In Teen Torture

-snip-

Investigators arrested Kelly Lau Schumacher, 30, and Michael Schumacher, 34, late Monday, said Matt Robinson, a Tracy police spokesman.

The couple were taken into custody for questioning earlier in the day at the home in Tracy, where the boy was allegedly held against his will. A midnight search of the home turned up further evidence implicating the couple, Robinson said.

Police were also searching for a third suspect but wouldn't release any details.

Michael Schumacher was being held Tuesday at San Joaquin County Jail on bail of nearly $1.2 million. His wife was still being questioned by police.

[FedUpWithIt All]

38. Do you have a link to this?

:hi:

[Pastiche423]

39. The snip of article I posted has already been updated again

http://cbs5.com/crime/shackled.teen.torture.2.877888.html

It was on the same page as the original article.

[FedUpWithIt All]

41. Thanks. Sick, sad story. n/t

[marshall]

51. Why is "emaciated" in quotation marks?

Shouldn't it be: "Shackled", "bruised" and "emaciated" teen escapes couple? The quotation marks around that word alone make it sound as if there is some reason to believe he wasn't really emaciated.

[FedUpWithIt All]

53. At the time of the original article, i believe it was unclear if he was emaciated.

The shackles and bruises were clear. I posted here while the article still had limited information.

[marshall]

58. Thanks for clearing that up

I didn't think this was some kind of hoax.

[mondo joe]

52. Good thing they were a hetero couple and as a result weren't a danger like some gay couple

of parents would have been.

[FedUpWithIt All]

54. They were not his parents. This was a kidnapping. n/t

[mondo joe]

56. I'm aware of that.

But in the world of gay-hate, hetero couples are by definition good and trustworthy, gay couples by definition are not.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

55. Look at who the criminal is!

"Robinson said authorities are questioning 30-year-old Kelly Lau Schumacher and 34-year-old Michael Schumacher, adding that the couple has not been arrested or charged."