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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:48 AM
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Why do you think so few Presidents have been impeached? Here is why...
When scandal is revealed in the White House, the President learns BEFORE the House takes up a vote on impeachment whether he will ultimately have to leave his office. It is the standard of inevitability.

Clinton knew he would not have to leave office BEFORE the House impeached him, and public opinion polls were solidly behind him. So there were no visits to the Clinton White House by top Democrats on the Hill telling him it was time to go.

Nixon did not know he would have to leave office until 24 hrs before he resigned. Why? THat was when the top Republicans on Capitol Hill visited the WHite House, told him he would be impeached and removed by the Senate, and that it was time to go. He complied and and went on tv in 24 hrs announcing he would step down.

Bush has not yet been visited by the top Republicans on Capitol Hill and informed that his leaving office is inevitable. Until that happens, he will remain in office. However, give the new Democratic Majority time to publicly investigate all of the Bush scandals,and that time may come.

From a political point of view, having Bush in office to constantly defend the indefensible is a daily reminder of the corruption that voters will vote against in 2008. From what is good for the Republican Party, having protracted public hearings that expose the depth and breadth of corruption is the worst possible scenario.

However, if Bush continues to place us all in even more jeopardy, he may need to go before his term is up. His aggressive push of this war in Iraq, and his possibly starting a war with Iran may dictate that he step down before his term ends.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:52 AM
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1. I'm thinking the guys in white coats should fetch him
and take him to la la land where his dreams can come true.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:54 AM
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2. toon:
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:56 AM
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3. ha
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:51 PM
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4. The people have lost confidence in Bush as Commander-in-Chief
Bush is forced to plot his war against Iran in a thinly veiled cloak of secrecy because he knows that he would get no support for it were he to ask for it. This is the first time in American history that a president is bent to starting a war without congressional authorization or even public consensus. At least he had the IWR as a fig leaf when he sent troops into Iraq.

He wouldn't get congressional approval if he asked for it. If he were to start public discussion on going to war against Iran, his numbers would soon fall to the low twenties.

He really can't just start the war, either. If he did, more people would support his impeachment than would support him.

What should really bother us is that Bush has no credibility. He shot his wad over Iraq. Except for die hard Bush babies, no one will believe him if he cries "wolf" again. That is a very dangerous situation. Suppose Iran were more of a threat than we think? Would any one be willing to take Bush's word for it? If he presented facts, would any one believe them genuine? If he presented documents, would any one think they are not forged?

Most of us, I included, do not believe Iran is an immediate threat and that military action would not be justified at this time. Whether necessary or not, a war against Iran would be more difficult and costly than was the war against Iraq. Iran is three time the size of Iraq with about that many more people; Ahmediniejad may by off his rocker, but he is not a brutal tyrant like Saddam and he is president because more Iranian voters thought he was a better choice than the next candidate. There is even less reason to suppose Iranians will greet American troops as liberators than there was to suppose Iraqis did; there is even more reason to suppose the Iranian people will fiercely resist a foreign occupation of their country than Iraqis did.

Invading Iran is not something to be done without due consideration for no better reason than to keep Mr. Bush in the White House any longer than this.

If we recall Aesop's story of the boy who cried "wolf" then we note that at the end there really was a wolf. In a twist of irony, the boy died because every one assumed he was playing another prank. Aesop doesn't tell us whether any lambs were carried off, but no doubt the wolf was more interested in the flock (lambs taste better than shepherds) and the boy died defending it. Perhaps the prankster was not regarded as a great loss, but the wolf's loot could have fed a hungry family in the village.

This could have been avoided by replacing the boy with a more reliable shepherd.

We cannot and should not wait for January 20, 2009 to replace Bush and Cheney with a Commander-in-Chief who will be believed when he or she says that Iran is an immediate threat immediate military action is needed to deal with it. It is not likely that a reliable Commander-in-Chief will say so between now and then, but we have no reliable Commander-in-Chief but a dangerous prankster who will say anything.

Bush and Cheney must be impeached and removed now.
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:50 PM
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5. If we impeach Bush only,
the people in the United State are going to have to look at that little weasel Cheney's picture for all eternity as one of our Presidents. I don't think we could bear that. Hell they'd probably put his ace on coins & stamps. You realize
that this new set of dollar coins is going to feature all the Presidents. The idea of Dubya Dollers is bad enough but
Cheney bucks is more than I can handle. Lets get both of them.
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:54 PM
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6. Oops I said "ace"
I don't know if I meant "face" or "ass". Take your pick I guess.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 04:22 PM
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7. There have been so few impeachments because it's damn hard to do it
The Founding Fathers deliberately set the bar for impeachment very high. In order to get an impeachment out of the House, you've got to be able to tie the malfeasance directly to the president.

A president who intends to commit malfeasance, like Reagan or Bush, will surround himself with known crooks who can plausibly be blamed for anything the president decides to try. It's easy to believe Caspar Weinberger and Oliver North ran the Iran-Contra operation out of the White House basement.

Nixon fucked up by committing crimes he couldn't pass on to anyone else. Bush, history will record, did the same thing but to an extent even Nixon wouldn't have tried.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 04:23 PM
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8. Um, because of the high Constitutional barrier to such an extreme remedy?
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