President-elect Obama, we support the prosecution of Bush administration criminals

[bobthedrummer]

within the intent of the Executive Branch Accountability Act of 2008.

So who's with me on this request to President-elect Obama-no one is above the law and it's part of the change we brought to DC.

Bob

[wildbilln864]

1. I'm there! nt

[guitar man]

2. me too

:hi:

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. I do.. and Sy Hersh said there will be tons of whistle blowers coming forward

on January 20th.

[bobthedrummer]

4. Yep.

:patriot:

[Loudmxr]

164. Yes give the Republican attnorneys a chance to rediscover the law

One of the big mistakes was to pardon Nixon. He should have been tried in a court. Instead he got away. That sent the message that it was OK for the Executive to break the law.:smoke:

[ramapo]

5. Forget it...move on.

I'd like nothing more than to see a whole bunch of Bush admin officials behind bars, if for no other reason than my own sense of retribution and satisfaction.

But you know what? We have much bigger problems and issues. It is time to move beyond this crap and get some things accomplished that will actually help our country. Igniting political firestorms might be satisfying but such a move would basically negate much of what Obama has been talking about.

Perhaps we'll see a couple of officials prosecuted through the normal course of justice but Obama has far more important things to do.

[Frosty1]

7. No I will not forget it.

We moved on when they killed JFK
We moved on when they killed Martin
We moved on when they killed Bobby
No more moving on
I say we STAND AND FIGHT
That is the only way they will learn!

[newtothegame]

19. I agree...

But why then did we just elect a president that did not make executive justice a tenet of his campaign? Our party had the chance for Kucinich...can't omplain now and demand that Obama be Dennis.

edited for sp

[Frosty1]

25. As much as I love Kucinich

There is no way he could have united this nation and carried us to victory the way Obama has.:patriot:

[RedCappedBandit]

86. Why can't I complain?

I voted for Kucinich, after all! :D

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. I am standing right next to you on this.

"Forgetting abut it" and "moving on" after atrocities sends a message it is ok to commit more crimes.
Maybe they stopped teaching that at some point lately, but I am old enough to have learned it.

[MotorCityMan]

81. Amen and K & R

They must be made to answer for the last eight years. ALL of them.

To add to the previous post;

We moved on after Nixon was impeached
We moved on after Reagun and Bush I's Iran Contra

Of course the one thing we couldn't move on from was Clinton's blow job. Then and only then did the rule of law matter.

[Old Codger]

112. Nixon

we moved on when they didn't prosecute Nixon "for the good of the country" BS, for the good of the country we need to take the time to stand up for the morals we supposedly represent, we need to show the world that we are in fact going to do it right this time. Anything else is back to "politics as usual" and would be just another pile of BS and (IMHO) put the lie to the change message.

[peace frog]

170. Hear hear!

I totally agree. :patriot:

[bobthedrummer]

9. Nope, not a chance-we are not going to ignore crimes against humanity or treason eom

[smoogatz]

14. That was the great error of the Watergate era.

Pardon the motherfucker and move on. And, lo and behold, the same Nixon-era partisans that were allowed to scurry back into the woodwork returned 25 years later and tried the same shit again. Let's repeat that: Cheney, Rumsfeld and a bunch of other Nixon administration leftovers came roaring back into office a generation later and tried, again, to re-establish the imperial presidency that got Nixon in so much trouble. And this time it worked, if by "worked" you mean they were able to do whatever the hell they wanted and get away with it, after wiping their asses with the Constitution for good measure. I think we have to show definitively, once and for all, that these people are not above the law, that the nation does not and will not forgive them for what they've done to the country and the contempt they've shown for the Constitution and the American people. If they've committed crimes (and they have), they belong in jail--do not pass Go, do not collect government pension, do not retire comfortably to Dubai or the Eastern Shore or Paraguay. If we don't take their crimes in office seriously, what deterrent will there be when the next batch of fascist-leaning assholes gets itself installed in the White House?

[crickets]

26. *applause*

This is exactly the point. Watergate pardons did not 'heal the nation' - just the opposite.

If we don't take their crimes in office seriously, what deterrent will there be when the next batch of fascist-leaning assholes gets itself installed in the White House?

Again, got it in one.

[gkhouston]

77. Your response is worthy of its own thread.

We must prosecute the criminal actions of this administration. I have no doubt that the wingers will howl "partisan politics!" but I think that most of the country wants a reckoning. Why should Bush et al be above the law? It's unfair and it invites future abuses of power. Calling administration officials to account for their criminal activities would also help restore our reputation abroad, IMHO. We need to pursue justice with resolution, not vindictiveness, but we most definitely need to open the books and deal with the truth. Too much has been hidden for too long.

[redqueen]

83. Don't forget Iran Contra. (nt)

[nolabels]

90. And Teapot Dome

:smoke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_Scandal

[redqueen]

93. Iran Contra was another chance to bust this same gang of thugs. (nt)

[nolabels]

103. Iran-Contra was when the criminals turned the Justice department on it's head

The government started using and making excuses for the actual law breaking that was starting to see the light of day. One can be sure there was always some secret percentage already engaged in such. Documentation of the Nixon Administration was proof of that. Iran-Contra is the documented turning point when government said that it was okay for them to break the law because they were the government. That didn't happen till then.

