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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:38 PM
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In bad economy, boat owners abandon their vessels

By MALIA WOLLAN
Associated Press Writer
From Southern California to Maine, the foundering economy, high fuel prices and poor fishing have driven boat owners to abandon perhaps thousands of vessels on the waterfront, where they are beginning to break up and sink, leaking oil and other pollutants.

Boats have long been a barometer of consumer confidence, disposable income and the overall state of the economy. Now, marina and harbor officials are reporting a sudden increase in the past year in the number of deserted pleasure boats and working vessels.

In Antioch, a town about 45 miles east of San Francisco, harbormaster John Cruger-Hansen showed up at his marina one day last spring to find the horizon changed overnight. On the San Joaquin River, he saw an old crane, a rusted barge, a tugboat and an assortment of other junked boats, all of which had been hauled in and left illegally.

"Boating is a pure luxury and one of the first things to go when the economy turns south," said Cruger-Hansen, who expects to see more abandoned boats by year's end. "If it comes to the point of putting food on the table or paying the boat slip fee, it's the boat that goes."

Unlike cars, wooden and fiberglass boats have virtually no scrap value. So rather than pay the high cost of hauling their boats to the dump, people ditch them or sell them for as little as $1 to anyone who will take them. The boats often break up and go under, or pass into the underground economy of nighttime scuttlers- who, for a fee, remove traceable identification numbers, strip out salvageable items and sink the vessels.

"Oil, gasoline and sewage from these boat leaks into the aquatic environment," said Sejal Choksi, program director at San Francisco Baykeeper, an environmental organization. Boat paint often contains chromium, lead, mercury and other toxic chemicals, and as a vessel deteriorates, the coating flakes off and settles on the sea floor or river bottom, where fish swallow it, Choksi said.

Government officials and environmental groups are calling for more programs and funding to prevent and clean up the junkyard flotillas.

But removing just one sunken sailboat can cost upwards of $12,000, and taking away larger commercial vessels is even more expensive.

With nearly a million registered boats, California - the second-largest boating state behind Florida - spends about $500,000 each year removing deserted recreational boats. The state has no money to remove commercial boats, and unless they are leaking oil or blocking a navigation channel, the Coast Guard is not required to take them away.

"At the state and federal level something needs to be done with these derelict commercial vessels. They just sit there, falling apart," said Contra Costa County sheriff's Sgt. Doug Powell, who patrols the mouth of the San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta. Nearly 30 decaying tugboats, fishing boats, cranes and barges make up the aquatic junkyard in Powell's county.

High fuel prices and several disastrous years in the nation's fishing industry have led fishermen to desert salmon boats in Washington state, crab boats in Maryland, trawlers in Oregon and lobster boats in Florida.

In Georgia, Charles "Buck" Bennett, a natural-resources enforcement manager for the state, regularly finds wooden shrimp boats run aground and left to break apart in the Atlantic Ocean swells.

"I'm not an economist, but when putting 500 gallons of fuel in a shrimp boat costs more than the boat is worth, that is a sad thing," Bennett said.

Bennett keeps a growing list of broken down boats slated for removal, currently 152 statewide. But with lean economic times and a declining shrimp industry, he guesses there are hundreds more hidden along the state's shoreline and waterways.

It's not just barnacle-laden junkers that are being abandoned.

In recent months, an increasing number of powerboat and sailboat owners have been failing to pay their slip fees, according to Randy Short, chief executive of Almar Management Inc., a company with 16 luxury marinas in California and Hawaii.

When the payments are 40 days delinquent, the marina chains the boat to the dock. Recently, a boat owner in one of Short's Southern California marinas disappeared, leaving behind a $200,000 boat and no contact information.

"People get financially upside-down and ditch their boats," Short said, "and you can just forget trying to sell a power boat right now. No one is buying."

http://www.kentucky.com/513/story/591017.html

I can't believe nobody buys the scrap!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:46 PM
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1. Link doesn't work
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:45 PM
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5. It works for me.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:57 PM
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2. Here's an idea, after a vessel is declared abandoned, the marina
offers the boats to anybody willing to fix it and will forgo slip fees for a year?

I for one, would happily restore/maintain a 40' - 45' sailboat and live on it given the chance. No rent/payments would make the purchase of materials possible and we would do the work.



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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:52 PM
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7. The problem seems to be largely isolated to power boats...
sailboats still require the marina costs, of course.

The full time live aboard folks I know have decamped for friendlier climes in the last 18 months. Places where their social security goes a bit further than it would in the U.S. They tell me that a person willing to reduce expectations appropriately can be pretty comfortable in Central America or in many locations down towards Australia. Not the dream yacht existence, by any means. But if you like fish and don't miss ice apparently it's quite doable.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:22 PM
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9. Was never a fan of the stinkpots, but I do like ocean fish and hate ice, maybe there's
a possibility there...

We're looking into using my heretofore useless ethnic background to get out of the US and the country in question is surrounded by ocean.


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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:47 PM
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10. The 'ice' in question here is the kind that goes in drinks or
keeps food fresh. It's one of the hard things to get on a sailboat that's been stripped down for simple, long term living.

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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:36 PM
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18. The valuable boats, like the $200,000 one abandoned
no doubt have notes on them.

Essentially its a mini-foreclosure situation.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:44 PM
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19. My brother told me moorage is $7/foot/month in Olympia.
For his 50 year old wooden boat, his moorage is approaching $500/month
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:04 PM
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3. Definitely seeing this in SoCal, particularly in regards to power boats.
Fuel prices this summer kept a lot of boatowners from using their boats at all. On the other hand, more and more sailboats seem to be going over to the Channel Islands, as it costs virtually nothing to sail.

