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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:19 AM
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Cocaine users are destroying the rainforest - at 4m squared a gram
Source: UK Guardian

Four square metres of rainforest are destroyed for every gram of cocaine snorted in the UK, a conference of senior police officers as told yesterday.

Francisco Santos Calderón, the vice-president of Colombia, appealed to British users of the class A drug to consider the impact on the environment. He said that while the green agenda would not persuade addicts to give up, the middle-class social user who drove a hybrid car and was concerned about the environment might not take the drug if they knew its impact.

Santos said 300,000 hectares of rainforest were destroyed each year in Colombia to clear land for coca plant cultivation, predominantly controlled by illegal groups, including the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as Farc.

He told the Belfast conference: "If you snort a gram of cocaine, you are destroying 4m square of rainforest and that rainforest is not just Colombian - it belongs to all of us who live on this plant, so we should all be worried about it. Not only that, the money that you use to buy the cocaine goes into the hands of Farc, of illegal groups that plant mines, that kidnap, that kill, that use terrorism to protect their business."



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/19/cocaine-rainforests-columbia-santos-calderon
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:22 AM
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1. I thought eating hamburgers was destroying the rainforest. n/t
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:26 AM
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2. No - that's soy in Brazil
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:37 AM
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10. Cokeburgers!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:30 AM
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3. Make cocaine legal and all those problems go away..
It can be grown on regular farms with renewable resources instead of slash and burn.

And the profits won't go to FARC or whoever the bad guy du jour is..

But that would interfere with the police officer's careers so it can't be done.



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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:40 AM
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4. Actually, the problem isn't cocaine, hamburgers, soy, or lumber
It's too many people on this planet putting more and more pressure on the remaining natural areas. If not one thing, it will be another until human population numbers get under control.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:43 AM
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5. Here! Here! Where's the US politician with cajones enough to address THIS issue?
Where's the leadership on population control?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:35 AM
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8. US birth rate is *already* below ZPG
Without immigration, the US would be declining in population right now.

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:52 AM
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18. But overpopulation is still a major concern
regardless if the birth rate is declining in the US. Too many damn people on this planet. There is no need for anymore. I know that sounds like a bizarre statement but we as a society are killing the planet, one person at a time.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 10:00 AM
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21. I agree, global population is a major problem..
It's just that the industrialized world (except maybe China) is not contributing to that particular problem, at least not directly.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 10:20 AM
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24. While the industrialized world population (minus China) isn't growing
The industrial nations still have populations too large to be sustained in a renewable manner. The industrial nations while their populations are decreasing, still need to figure out a way to further decrease their numbers.

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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:16 AM
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25. That's in the US. Hardly the case in Colombia.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:30 AM
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7. IOW --> religion.
That (religion) pretty much sums up the resistance to birth/population control.


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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:50 AM
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6. Up your nose with a rubber hose!*
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:36 AM
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9. Oh no, now people are going to try to join the Hectare Club.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:42 AM
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11. utter bullshit!
four square meters? That's roughly 150 sq feet.

For a gram?

That's ludricrous, exactly the kind of fantastic nonsense one expects from those selling snake oil.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:45 AM
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13. You're thinking of a square that's 4 meters on each side
4 square meters is 2 meters or roughly 6 feet on each side. That would be about 36 square feet.

I would like to know how they get the number though.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:50 AM
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15. is it 4 meters squared, as stated in the OP, or 4 sq meters, as you state?
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 09:53 AM by TexasObserver
I see the body of the OP says 4 sq meters. The topic title said 4 meters squared. I read the title, but didn't notice the diff in the body.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:52 AM
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17. The article starts with "Four square metres"
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 09:53 AM by JVS
I pretty sure my take on this is correct. Fucking Guardian, pulling a Nigel Tufnell with the measurement
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:55 AM
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19. yeah, I see it's in the body of the OP, but I read the title
I skimmed right past the diff in the body.

Even so, I don't buy it. One gram for 40 sq feet? Sounds like the kind of bullshit that's been churned out for decades to make drug usage sound worse than it is.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:56 AM
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20. Next time I see a gang of those notorious coke-snorting Prius drivers the article mentions...
I'll have to ask them about it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 10:16 AM
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23. I suppose 150 sq feet would be closer to an eight ball
Don't get me wrong. I think cocaine is a scourage, but there are many things I don't approve that I still don't want to see used to send people to prison.

It's the whole insane drug war I find repulsive. George Schultz, and before him the Nixon Commission, got it right 20-35 years ago.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:49 AM
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14. You might want to check your math.
Four square meters is just over forty square feet.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:51 AM
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16. the OP topic title says 4 meters squared
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 09:52 AM by TexasObserver
but I see the body of the OP says 4 sq meters

even so, still sounds ridiculous
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 10:01 AM
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22. "4 meters square(d)" is British for "4 square meters" n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:53 PM
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26. Didn't we fight a couple of wars with them so we could use feet and inches?
I'm pretty sure we stuck our foot up their ass a couple of times.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:45 AM
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12. bulllllllllshit!
Fuck you, Francisco Santos Calderon, please blow yourself up like Alderaan
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