Congressional Democrats hate you more than they hate Lieberman

[Tempest]

Asked what it would mean if Lieberman kept his chairmanship, one Senate Democratic aide said bluntly: "The left has been foiled again. They can rant and rage but they still do not put the fear into folks to actually change their votes. Their influence would be in question."

I hope this puts to rest the notion that this is all some master stroke of kumbayah, of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

This is about telling you that you mean nothing. That democracy is a nice word, but it should never threaten the entitlement of the most exclusive club in the world.

No matter what Joe Lieberman does, the people who are protecting him hate you much more than they hate him.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/lieberman-suck-on-that-liberals/

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. I'm gay, atheist and a genuine progressive. OF COURSE they hate me!

I am everything the Congressional Democrats despise in a voter.

I really wish I could use a sarcasm smiley, but, alas....

[cali]

2. Not my congress critters

and actually I think the post is simplistic.

[gravity]

3. Can't someone disagree with you without hating you?

[otohara]

8. Disagree?

Is that what you call this never ending "screw you" we get from the spineless democrats.

We call, we sign petitions, we write e-mails, we fax, we protest, to no avail. We vote for change twice and yet nothing changes.

Check my Google results looking for those "Keep Joe Lieberman Petitions"
http://www.google.com/search?q=keep+joe+lieberman+petit... - I see ONE on the first page of results vs the many for the removal of Lieberman.

I don't know if they hate us, but they sure don't give a rats ass what we think.

Government for the people is just a slogan, This election isn't about not about me, it's about you....sure it is!

[TahitiNut]

4. Hiya, Temp! Jane nails it again. (I heart FireDogLake.)

:hi: How're things in the hinterland?


(Dear DUers: Tempest is to blame for TahitiNut being on DU. 'Tis he who directed me here back in late 2001 and early 2002. He's to blame. All him. His fault. Yup.)

[Tempest]

7. Things are good

But I don't understand how everyone is now backing off of Lieberman now that the Congressional Democrats are letting him keep his seat as if it's some chess game.

Congressmen and women can't hold their own in a checkers game let alone a chess match.


Liberals and Progressives put Democrats in power and we get rewarded with the middle finger.

[99th_Monkey]

5. So you are basically calling both Obama and Dean naive fools? Please.

The odds are stacked heavily against you, since these two have been batting 1000 for the past two
years on making key decisions together that turned into a landslide victory for Obama/Biden.

In my book, those who refuse to even give Obama/Biden at least their first 100 days in office before
bad-mouthing them are the naive fools.

[tomp]

9. it's a landslide victory for WHOM?

obama and dean, i think, not for me.

only time will tell who the naive fools are. my money is on you.

[99th_Monkey]

12. So let me guess. You voted for Nader?

Otherwise, why would you be bad-mouthing Obama & Dean, 2 months before Obama's even taken office? :shrug:

[Two Americas]

16. unfair and illogical

Why would this mean that a person voted for Nader? The argument against voting for Nader is the lesser of two evils argument. If people embraced that argument, how does that then lead to seeing the people after they are elected as NOT the lesser of two evils? That is not logical.

Why is any and all criticism - entirely consistent with the positions people took before the election - be pejoratively described as "bad mouthing?" That is a way to ridicule and trivialize the people with whom you disagree - a form of ad hominem attack - and is a dishonest and deceptive way to advance your argument.

What difference does it make WHEN people express their opinions? We were told before the election that it was only during the campaign that were to not express our opinions. Now you have set up a new time frame within which criticism is to be seen as inappropriate and not tolerated.

[99th_Monkey]

21. You have every right to express your opinion

and I have every right to disagree with it as well, and point out that Obama has a proven 4 year track
record of making sound strategic and tactical decisions that prove to be correct as reality unfolds.

My "voted for Nader" comment was much more tongue in cheek than you took it to be, to make a point;
but it obviously was not helpful, so it is hereby retracted.

BTW - Once the campaign dust settles, and Obama takes office in Jan. he will need criticism from the Left
to "make him" do the right thing, to remind him in a respectful way of his promises, as he'll be under
tremendous pressure to veer off course.

Before Obama is sworn in as POTUS however, I'm choosing to pretty much withhold any sniping about Obama's
cabinet choices, because I feel he's earned my trust, and needs my support to have the best possible shot
at uniting the country to pull us back out of the Black Hole BushCo has pushed us into.

But diversity of opinions is what makes this country and the Dem party great, so have at it if you must.

[Two Americas]

23. thanks

That will work.

:toast:

[Pastiche423]

10. I do believe it ios you that is a naive fool

[99th_Monkey]

13. Snarky name calling is so lame ... why lower yourself that way? ~nt~

[Pastiche423]

14. lol

I was just throwing back what you threw to any that don't keep mum about their feelings wrt Obama's team building.

As the saying goes... You sure can dish it out, but you take it. :rofl:

[99th_Monkey]

15. Actually

What I REALLY said (since you appear to have forgotten) is that people who are sliming Obama's for burying the hatchet
with Lieberman APPEAR to believe that Obama is a NAIVE FOOL, when all the evidence (how he ran his campaign, fund raised,
broke all kinds of records, made history, etc. over past 2 years) suggests the opposite, i.e. that he KNOWS what the fuck
he's doing, even though it may appear "naive" so some.

Please note that I called NO-ONE any names, which is more than I can say for you at this point. :thumbsdown:

[Pastiche423]

17. Bullshit

"In my book, those who refuse to even give Obama/Biden at least their first 100 days in office before bad-mouthing them are the naive fools."

Your words, not mine.

[99th_Monkey]

19. Ahhh.

yes, yes... those are my words alright. well, I guess I'm busted. I better could have said
"... before bad-mouthing them seem to be ignoring all the evidence suggesting that Obama has
called virtually every decision right from the get-go over past 2 years".

Too late to edit, but this is just for you anyway.

Honestly, I really do attempt to not name-call, but in this case I admit I got a little carried
away, provoking you to do the same ... which is why I try not to do it. Thanks for the reminder.

peace out. :hi:

[Pastiche423]

22. Thank you

Peace to you!

[fla nocount]

18. Don't use those two names in the same sentence least you offend both.

Howard Dean is a man of the people, Obama is a Daley Democrat and all that it implies. Rahm-a Rahm-a Ding-Dong is a Daley Democrat as well.

[texshelters]

6. Hate is a bit strong

but Lieberman's traitorous activities are okay with the hierarchy in the Democratic party and they don't give darn about what we think.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[leftstreet]

11. Lawrence O'Donnell said the left had "nowhere to go"

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/movie_review/an-unreasonable-man.htm

Lawrence O’Donnell: “You get nothing unless you demonstrate that you’re willing to vote against (the Democrats). When I worked for them, I never had to listen to anyone on the left because they had nowhere to go.”

[Dr Fate]

20. Correction: Senate DEMS don't hate Lieberman at all. n/t

n/t