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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:09 AM
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Why republicans fear progressives
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 12:28 AM by undergroundpanther
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness".John Kenneth Galbraith

"A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy".
Benjamin Disraeli

Republicans want freedom FROM the human social contract that helps humanity live in relative peace together..The right wing wants to be able to bully,steal,pressure/control others,manipulate, lie,take advantage of others, never share,be greedy as they can, get something for nothing,and do it as much as they want to the least among us with NO consequences. They want power without responsibility obligation or even sharing of power.The "freedom" republicans defend are the freedoms of bad people who seek to abuse and manipulate other people with no consequences ..That is what the republicans are really SCARED of losing, now that the Dem's are in the House.. And it is a GOOD thing they fear us.The outside pressure progressives enact through limits and regulations on the behavior of conservatives,is necessary. Those external controls on their predatory and parasitism that is what republicans hate,about Democrats.They do not get it that progressive power limits the damage they can do to the social contract ,a nation and others lives all around them with those chronic conservative behaviors of greed bullying,theft and abuse of power.

Conservatism creates nothing ,it preys upon others creativity,and well being.Conservatives seek to the keep the authoritarian status quo the same.Conservatism is a greedy arrogant feudal belief system,it relies on perpetuating over-obedience to authority and an unjust social hierarchy.Conservatism encourages bullying, ignorance and blind faith,for that is the republican base..It relies on people believing humanity is evil 100% and that the weak and impoverished are inferior and thus are treated as lessors. This kind of hierarchical culture ultimately is anti-life,anti-love ,anti-compassion ,and anti- social contract.


"The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority".Stanley Milgram


Progressives and Democrats on the other hand, are not afraid of using power and resources to help others. Help with things like progressive taxes, gay people marrying,universal health care or homeless shelters in their neighborhoods.This is because liberals understand the importance of taking care of each other.They know it IS the essential essence of the human social contract they are upholding.The Progressives seek to LIMIT what abusers of power and wealth can get away with doing to others less able to defend themselves or each other.

The obligations we have as human beings to look out for each other and our well being if we are to live well and in peace together is a RESPONSIBILITY and obligation each person has in maintaining freedom for all.To have freedom for all,one must be willing to give to others to protect that freedom.So Democrats believe in innocence until proven guilty..The Democrats know when as many people as possible are freed from the burdens of poverty,health issues,domestic violence,are more educated,and more aware of others not like themselves are human too,and freeing as many as possible from the suffering and grinding despair of loneliness http://www.lifewatch-eap.com/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=392
and ease the"human condition" .This is why we need each other and this contract,mutual well being and survival is why we created civilizations to begin with.

Compassion without "conservatism" brings more joy and freedom to all.Even conservatives but they'll NEVER admit it.

"To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development".Felix Adler:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:14 AM
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1. K&R
"The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority".Stanley Milgram


"I was just following orders"..Famous defense plea..
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:26 AM
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2. Right On! ugp: Anti-Life, Anti-Love, Anti-Compassion, Anti-Social Contract!
THAT'S the TRUTH of it and we should say this truth over and over and over, to ANYONE, at all times, in all situations! NO equivocation!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:34 AM
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3. Conservatives are clever liars
They can manipulate the fuck out of good hearted people.Because conservatives do not care who gets hurt or stepped on in the conservatives endless acquisition of power through greed and other bad behaviors.

In other words you cannot negotiate or EVER equivocate with an authoritarian, narcissistic or psychopathic personality type,alot of conservatives have this type of personality in one way or another to some degree.And this ethical and compassion faculty in conservatives is so stunted and so, they are heartless,selfish,manipulating,greedy and bullying,calculating LIARS.NEVER to be trusted.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:09 AM
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14. Good point, "...can't negotiate with conservatives..." No matter how "nice" they may be behaving...
their perspective is the ONE AND

ONLY

TRUTH justifying the SACRIFICE of All and Everything. So they'll yes you along and then get with others behind your back and do you in and then tell you that correction is "for your own good."

