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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:40 PM Original message |
What will our cars be running on in the future? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. empty |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What HE said (above) |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Methane. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Methanol fuel cells |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. I don't see how we can produce enough Methanol to make that happen. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. It would be a very difficult task I admit |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. OK, I was only thinking bio mass as a source |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I'm not sure that natural gas is sufficiently plentiful in North America |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. There is also..... CO2 + 3H2 ---> CH3OH + H2O |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. So what do you think that the EROEI or net energy would be on this? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Pickens has refined his proposal |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. Soylent Green |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Beat me to it!! |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. Batteries within 50 years |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. Electricity. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I tend to agree with you. So should the "Big 3" propose electric vehicles |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Yes. They need to be cranking out Volt-type vehicles ASAP. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. even though the battery technology isn't there yet? and there is no infrastructure |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. The technology is here and now. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Bingo! n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Chipmunk power n/t |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
9. hydrogen, i hope. |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. perhaps they'll run on actual horse power |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. garbage |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ultimately? Hydrogen. Its only a question of how long. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. and where do we get the hydrogen from? |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the universe |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Hydrogen isn't in the cards. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. Diatoms of the Best Kine....56 KM pl roughly 200 mpg |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Gasoline |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. Tibanna gas... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. Human gas... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
19. Why do you hate the Baby Jesus? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. why do you think the demise of our manufacturing industry is a joke? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Huh? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I guess I misunderstood. I was also trying to make the point |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Cars will cease to become the primary mode of transportation... |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. what time frame do you have in mind for that? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. No, more like a decade or two... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. The current generating capacity is dramatically underutilized |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. There is plenty of energy |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Well, hydrogen is out, its a pain to store, and is an inefficient energy carrier... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
27. The people of India, Mexico and France will be driving vehicles |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. that is a reasonable solution |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I have never understood the rationale behind allowing for SUV's |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. Republican tears. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. The more important question is: if they exist at all, what will they look like |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I am not a car designer but... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. If you must start with the engine and fuel storage, why did some of the earliest cars |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. It's the prisoner's dillema of Game Theory, people are afraid of getting killed in a car accident... |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hydrogen |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. If Big business has its way (and it probably will), coal. |
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zorahopkins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
49. Empty? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. Fumes... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
53. Mr. Fusion |
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pork medley (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
54. The blood, sweat and tears of the third world. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
56. The car of the future |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
58. Pyrolysed wood and biomass. (Wood-gas) nt |
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