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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:21 PM Original message |
Raising Taxes on the Wealthy During a Recession |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. K and R. nt |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. I'll counter with a Lincoln |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #83 |
108. the second quote |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
116. Raising some millionaire's marginal tax rate by 3% is hardly tearing his house down |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. That's exactly what Lincoln was talking about |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. hardly |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Lincoln on labor and capital |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. K R |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. No better time to do it. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Agreed. n/t |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't think it would hurt the economy to do this at this |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. Resend every tax cut Bush put in place the first week in office |
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NYVet (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
41. The President doesn't have that power. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I very much disagree |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. Why not, we have majorities in both houses. |
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NYVet (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
111. cowardice |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Cowardice or self-interest? |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
45. ....... |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
86. Rescind |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. The chart deserves its own display. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Thank you for posting this |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. True, but Cal is showing us today that you don't want to become too dependent on the rich either. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Obama's campaign pledge was to reverse the Bush tax cuts for the rich back to tax rates that existed |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. If Obama doesn't reverse these tax cuts and instead lets them expire... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Yes, I certainly do think so |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I was speaking to the general point of your post and not to Obama's plan specifically. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I didn't mean to imply that reversing the Bush tax cuts is a panacea or that it is the only thing |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. false premise |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. Apples and oranges. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. no I am not |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
99. I agree with you, Two Americas |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. yes |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. no, he's asking a question, which is why is everybody so "poor" & insecure when |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. "A billionaire who's yearly income was $0"? Fine. Still a billionaire. Tax the billions. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. I know a few very rich people. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. I've worked for several billionaires... |
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Dumak (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
121. The rich people I know hoard properties as an investment |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
68. Immediate reinstatement of the inheritance tax would help. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
92. We need to restore the balance in our economy as well as our control |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. I understood him to say that he would not renew them. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. no |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Did you even read my post? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. yes |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I will try again |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. You're wrong on that. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. nor am I |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Now THIS is some "Lincoln" Obama should be reading! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. it is amazing |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Very interesting speeches by Lincoln |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. beyond that |
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foxer (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
98. A healthy economy depends on the middle class |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. how will you make any money |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
101. The wealth of the wealthy can only increase if less wealthy people |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
90. The rich are being hit, but the middle class is also being hit. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R! nt |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. K & R. This is very interesting, well thought out and well researched. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. K&R! |
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Azlady (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. K & R |
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crazylikafox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
14. Great information. Thanks. k&r & bookmarked |
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MikeNearMcChord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Also increase the inheritance tax. |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
114. ..and foundations and trusts which do the same thing... n/t |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. K & R. Thanks for this thread. Very interesting and informative graphs. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. But if the wealthy have to pay higher taxes |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. Obama has already lost his nerve--we've got a Pelosi president elect. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You got that right |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Should've voted for McKinney. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Laugh all you want |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
102. Should've voted for Edwards (I did but then got mad at him), but that is for another day. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
29. Cynthia ain't getting elected. Maybe not even if she got the votes |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
109. that is not how democracy works |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. Something to bring to your attention |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
73. Yes, loopholes are inportant |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Of course repealing the Bush tax cuts will |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yes, the capital gains taxes -- and the inheritance taxes too |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
113. If it's going to get done it has to be early in the term |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
32. Rec'd. I completely agree with you, but, I wouldn't mind too much |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
87. Politically, it's dangerous to wait a year or two. It might not happen. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
33. I also think this is the strongest time politically |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
34. What's happening to the filthy rich is not a tax increase ... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
35. Thank you for this important thread. Very worthwhile, valuable information. K & R. |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
37. kr |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. Good Post |
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4_TN_TITANS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
39. K & R.... brilliant analysis. |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. Additionally, |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
42. We gotta get some money from somewhere. What's so damn |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. K & R |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
48. K & R ... |
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Poiuyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. Thom Hartmann pointed out the other day that every time there has been a tax cut, |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
117. Right, because no one ever pays the top marginal tax rate when it's very high |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
54. I do not get it either. This is not a campaign promise to renege on. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. Fairness aside, the wealthy are the only people left to tax. Everyone else is broke and jobless. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
58. excellent-thank you for this. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
59. How do you know Obama taking advice from MSM ? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I don't |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
60. Top 1% also has 40% of the money. When the top 1% is examined |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. An L curve! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Just takes time and a compliant group of gatekeepers, who believe that |
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hangman86 (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
64. Can someone please explain this to me. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I wish I could |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
103. First they come for your blackberry . . . . |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. He was sat down and got this "talk". |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. "You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale!" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Something along the lines of, "You have such a lovely family here, it would be a shame is anything |
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hangman86 (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Though that is very sad |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. 32 years and a front row seat ago and we still pretend it ain't so. Paddy Chayefsky |
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hangman86 (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I don't quite remember that speech |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
66. I posted this on another thread, but it seems at least as apposite here: |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
67. Those tax cuts did America no good whatsoever, in fact... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
110. We just need to ask ourselves this: |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. Bingo! |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
70. I might feel a little sorry for the ueber-rich... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. JP Morgan Jr paid NO taxes during the Hoover Depression for several years. This revelation may have |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
79. Thom Hartman discusses this almost daily..... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
81. It's a lie that raising taxes on the rich hurts the economy - the rich don't boost the economy. |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Agreed. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
84. The "Rich" Sponge Wealth off the Production of workers |
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foxer (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. Their more like leaches |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. any time is a good time to raise taxes on the wealthy |
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lelgt60 (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
94. Yes - but not just an income tax - a wealth tax |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
105. Y E S! Tax them hard and spend it on what is badly needed |
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wundermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
106. Taxing the rich more than the poor... |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
112. He said he's considering it.. not actually doing it. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
120. Obama is using a strategem that is wise. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
122. They're doing it in their pants! Partly, because they know the only way the |
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WilliamHenryMee (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
125. I am not an economist but have been called upon to play one.... |
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