One other aspect of this story is that for many people, boating is not "pure luxury" as described in the article. Many people live on their boats because of the high cost of housing, but with slip fees going up, even this is becoming more difficult for some.

A friend who made his living taking people out on his sailboat was forced to anchor his boat outside of the marina because he could not afford a slip. This weekend, bad weather put his boat on the beach. It is a beautiful boat, but he does not have the money to have it pulled off. So, this afternoon, LA county is going to break it into little bits and remove it. This was his home and his livelihood, but liveaboards are essentially shunned as "homeless" in these parts and have few, if any, remedies.

At any rate, I just wanted to provide another perspective. Not all boat owners are rich yachties.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:15 PM
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14. I agree
Most of the slips around me used to be lived in. The cost of the boat <3 K and the low slip fee of 250 $ a month was far cheaper than the rents in the area. However most Marina's eliminated full time residency on your boat.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 08:55 PM
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17. I Would Be Homeless If Not For My Would Have Been Derelict 28 ft Sailboat
When my SSI disability finally went through in the summer of '05, I had to figure a way to live on
what was then $576/mo. Renting an apt was out of the question, but I had owned and sailed a variety of under 25 ft sailboats since the '70's and knew that there were a bunch of old sailboats around for cheap that would make me a good home. I managed, due to great advice, both legal and from DUers, how not to let SS screw me out of my back arrearage money, about $6000.

I found a 28ft Kells on Ebay and got it for $2500. It was at a marina in Great Peconic Bay at the east end of Long Island. It was a boat that had been abandoned by a marina customer who died with no one to take custody of it. The marina for some reason had a NY registration for it. It was nothing but boat and sails so i spent another grand or so buying GPS navigation, radio and assorted gear and sailed it to VA where I found a marina slip for $160/mo.

Things would have been great there except that I couldn't locate a Pain doctor there to continue my opioid medication and had no desire to go through withdrawal and live thereafter in agony. So we put it on trailer and brought it back to TN where I have doctors. A marina slip would be $350/mo and the TVA doesn't allow liveaboards on the lake here, though many get away with it if the marina is cool. So we put it on a friend's farm who doesn't charge me for rent or electric.

I've been here ever since, over 3 years. It's cozy but perfect for me. And I'd be homeless without it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:12 PM
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4. My boat hasn't moved an inch in over a year - here's the math ...
My boat is paid for and is on a trailer. Overall, with bracket and pulpit its just under 30 feet long and with its single 225 hp Suzuki engine it gets just slightly over 2 miles per gallon. All of last summer gas was running right around $4 per gallon and it doesn't take a math wizz to figure out that meas it cost $2 per mile to drive the boat. We fish off shore from the Outer Banks of North Carolina and for us the run to the fishing grounds has been about 35 miles. So its 35 miles out, then you drive the boat around all day (trolling for Tuna primarily) and then you get to drive it 35 miles back to the dock. Typical day; roughly 90~100 gallons of gasoline. So the price of gas alone for a couple of guys to go fishing was running around $400 per day and that doesn't include bait, ice, food, or replacements for gear that is invariably lost or broken during a day fishing. I still have the boat, and will probably go fishing in the spring no matter how much it cost me.

By the way, my boat is just exacly like a million other fairly large but still trailered boats.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:46 PM
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6. Oh man. I had no idea it was that expensive. Bummer.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:00 PM
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11. Thats a hard working 225hp engine to move that much boat.
My brother has a brand new Bayliner 195 bowrider with a 4.3 220hp MerCruiser. The gas tank is about 35 gallons and can run the boat through most of the day as long as its running at the optimum speed/fuel consumption of 35mph. Top speed is 50mph, but with a better prop it could go 60mph.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:20 PM
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8. I'm leaving on a boating trip Saturday.
I'm taking one of my Folbot kayaks to Texas and then down to the Florida panhandle. It's packed in a dufflebag in the back of my pickup truck .. locked under the camper top.


I'm taking the smaller of the two on this trip. Both of these kayaks are worth more than I paid for them in the 90s.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:04 PM
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12. I live in the Florida Panhandle
Best time of the year to kayak over here. Hopefully, you'll get as far as the St. Marks Nature Preserve.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:06 PM
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13. I bet during the next hurricane...
folks will minimally anchor their boats and wait for the insurance money.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:31 PM
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15. They can't locate the owners? Then maybe something needs to be done about the record keeping.
Does the state or feds require the boats to be licensed?

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Principal Vernon Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:32 PM
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16. st. augustine, FL
there's a half-sunken sailboat just south of the bridge of lions that's been abandoned for weeks. it looked funny the first time i drove past...now it's an eyesore.
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dynasaw Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:08 PM
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20. Abandoned boats not as bad as
this poor horse named Remington who was abandoned and starving:

"RANCHO CUCAMONGA - From working families to small businesses, it seems that everyone has felt the pangs of the economic crisis. Another victim on the list - horses.
The equestrian community has witnessed something startling lately - horses left starving or abandoned as owners find it difficult to pay for the maintenance of their pets. . .a thoroughbred named Remington was found 400 pounds underweight in a Rancho Cucamonga home. The owner simply stopped feeding him.

. . .about 100,000 horses were slaughtered every year for an overseas market with a demand for horse meat.

"What happened to those horses?" asked San Filippo. "Some of them got absorbed in rescue facilities, but we don't really have an infrastructure set. What you're seeing is the horses can't be sold, so they're abandoned and starved."

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_10884171
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