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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:38 PM
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We should support the president .
There I said it. Something that I have rarely ever said in my adult life. My entire political mindset has been to fight the establishment, to assume that everything I hear is BS. What do I do now. Should I start looking for a website called "Centrist Aboveground"?

Has anyone here ever had faith in the words and deeds of any president? The first president I remember was Nixon. I remember my mom dragging me in from the yard to watch him resign. She said that this had never happened before and that I should watch it. She told me that he was quitting because he was a liar and a crook and got caught. Seeing his sweaty face and teary eyes shaped my perceptions of the president as being a dishonest man.

I remember Ford as little more than a cardboard cutout occupying the white house and falling down some stairs. I think I remember Chevy Chase's parody of him more than the actual man.

Carter was an honest man and I really respected him greatly but seeing how he was outmatched by the deviousness of Reagan reinforced the idea that an honest man could not be president.

Reagan/Bush, Proved to me without a doubt that the office was for a manipulator rather than a man.

Clinton lied to us about Monica and sold globalization to us as a miracle of economics.

We all know what Bush/Cheney did to tarnish the office almost beyond repair.

So here we are with a seemingly honest man as president and I cannot help but remember how the conservative apparatus sabotaged President Carter at every turn. Can Obama beat off the hundreds of little plots that will be hatched to make him look bad? Can he continue to beat world class liars by being honest?

For the first time in my life I believe in the president. But I am afraid that he will be in an office that has only been held by bullshit artists for many years and the only honest man was chewed up and spit out.

Remember, evil usually wins unless good is very careful. Be careful Mr.President, there are those who will try to ruin you even if it ruins us all. I trust you but I am not so sure about the other guys. They are used to presidential liars also.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:41 PM
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1. Always question authority
and trust no one. But then, I am a cynic.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:45 PM
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5. You're correct -- sadly --
all foes .. foreign and domestic" --
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:55 PM
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9. I never said that trusted him blindly
Any trust at all is a new experience for me.
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:41 PM
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2. No president should ever be trusted blindly and supported without question.
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 10:47 PM by Liberalynn
even the Democractic ones. They are just human beings, flawed in ways that each and every one of us are, and capable of being wrong, just like each and every one of us are.

They are the President and not God, and even God, if you choose to believe in him/her should be questioned.

We should never be a my country right or wrong populace or else we fail our duty as citizens of the U.S. and we might as well just call ourselves Republicans, as that is what many of them advocate.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:45 PM
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6. Absolutely--
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:43 PM
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3. Oh, I will support President Bush
I am a pretty strong guy.

And I will gladly support him, hold him up.

While you slip the noose over his motherfucking neck.

Tom
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:44 PM
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4. ...when he's on the mark -- not when he's wrong ... feel-good lies bring misery later ...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:59 PM
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10. So far I'm not hearing lies.
And I am seeing efficiency. But I ain't gonna get what I want because a prosperous nation has been brought to beggary by thieves.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:17 AM
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11. Some would prefer no dissent --.
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 12:20 AM by defendandprotect
And, yes ... bankrupting of nation ... but no accountability ..!!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:25 AM
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12. Yeah, I'd like investigation and prosecution.
I don't really think anything will be fixed without it. And I'm NOT in favor of "reaching across the aisle" without agreement on prosecution. Frankly, the best thing the Republican Party could do for itself is aggressively prosecute BushCo. But I don't believe anyone is that bright.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:39 AM
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13. Oh, they're very"bright" in their own selfish interests ...!!
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:46 PM
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7. I hear what you're saying
I too have always been "don't trust the establishment, they're all liars". Comes from being a teenager in the late '60's and also I guess it comes from being a very little girl when JFK was killed and a young teen when RFK was assassinated. My dad, a strong union democrat, told me then "when they have a good man they kill him". I cast my first vote against Nixon in '72 (the voting age had just been lowered) and other that feeling sorry for Carter, who was a good man undone by the bullshit, I have never trusted any established government figure since. I was always suspicious of the Clintons and NAFTA. Now, maybe, just maybe for the first time in my adult life I can have hope and belief in a President. I'd like to have that, just once, before I leave this planet.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:48 PM
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8. who are you Britney Spears?...
:sarcasm:
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