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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:50 AM
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'Frightened' David Frum Leaves Seething National Review
After seeing a fellow National Review columnist told off by her editor ("embarrassing and outrageous") and readers ("my mother should have aborted me ... I should 'off' myself"), neocon David Frum has decided he is taking his anti-Sarah Palin views and following Christopher Buckley out the conservative journal's door. And amid the nasty internecine feuding on the National Review's website and elsewhere, he sounds more than a bit scared of what's left of the crumbling conservative movement:

I think a little more distance can help everybody do a better job of keeping their temper... I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the young and the educated.

Frum has his fans outside of conservative circles — Slate's Jacob Weisberg told the Times he was "the most interesting writer they have" — but editor Rich Lowry professes not to be worried about his or Buckley's departure, or all the online infighting, because the Obama administration will turn feuding conservatives into anti-Obama cranks who subscribe to his magazine. Which is basically the same thing Fox News says, and reflects the prevailing conventional wisdom.

And yet Obama's election only seems to have accelerated blame and recriminations within the right wing over why Republicans lost; what aspects, exactly, of an Obama administration are objectionable; and where the conservative movement goes from here. Conservatives may still have intact alliances, but that doesn't mean they're out of the wilderness. Or more appropriately the jungle.

http://gawker.com/5090173/frightened-david-frum-leaves-seething-national-review

I hope ALL those nasty little vermin are frightened. However, "It's their party, and they can cry if they want to." (apologies to Lesley Gore)
:popcorn: :nopity:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:56 AM
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1. Bwahahha.
The wheels are coming off the GOP's mighty Wurlitzer.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:56 AM
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2. I don't get this fanatical attachment to / defense of Palin
If Frum or Buckley had ripped McCain 8 ways to Sunday most Republicans would have tactically agreed with his points to some degree.

However, legitimately attack someone who was likely the most unqualified person to ever be selected to be a heartbeat away from the White House and you get turned on by a mob that can best be equated to a rabid pack of wolves who have just had a dead moose dropped right in front of them.

Besides breasts and a vagina what is so attractive about this woman that creates this fevered reaction to her?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:15 AM
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15. That entire bunch has promoted anti-intellectualism, hyper-emotionalism,
lock-step parisianism for years. My Party always right.

Criticism has never been allowed in the Republican Party.

I think it may be the case of Frankenstein being confronted by the monster of his making.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:17 AM
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16. She's like crack cocaine to the base--extremely "religious"
and very anti-intellectual. That's why they love Queen Sarah and why they will go to any lengths to defend her "honor".
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 10:52 AM
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21. Right on the mark
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:58 AM
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3. Damn right grits are groceries!!!
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:59 AM
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4. Bwahahah! Thanks....I thought so too. nt
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:00 AM
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5. Lowry is right about the future.
The right wing has an extremely potent propaganda infrastructure in America. The hate mills on the extremist right have gone nowhere and they will spew forth 24hr/7day nothing but lies, hate and fear for the forseable future. Guys like Rush and Hannity and the rest know that as long as advertisers will pay for them to bombard Americans with lies, it is only a matter of time before their repetitive doses of lies and propaganda will rebuild the party.

In short, Democrats and liberals across America should not underestimate the power of this network and we should do all we can locally to hold LOCAL advertisers acoountable for supporting these types of programs.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:13 AM
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23. The Choir Isn't Going To Get Any Bigger
The people who buy that rag and watch Faux are those who already do. They've been around long enough to know what they're willing to hear and read and that's that.

The network is going to be the same size in 2 years as it is now.

It's not going to expand.
The Professor
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:00 AM
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6. Let's Send This Lonely, Awful Piece Of Shit Back To Canada
Frump gets no sympathy here. Mr. "Axis of Evil" thinks he's too good for ALL of us. His bitch is that the party didn't dance his dance and that the fundies are out trumping his dear neo-cons.

The fun is just beginning at the GOOP attempts to determine who they really are. They're sure to face a situation many of us Democrats dealth with for years...who really represent the party? For Frump, he's in the middle of two waring sides trying to open up a thrid front...and instead being caught in the middle. It couldn't happen to a finer group of shitsticks...and here's hoping this war goes on a good long time. No prisoners, either.

Richie Lowrys says he's not worried? Let's see what he says in a few months when his little newsletter goes bankrupt.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:12 AM
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13. Nooooo! Not Canada! He called it a "socialist gulag."
I really don't have any pity for him - he helped create the monster that he is now so afraid of.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:25 AM
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17. I Should Have Put A Disclaimer...Appologies To Canadian DUers...
But he is one of yours. :rofl:

Here's the deal, we send him back and then you deport him to some "socialist paradise". :rofl:

Cheers...
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:01 AM
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7. This should be the new symbol of the Republican party:

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:08 AM
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10. Cracking up with laughter
I'm lovin' it. Eat your own GOP - on TV please. :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:04 AM
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8. Aww, David is "frightened" is he?
All those young and educated voters are leaving the Republican party? Too bad. What do the Republicans offer young people? Or educated people? Or ethical people? Or people with more than three working brain cells? If you're content being robbed of your income, stripped of your dignity, and then told it's your own damn fault you can't get ahead, then today's Republican party is for you!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:04 AM
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9. The republican party is in a major fight for its survival. It is a fight between the pseudo
extreme pseudo "christians", and moderate right wingers.

It doesn't look good for the moderate republicans, as their voice is NOT tolerated in their party

The irony is that it was these moderates that created the monster they cannot control, and that will destroy their party for the foreseeable future

As long as the party continues to follow the hate machine which they have cultivated they will lose, and I suspect it will be a while before that is reversed



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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:10 AM
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11. they cant figure out why they lost eh.
the GOP looks like this



and the dems look like the rest of us.


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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:11 AM
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12. The cream has risen to the top
and all the bottom feeders are starting to consume their own.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:13 AM
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14. The support of "the young and educated" collapsed? When did the Rethug party *ever* have it?!1 n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:09 AM
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22. Guess he means the illusions they create and call reality have collapsed.
Hard to muck through all the batshit to determine exactly what he means, plus who wants to?

Best to just pat him on the head and send him off to rehab.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 10:09 AM
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18. Remember the "good old days"...
...when the National Review was the magazine for conservative intellectuals? The days when it was full of free-market and anti-Communist dogma, to be sure, but when the tone was supposed to be more aristocratic and "civilized" than its foes on the left? Where the nastiest one would get about a political opponent was speculating that he was not as intelligent or educated because he had, after all, gone to Harvard while the writer had gone to Yale, or vice-versa?

How the (somewhat) mighty have fallen. It's a long way from captains of industry warning about the lingering negative effects of the New Deal to people telling a staff writer that she should have been aborted or should consider suicide. William F. Buckley must be spinning in his grave.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 10:17 AM
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19. The National Review is going the way of the dinosaurs
How soon can we get Bill Kristol off the air?
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 10:40 AM
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20. I cannot stand that fucker David Frum...
time for him to drift off into oblivion.
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