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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:21 PM
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Know Your Enemy - Applying the lessons of 9/11 to Mumbai.
As I write, the world's experts still have no idea which organization carried out the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and I have no better idea myself. The Indian government suspects Pakistani groups, but some eyewitnesses said the gunmen spoke Hindi, which could mean that they were of Indian origin. The attacks, carried out on several targets simultaneously, reminded some of al-Qaida, but the gunmen were not suicide bombers, and they did not use standard al-Qaida technology. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujaheddin has claimed responsibility, but no one has heard this name before. One anonymous "U.S. counterterrorism official" mentioned the names of a few other groups—Lashkar-i-Taiba, which means "Army of the Pious," and Jaish-i-Muhammad, or "Soldiers of Muhammad"—but even off the record he refused to be drawn further. "It's still too early for hard and fast conclusions."
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At that time, readers will recall, al-Qaida was widely described as something new: Unlike terrorist groups of the past, many noted that it operated not as a single, secretive organization but more like a global franchise. Groups and individuals with various agendas could come to al-Qaida for weapons and training. Afterward, they could, in effect, set up their own local branches, whose goals and methods might reflect the original, Saudi-inspired, al-Qaida ideology—or might not. Some predicted that al-Qaida would even inspire copycat movements, much as McDonald's inspired Burger King. Groups with no connection to Osama Bin Laden—and no interest in being connected to Osama Bin Laden—might imitate some of his methods and tactics. By definition, the members of such groups would be civilians, sometimes living ordinary lives. They would not be combatants, in the ordinary sense of the word. They would not wear uniforms, follow rules, or organize themselves into anything resembling a traditional army. And they could not, therefore, be fought using traditional military methods alone.
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Only later, in both places, did we find ourselves contending with groups invariably described as "shadowy," with enemies who melted in and out of the civilian population, with terrorist cells that might be connected to al-Qaida, to Pakistan, to Iran—or might not. It took some time before we understood that our opponents in Iraq were not merely disgruntled Baathists but encompassed a range of both Sunni and Shiite groups with different agendas. Only now, for that matter, do we fully understand the degree to which the very word Taliban is misleading: Though the term implies a definite group with clear goals, American commanders in Afghanistan now understand very well that what they call Taliban is also an amalgamation of insurgents, some of whom fight for tribal interests, others for money, and only some for a clear-cut ideological cause.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2205685/

I don't think our government has still learned much.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:25 PM
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1. One thing is universal with all groups whether they are standard armies
or terrorist cells, they have to be financed. Find out this important clue and the rest will be much easier to understand.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:28 PM
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2. True!
In a lot of cases, the best suggestion is "follow the money."
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:32 PM
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5. Not to mention asking "Qui bono?"
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:33 PM
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7. I wouldn't even want to guess what Bush might think that meant. nt
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:30 PM
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3. our war on terror was the greatest gift to charismatic radical islamist leaders everywhere
Edited on Fri Nov-28-08 02:31 PM by datasuspect
for guys in mosques and madrassahs who inspire legions of young men to give their bodies and souls to the sacred cause of jihad in the hopes of eventual martyrdom.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:30 PM
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4. They'd better invade Guatemala
just to make sure they're covering all their bases.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:32 PM
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6. "The BFEE did not have finance with those terrorists, the Mumbaisters. Smirk." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Fri Nov-28-08 02:33 PM by SpiralHawk
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:59 PM
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8. The only thing missing is Jim McKay
Watching some of the coverage reminded me a lot of the Black September attacks on the Olympic Village in 1972. Heavily armed young freedom fighters slaughtering the oppressive "war on terror" masters while shouting death to America.



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