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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 07:59 PM Original message |
Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Yep. n/t |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. '06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him. |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere. |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance -- |
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Titonwan (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
73. YES WE CAN! |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Good find that. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. k & r |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Obama knows that the world is watching.. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. The world is indeed watching |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Well, I agree with you. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I guess I wasn't terribly clear |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ... |
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bobd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes. |
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trollybob (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest, |
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PuppyBismark (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
76. International Courts Can Ignore Pardons! |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor" |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves. |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. well sure.... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
69. Good Post |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions".. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Indeed. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real.... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. what to do |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
57. The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix? |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
64. I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
46. Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
56. Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. "the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff." |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. k& r |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Yeah, that'll happen. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
71. It may well. If demanded. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. "How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..." |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. it just goes to show.... |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
27. Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
29. Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
33. Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
34. Truth commission |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. kick... |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
41. The International community |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
43. This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. "Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over.. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
70. Yes |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
54. Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking". |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody. |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt |
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meowomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
66. War crimes must be punished |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 04:50 AM Response to Original message |
67. That's a non-choice for Obama |
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shoeshock (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
72. George W. Bush Belongs in Prison |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
75. Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which |
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