So does this mean that 42 Democratic Senators are compromised?

[hootinholler]

Why else would they vote to keep Lieberfuck as HMFIC of Hoeland Security?

Hmmm?

:shrug:

-Hoot

[Glorfindel]

1. Not compromised; just politicians

They're never going to live up to our expectations. :(

[Gold Metal Flake]

2. Yes.

One way or another. Or maybe it's just your "attitude", as one royalist DUer told me.

[gcomeau]

3. Oh for fuck's sake...

That's it. I'm taking a week off of DU and coming back when the juveniles hopefully have it out of their system. I can't take this crap anymore.

Bitch if they don't try to get us healthcare.

Bitch if they don't try to get us out of Iraq.

Bitch if they don't try to repair the constitution.

But don't come stomping through here whining and complaining because they ARE trying to get us those things and you don't like that in order to do it you get deprived of the petty pleasure of seeing Lieberman get smacked around a bit. Boo freaking Hoo. I don't give a crap about Lieberman if we get or policies enacted and neither should anybody else here. He's one goddamn guy. There are millions of people who need help right now and the forums are swarming with idiots who want to put it in jeopardy by pissing off one of the 100 people in the entire goddamn nation who get a vote in whether we get anything done or not just so they can get their rocks off with a little payback. Yes, the payback would be well earned. Yes, it would be a lovely thing watching Lieberman get what's coming to him. NO, IT IS NOT WORTH MAKING IT HARDER TO GET OUR LEGISLATION THROUGH.

Grow the hell up.

[EFerrari]

8. "The left wanted payback" is spin. There are other, more important issues here.

Like accountability, like Lieberman being a terrible chairman, like leaving HLS oversight to someone like him.

Keeping him was more of a purely political decision than dumping him would have been, for pete's sake.

[dflprincess]

10. And Liebermann has proved he will help get the legislation through?

Explain to me how his recent track record makes you think he's trustworthy?

[demokatgurrl]

26. Exactly. If we're counting on him to vote the right way

we're stupider than I thought.

[johnlal]

17. What do you have to do to get fired in DC?

It's not about petty revenge. It's about responsibility and accountability. You're putting a lot of faith and hope into Lieberman, and he has disappointed every step of the way. Do you really believe that he's going to help the Democrats now? Do you honestly think that Lieberman is going to help to get us out of Iraq? You are so gullible. How many times do you need to be burned?

[hootinholler]

23. Fuck you too asshat

More to come tonight when I have time to post.

The OP wasn't whining.

-Hoot

[LSK]

27. thank you! my sentiments exactly!!!

[EFerrari]

4. Or, maybe that's how many senators Obama can count on?

:shrug:

[Greyhound]

5. The election's over and they need not fear any reprisals now. In two years

we will have forgotten all about this when they bring us out of our Brawndo induced stupor.

[dflprincess]

12. And for the next two years all we will hear from them is

"we have to sell you out on this issue - but just wait until after the 2010 midterms, then things will change" and after that it will be "Obama must get reelected, but after 2012 things will change."

[Greyhound]

25. I see you've seen this show before.

The possibility remains that they will screw up, hurt too many people too badly, and spur a real reaction. If that happens, the mask of altruism and pragmatism will come off and the real fun begins.

I was just thinking, we now have two generations and a start on the third that have no knowledge of life before Raygun. No notion that life can be far easier and the fruits of labor shared more equally. Are these people going to improve the world?

[AndyTiedye]

6. Because of AIPAC

[cali]

13. Yes, yes. it's all the evil Jews

they run the gov't and they own Obama too.

[AndyTiedye]

28. Equating AIPAC with "The Jews" is Like Equating Dick Cheney With "America"

Even this is a flawed analogy, I know, but there is no real equivalent.

AIPAC represents the most bellicose elements in Israel.
Joe Lieberman is their point man in the Senate, but there are quite a few more who will do whatever AIPAC asks of them.

Are they being blackmailed? Very likely. Consider who had access to raw NSA intercepts from their massive spying operation.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Compromised? Nah. Just politicians offering platitudes and excuses as usual.

You know, "unity", "practical politics", "bi-partisanship", "a new tone", and all the other bullshit that politicians sell as "change" while doing nothing but warming their seat and fundraising.

[EFerrari]

9. It's funny how what the left prefers is immediately politicized

but what the center right wing of the party wants is enobling.

lol

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Politics, and politicians, are highly overrated as agents of "change".

If anything, they are ultimate conformists and deeply suspicious of anything that may rock the comfortable boat (I should say yacht) that they are riding in. They're terrified of being outside the much vaunted, and mostly useless, "mainstream".

[natrat]

11. made a deal with the junta for the 350 Billion tablescrap?

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Perhaps they want his vote to break fillibusters and pass legislation?

:shrug:

[movonne]

16. Perhaps he won't vote to pass legislation...

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. Apperently the Democrats in the Senate beleive that he will

Do you know him better than they do?

[johnlal]

18. Can they count on him to do that?

It's not like party loyalty is his strong suit.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. Has he voted with Senate Demcorats most of the time in the past?

:shrug:

[onenote]

19. question: if the HSC chairmanship is so important, why did the repubs give it to

Susan Collins, one of their least loyal members? Why would one of the two dozen or more repubs with more seniority than Collins have demanded that plum position?

[kath]

22. well, *something* is sure the hell very wrong with them.

[spanone]

24. no, they belong to a club that none of us will ever be asked to join...so we can fuck off

[MiniMe]

29. Did the Senators coming in the next congress vote too? That's 55 votes

42-13.??