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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:09 AM Original message |
High Speed Rail coming to America - Kerry drops landmark bill |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. if the US could only get a "European-styled" transit system |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Might possibly work if America |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. America (the US) is the same size as Europe. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. small countries? |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. High speed rail? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. "high speed" |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Exactly ... those 200 mph trains are wonderful. It would put so many |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. The last time I was in Europe the trains were quite slow |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. not too fast, but cheap and easy. |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. How long ago were you riding the trains there? The TGV, for instance, |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I was there in 1970 |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I was there in the 90s. |
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bikebloke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. I'd heard the same, but |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
66. My family and I were in Europe in 1993 |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. depends |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. How about Boston to Chicago |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Give the Lakeshore dedicated track and you can go 150 mph the whole way with current railstock. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Where's Lakeshore? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Boston to Chicago. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. Kerry's been working on this for a long time. We'd have highspeed rail up and running by now |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. We might even have had it if Carter had been re-elected |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Or Dukakis elected. nt |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. Connecting Atlanta to Boston? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. The stretch between Atlanta and Boston is one of the most heavily traveled. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I took the overnight train to a conference in Atlanta from DC. Worked great. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. And that would make the roads safer, too. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
50. I wasn't aware of that |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Why not Atlanta to Boston, and connect all major cities with high speed rail? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. long haul |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Why? Do you think the northeast deserves everything? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Trains work better where population is dense and there is mass transit. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. That is my point, in another thread. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. With its own track current railstock can easily go 150. TRACK, not trains is the limitation. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Sounds like a project for the new CCC. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. That's exactly the way i see it - this would be a huge JOBS program with tangible results |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. may I ask how you know? It seems like you've studied this subject a bit and are more fully versed |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. the competition is heavily subsidized |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
67. Passive non-super-conducting maglev would enable HSR to go 300. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Also, TGV can go 200-250 and connect seamlessly to existing local lines. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. Traitor Joe is a co-sponsor on this bill |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Kerry wrote the bill so I don't care if Lieberman is a co-sponsors, and |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Me either. I just cited it as an example of why they kept him in the caucus. nt |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Lieberman has always been good on the environment. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's about time. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Let's see $40bn annual subsidy for highways, and $1.4bn annual subsidy for rail...nt |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. And how much do we subsidize air travel? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. That drives me INSANE that only rail "has to pay for itself." Air travel is HUGELY... |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
19. I'd like to see a rail system... |
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darkism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Amtrak Auto Train, Lorton, VA to Sanford, FL |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I hear ya, 2 years ago it took me a day and a half by train what I could have driven in 9 hours. |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
22. Can't Wait |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. what a beautiful elegant idea -- |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. Curious about a system connecting most major cities, I just made this: |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Have to link Chicago with St. Louis. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. heh....send that to Kerry's office. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Something like this would be great |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. Looks good! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
32. SUPERTRAIN! |
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ohtransplant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. K&R! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh please God let that happen |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
53. Thanks for the shout out, Prosense. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Your updates were well worth going back to read a second time. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Thanks for the great diary. n/t |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
57. California just passed a high speed rail initiative |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
60. How about a New UPS or FED-Ex.. Employing MILLIONS! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. If we have high speed rail, it should include package delivery and bring those costs down, too. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. ohh PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this happen! |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
63. Good. Kerry has always supported transit. But keep in mind HSR will not fund urban commuter transit |
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