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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:05 PM
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What will happen if farmers can't get loans to plant crops?
Somebody asked me this and I hadn't thought about it. I imagine farmers have to operate off of borrowed money like everybody else. The cost of operating a farm isn't cheap and equipment is very expensive. What happens if they can't get or can't pay off loans?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:11 PM
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1. Willie Nelson comes and sings "We are the World"
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:13 PM
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3. Now that...
is funny. :rofl: :hi:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:54 PM
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9. And Michael Jackson follows for the next line, "We are the Children"
:scared:
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:13 PM
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2. We go hungry.
These next couple of years are looking bleak, a lot of farmers are totally up to their ears in debt and if they foreclose on their farms that means no food for you and I.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:19 PM
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4. Monsanto would like that. They are still developing their Frankinfeeds
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:21 PM
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5. Stock up on canned goods to get us through the next year...
and if you have a freezer on a generator, maybe stock up on some frozen stuff, too. It's all we can do ...those of us who can't grow our own.
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:47 PM
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6. Soylent Green
...Is People!!!!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:52 PM
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15. Dammit!!! beat me to it!!!
:rofl:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:48 PM
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7. Then this debate about obese airline seats will be no more
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 07:50 PM
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8. they have to buy a lot of things up front, some have payrolls to meet... :(
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HubertHeaver Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 09:44 PM
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10. They don't plant.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:38 PM
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11. Depends on where you are
I would say if you are on the East coast....Southern states.....West coast....or state bordering Canada.....it's time to panic!!

Anywhere else you'll probably be alright.....
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:47 PM
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12. Beef has been comparatively affordable
which means they are culling the herds because of feed concerns. Its possible that its already happening.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:01 AM
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18. Exactly. My dad sold off all his beef cattle and most of his hogs this summer
It's more profitable to sell the corn and soy directly than feed it to livestock at this point. Come next year and meat prices may skyrocket.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:48 PM
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13. We're going to have to start doing/allowing some things whether people have the money or NOT! Do
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:48 PM by codjh9
we starve because the farmers can't get a loan? Talk about getting priorities straight!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:49 PM
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14. What happened in the 1930s... the same thing
many folks lost their farms back then for similar reasons
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:13 PM
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16. farm loan programs
Thanks to Democrats and the New Deal, this challenge has long since been successfully met. It is a model that we should be referring to in other crises we face now. It is a stellar example of successful socialism.

"The nationwide depression that deepened in 1929, and continued into the 1930s, accelerated the problems of rural America. Upon assuming office, President Roosevelt acted quickly to establish a means to revive financially the farm economy. By Executive Order, the President created the Farm Credit Administration, thereby concentrating the supervision and authority over the floundering rural assistance programs."

"Thereafter, Congress enacted the Farm Credit Act of 1933, establishing a system of production credit corporations and associations, with financing from the Federal intermediate credit banks, to provide operating loans to farmers on a short-term credit basis. That legislation also brought into the Farm Credit Administration the banks for cooperatives. In the same year, the Emergency Farm Mortgage Act provided for refunding and revising the operations of the Federal land bank associations to meet the problems of farm foreclosures and debt defaults."

History of the Farm Credit System -
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/rabobankbuyout/history.pdf

Historical Highlights of FCA and the FCS -

1929 - The Great Depression begins. Many farmers, unable to pay their expenses and loan payments, abandon their farms. The great number of nonperforming loans leads to dire financial instability for the land banks and farm loan associations.
1932 President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt immediately sets to work to relieve the hardship of the Nation’s farmers. He orders his agriculture advisor, Henry Morgenthau Jr., to see that an Executive order is drawn up that consolidates all Federal agencies that extend farm credit. He also orders two bills to be drafted: one to offer emergency financing to farmers in danger of losing their farms and one to establish a comprehensive, reliable system of farm credit. Morgenthau charges his technical advisor, William I. Myers of Cornell University, with these tasks.


1933 - Myers, along with Rep. Marvin Jones, chairman of the House Committee on Agriculture, writes the Executive order consolidating all agricultural credit agencies and names the new agency the Farm Credit Administration. The two men also write the Emergency Farm Mortgage Act to provide emergency financing to save farms whose owners are delinquent in their loans and the Farm Credit Act to establish the cooperative Farm Credit System. Some 40,000 farmers apply for loan restructuring in the first few months to save their farms.

Morgenthau is named the first Governor of the Farm Credit Administration when Roosevelt takes office and the Farm Credit Act takes effect; Myers is named Deputy Governor. When Morgenthau becomes Acting and Under Secretary of the Treasury later that year, Myers becomes Governor.

Myers, considered the principal architect of the Farm Credit System, champions the ideal that FCA and the System should remain independent and free of political coercion. He exhorts farmers and their cooperatives to strive to become free of Government capital and subsidies as soon as possible.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:cNKZPZOcOEAJ:www.fca.gov/about/history/highlights.html+federal+farm+credit+programs+history&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us


FARM CREDIT ADMINISTRATION

(FCA), an independent agency of the executive branch of the federal government that supervises and coordinates the Farm Credit System for American agriculture. The Farm Credit Act of 1971, which superseded all previous legislation, established the FCA to provide long-term and short-term credit to farmers and their cooperatives. Long-term mortgage loans help farmers acquire property or refinance existing debts; short-term loans are needed to finance crop and livestock production and marketing. In addition, the FCA makes emergency crop and feed loans to farmers who cannot obtain funds from other sources.

Credit used by farmers and cooperatives derives from the FCA through a network of farm credit banks, federal land bank associations, production credit associations, and banks for cooperatives. The farm credit banks make loans to agricultural cooperatives for periods ranging from six months to three years. The loans are secured by warehouse receipts for crops or by liens on livestock. The land banks function as credit wholesalers, raising funds in the investment markets through the sale of bonds and lending the money to farmers at low interest rates. Production credit associations finance short-term credit associations, and banks for cooperatives finance cooperative marketing. Other components of the Farm Credit system include the Agricultural Credit Bank, agricultural credit associations, and federal land credit associations.

http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/farm-credit-administration.jsp
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calikid Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:32 PM
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17. We aren't having any problems
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:33 PM by calikid
Two Americas answers the question. I'm a farmer in the Sacramento Valley, no problems here, even though I am highly leveraged.
Yes, equipment is expensive, but almost impossible to get from John Deere, new or used. The family just bought a used rig, we
had to go to Missouri to buy it.
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