The sad truth is that no one knows how this will all end up?

[kentuck]

We can only guess.

Some may believe that Barack Obama was chosen as our President for a reason that is beyond our comprehension? He is all part of a Plan of some sort?

We don't know how many people will be unemployed 6 months from now or a year from now? We have no idea the reactions to all those lost jobs? Maybe there will be rioting in the streets? Maybe there will be blacks protesting as they did in Detroit in 1968? We could only imagine the demands that would be put upon the first black President??

It's the curse of the Chinese, literally. "May you live in interesting times"? Perhaps it is all reparable by thinking positively and ignoring as much of the negativity as possible?

No one knows where we will be this time next year. Let us all chart a course and hang together. The truth shall set us free.

[BlueManDude]

1. But we do know that smart, rational people will be making the decisions...

as opposed to ignorant fantasists.

[kentuck]

2. That alone is cause for optimism..

and celebration, I suppose? At least now, we know we have a chance.

[Dis Pater]

3. "Some may believe that ..Obama was chosen as our Pres. for a reason that is beyond ourcomprehension?

huh?

[democracy1st]

4. I know!

[rug]

5. He was elected because Bush fucked up for 8 years. That's not too hard to comprehend.

And if the government is pledging 60% of every single thing produced in this country to prop up a failed capitalist system, I have a pretty good idea where things are headed.

[kentuck]

6. Where do you think we are headed, rug??

What do you see one year from now? Do you see peace and prosperity? Do you see worse conditions than now? What do you think?

[rug]

7. If it's so drastic that the government has to pledge 60% of the GDP

to banks and multinational corporations:

1) They are not salvageable.

2) The government is going down with them.

3) There will be zero social service, health care or infrastructure programs funded.

4) The only thing to be funded will be police agencies and the military to salvage the government.

5) The result will be authoritarian rule or revolt.

You can't pledge 60% of a nation's resources to banks and brokers and expect a good result.

[kentuck]

8. I think you are not alone with those fears.

And they have no plan to stop now. They plan to ask for more.....much more.

[rug]

9. It's almost unbelievable how much the Government is pledging and aligning directly with these corps.

By contrast, WW2 spending peaked at 47% of the GDP.

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/tassava.WWII

[kentuck]

10. You are right.

There really is only one political Party, the Property Party. Where are the politicians that represent the People, the common Folk, You and I ??

[Dis Pater]

11. Obama is head of the Property Party?

wow.

[kentuck]

13. As are you.

Not intentionally, I am sure.

[Dis Pater]

17. A little over indulgence of the Thanksgiving libations?

[kentuck]

18. Perhaps?

Or perhaps not quite enough yet? :shrug:

[Dis Pater]

19. Do you always use question marks to end sentences?

[kentuck]

20. Only when it is questionable.

Do you ever ask questions??

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Hmmm reaches for that history of the Great Depression....

and points to it and the SPENDING at the time....

Oh never mind...

After all John Maynard Keynes didn't know what they were doing either.

(Yes, the US did SPEND that high of a percentage of GNP at the time as well)

[rug]

22. (No, it didn't)

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. So you are telling me that we didn't spend a red cent

on the WPA?

Who knew?

I guess John Maynard Keynes dreamed that too.

(In current monies that was about 1T)

[rug]

26. Nowhere near what is being pledged and loaned to private capital today.

And not a red cent today enacted for public works.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Histrory lesson is in order

the very early work to stem the depression didn't include public works either... but I am possitive you already knew that

That is comming, just as it came back then.. and Obama could not have been clearer on that, in fact, far more clear in that respect than FDR was after the election and lord knows he had far more of a mandate too.

This will not come until the Democrat is sworn in... just like it didn't come until Hoover was out of office

What is the old saying?

Oh yesh, those who refuse to learn from history and all that...

The echoes and parallels ARE astounding... all the way to the TARP by the way... and very EARLY home loans programs

[rug]

30. This has as much parallel to the 30s as a cell phone to a switchboard.

It is no longer the age of European empires and leisurely stock trading while reading a ticker tape.

Furthermore, Hoover didn't pledge 60% of the GDP to private firms before FDR began public works.

What is that old saying?

Oh yes, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of . . . oh, you know the rest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Hmmm reaches for that history of the Great Depression....

and points to it and the SPENDING at the time....

Oh never mind...

After all John Maynard Keynes didn't know what they were doing either.

(Yes, the US did SPEND that high of a percentage of GNP at the time as well)

[Indiana_Dem]

21. Well, if anybody has to be my authoritarian ruler then I'd rather have the Obama side than the.

McCain side. My momma always said we are not in control but we just get to pick who controls us.

[datasuspect]

25. i'd rather have fundamental liberty and the chance to engage the money system

with more power than a vassal.

[TahitiNut]

12. Not to be too pedantic, it was 1967, not 1968.

Since I lived and worked in the midst of the riots, it's more than just trivia to me. After all, it was my 'hood and my neighbors. Kin.

Those were "interesting times," too.
Indeed, little did I know what was coming, even though so much had already happened and WAS happening.

[kentuck]

14. I should have known..

My sister was living in Detroit at that time, also.

[datasuspect]

24. i think a good percentage of chicago's west side was burned to the ground

in 1968 after the assassination of MLK. riots flared up in other cities too.

[TahitiNut]

29. Yup. I'd been drafted and inducted by then, finishing basic and headed for Ft. Sam.

Detroit got most of it out of our system in 1967, so the unrest in 1968 was very minor compared to other places and compared to 1967. Chicago, Baltimore, and Washington were the worst. Indianapolis, famously, was quiet, but other cities broke loose. The sense of loss was devastating.

[cali]

27. nothing new about that. no one ever really knows what the future

will bring.