I lived a good portion of my life with some of these "conservatives". It's weird that in a strange way they operate like a Liberal, in that being Liberal is about Inclusion and "all perspectives considered". This is similar to how for BLASPHEMING "conservatives" any and all actions are justified by the "fact" that they are "Right". Everyone, everything, all of creation, the universe or multi-verse, the cosmos, all things, all time, E - v - e - r - y - t - h - i - n - g is expendable in service to their perception of "Truth".

In paleo/classic-conservative Catholic theological terms, they are Idolatorous Blasphemers.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:39 AM
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4. That's really about all there is to it. K&R
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:41 AM
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5. The one thing about conservatives versus progressives
And when I pointed this out to a good conservative friend, it was the first time I saw him depressed over something i had said - is that nature itself is against conservatism. Conservatives don't want anything to change or want to revert back to a time when they thought everything was perfect (the 1950s, usually), but nature is change. Even when the country shifts to the right - the people of America continue to get more progressive. The thought of even allowing gays to marry would have been laughed at in the 1980s under Reagan. In 2000, a similar measure was voted down with a 30% difference between the yeas and nays. This year it was - what - 4% maybe? The change isn't coming as fast as we progressives would like, but it is coming much to the terror of republicans. Everything that conservatives have fought against - keeping minorities from voting, keeping women from voting, keeping people of different ethnicities from marrying, etc. have all fallen by the wayside. They can slow down the tidal wave, but they can't stop it.

TlalocW
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:25 AM
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12. i love it when they mention the 40's and 50's I agree. Top tax rates were >80%
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:47 AM
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6. Wonderful post
At its heart, the conservative philosophy is about the preservation of privilege, most especially where that privilege is unearned. "Conservatism" as it has come to be embodied in the modern world, has nothing to do with the preservation of the best of the past, but stands solely for the ossification and institutionalization of injustice.

Had conservativism been a philosophy in the days of the caveman, social evolution would never have occurred as it is antithetical to cooperation except among elites. Absent cooperation, mankind would never have progressed beyond a higher form of apedom.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:48 AM
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7. Excellent post
Compassion without "conservatism" brings more joy and freedom
for all. I really hated that term compassionist conservative when they
penned it and called them out out that bullshit years ago.

Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation.

I'm still working on that one.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:09 AM
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8. K&R
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:07 AM
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9. This, by far, is the best post I read today.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:25 AM
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10. excellent stuff.
You got a definition of conservatism pinned down that I've been trying to express for years.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:17 AM
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11. Conservatism is not meant to be a governing philosophy
Conservatives are supposed to be a control rod or a break to keep us from getting ahead of ourselves. People that only look backwards usually make lackluster leaders. Even the most capable, well meaning, and rational conservatives are only put in charge to maintain the status quo in a sensable system. Matters are made worse by the fact that the conservative party is anything but that. They are now a proactive distortion of maintaining the status quo that is aggressively pushing an agenda rather than even braking change.

Republicans are a cancer. The conservatives have a role but Rupublicans exist pretty much only to destroy government, to repress the people, and to funnel resources to the wealthy few.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:29 AM
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13. Super post
K & R
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:32 AM
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15. Conservatives think man has always been the same and can't change
So to them the saying 'dog eat dog' is very real. They feel justified in oppressing and suppressing others because they believe that if they don't do it then it will be done to them.

That's why they fear Obama. They think he is going to just turn the tables on them and start pushing them down exactly the way they've done to others.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:53 PM
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16. It's all about conservatism as a mental disorder...
http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~hannahk/conservatism.html

“We consider evidence for and against the hypotheses that political conservatism is significantly associated with
(1) mental rigidity and closed-mindedness, including (a) increased dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity, (b) decreased cognitive complexity, (c) decreased openness to experience, (d) uncertainty avoidance, (e) personal needs for order and structure, and (f) need for cognitive closure;
(2) lowered self-esteem;
(3) fear, anger, and aggression;
(4) pessimism, disgust, and contempt;
(5) loss prevention;
(6) fear of death;
(7) threat arising from social and economic deprivation; and
(8) threat to the stability of the social system.
We have argued that these motives are in fact related to one another psychologically, and our motivated social–cognitive perspective helps to integrate them. We now offer an integrative, meta-analytic review of research on epistemic, existential, and ideological bases of conservatism” (352).
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