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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:47 PM
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Is gay the new black? Marriage ban spurs debate
NEW YORK (AP) — Gay is the new black, say the protest signs and magazine covers, casting the gay marriage battle as the last frontier of equal rights for all.

Gay marriage is not a civil right, opponents counter, insisting that minority status comes from who you are rather than what you do.


In a cover story for the Advocate magazine titled "Gay is the New Black," Michael Joseph Gross wrote, "These past few years we've made so much progress that we'd begun to think everybody saw us as we see ourselves. Suddenly we were faced with the reality that a majority of voters don't like us, don't think we're normal, don't believe our lives and loves count as much or are worth as much as theirs."


I do not consider (gays) to be a minority in legal and adjudicated terms, the same way people who only like to eat broccoli with butter aren't a minority," said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. "We can't categorize things according to behavior. It's based on ethnicity, on who we are rather than what we do."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i-e9Hd1B5Fe4p7g_Njtb80yTSP0AD94PCNBO0
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:48 PM
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1. Being gay IS who we are, Reverend Uninformed.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:49 PM
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2. As I've said many times
The arguments against gay marriage are the same arguments against miscegenation.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:49 PM
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3. 1. What in ignorant boob, and 2.
2. We protect "behavior" all the time in the country, for example, going to church and behaving as a "Reverend".
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:56 PM
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4. But isn't gay who you are?
I mean, science has shown that the brains in homosexuals are different than the brains of heterosexuals of the same gender. Sexual orientation isn't a lifestyle choice as the article implies.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:58 PM
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5. If the christ-nuts had their way I really believe they would eventually set up death camps
Rev. Rodriguez and his ilk are the very face of evil.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:00 PM
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6. Funny. Gay is "who we are" when being gay denies us jobs or housing, whether there
is action or not.

A gay person who isn't having sex with anyone can be legally discriminated against in many areas. That's based on who we are, not behavior.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:06 PM
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7. why havent people figured it out
black person is born black.
gay person is born gay.


black person is discriminated against because he/she is black.
gay person is discriminated against because he/she is gay.
its pretty simple.

whether black people or gay people have sex or dont have sex has nothing to do with anything.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:07 PM
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8. I defy anyone to explain how being gay is just a behavior when people who have
never had sex are gay.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:14 PM
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10. Good point.
Not like you're expected to be having sex in those foxholes, for instance...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:13 PM
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9. Isn't that more than a little assumptive?
"what you do"??

How does anyone know what anyone else "does"? And why in the world should that become anyone's business, anyway?

This isn't about sex. Good grief. The sooner we get that clear, the better. This isn't about simple sexual preferences. This is about orientation - something that, whether developed via nature or nurture, is innate. Every bit as much a part of someone as their skin color.

I hate that stupid argument.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:24 PM
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11. Marriage is a behavior and a choice, Rev. Rodriguez.
And you aren't entitled to make those choices for other people, you asshole. :grr:
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