The thing that wasn't written into history as much should have been (yet) is that all man's technology is making for all this truth telling possible. The truth is always faster than the people who try outsmart it :shrug:


On edit, after watching the army of lawyers that was employed from so many places to make sure most them never see jail i came to my own conclusions. The establishment takes care of own and justice is only a abstract idea by establishment to push retribution on people to poor to pay for it.

[reflection]

115. What a well-written response.

I respectfully submit that you should add the fillers and make this an OP. I wish I could recommend it.

[emmadoggy]

155. Amen. Hear hear.

I wholeheartedly agree. Well said.

[Beam Me Up]

15. NO! We can not condone treason, mass murder and war crimes.

And that is not to mention a lot of other shit.

This isn't about accountability for a lie about a blow job -- something that could easily be "moved on" from. These people are criminals who have used the political system to get away with murder -- and that isn't a figure of speech.

Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. Either these laws apply to everyone or they don't. If they don't then we're condoning criminality at the highest levels of government and society. NO! A thousand times NO!

[petgoat]

16. There are no bigger issues than the defense of the Constitution, restoration of the rule of law,

renewal of the separation of church and state, the checks and balances of the
three coequal branches of government, restoration of respect for international
law and human rights, and the principle of the accountability of criminal government
officials.

Impeach the Terrorists

[bobthedrummer]

17. Absolutely none more important petgoat.

:patriot:

[tblue37]

18. If we hadn't forgotten and moved on from the crimes committed

during Nixon's and Reagan's administrations, then those SOBs (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) would not have been able to come back into power with W's administration. We have to prosecute and convict them so they and their minions can't regain power--and so others will think there might be some consequences to committing such crimes against the antion and the Constituion! An importnt part of punishment is its deterrent effect. If nothing bad ever happens to people who commit crimes, then why not go ahead and commit them, since the potential payoff is so huge and there's no downside.

[Greyhound]

36. Sounds very much like "Bush won, get over it".

I think we've seen where that "strategy" leads, no thank you.

Get over mass murder, criminality on a global scale, the destruction of The Constitution, the looting of our treasury, the unjustified imprisonment and torture of thousands of likely innocent people, sure...

and Hitler wasn't such a bad guy either except for that whole extermination thing, after all he did revive the economy and restore Germany to the status of major player in the world.

Give me a fucking break.:eyes:

[JackRiddler]

41. "Move on" = "Please fuck me again in the future." Sorry about...

your desire to be a serial victim, but it's time to change the pattern of the last four or five decades.

Without justice and truth, the rest of our supposed values are meaningless. There is no peace, there is no freedom when crime pays and tyrants and gangsters are let off with a wink and a nod.

There is no higher priority that could actually be met, if this one is ignored.

[JackRiddler]

43. kick

[Poll_Blind]

42. You sound like an ass. How little pride do you have to have in this country to..

...let these motherfuckers get away? They could multi-task well enough to fuck us over on 40 different fronts at once but you think we're incapable of working to repair this country and hauling their asses to justice?

  Some people don't have the cajones to do what's right, and that's just how people shake out. But some chicken out when it comes to doing the right thing and get in the faces of people who are.

  I have never run into anyone like you in person. It's only online that I see people doing what you're trying to do- and it gets me to wondering why you expend so much energy to do it.

PB

[mike_c]

46. no-- never!

eom

[rhett o rick]

48. Right, that's what I been expecting. The hell with the rule of law. If we let these

horrible torturers and murderers get away with it, like we did with the Iran-Contra, Lincoln Savings and Loan, and on and on. It's the same people. They will be back again and again.

If you steal a loaf of bread you go to jail, if you mangle the Constitution, torture, invade a sovereign nation and greedily destroy our economy, it's just ok. Move on.

[tomp]

66. you lie.

you said, I'd like nothing more than to see a whole bunch of Bush admin officials behind bars...."

then you say, "It is time to move beyond this crap..."

both cannot be true.

there is NOTHING more important to do.

you don't see the incongruity of expecting integrity and progress from a politician who is covering up the heinous crimes of his predecessors.

it is obvious that obama is not who you think he is.

[lunatica]

69. Sometimes moving on while ignoring crimes creates things like the Bush Era

We are a country of laws. How many times have we heard that? It's basic to our Democracy. Crimes against our Constitution and crimes against humanity already have laws on the books to prosecute the perpetrators. Shouldn't we put our money where our mouth is?

Prosecute crimes. Seems pretty clear to me.

[UpInArms]

71. we will not move on until we have turned them upside down and shook all their

illgotten gains from their pockets.

That will settle a few accounts.

[jwirr]

84. We do have bigger problems but I think some real audits of what

they did with the money they were appropriated just might get two birds with one stone. They could go to jail for stealing it and we could get it back by appropriating their funds to repay it.

[Ignis]

88. We tried that. It was called Iran/Contra.

Guess how well that "lesson" worked out?

[snappyturtle]

96. There's no bigger problem than the criminality of the Bush administration!

President Elect Obama can proceed with his agenda and a few good men and women in Congress can get the ball rolling. Why on Earth did Conyers, Waxman, et. al have hearings if not to use them to some avail? Seems to me a lot of the investigative work has been accomplished and subpoenas need to be honored. I think we must pursue the high crimes and misdemeanors of the bush cabal. Not to do so will be at our peril in the future. Our first job is to insist on leadership changes in the House and Senate. imho

[OwnedByFerrets]

99. There is NO bigger issue than the protection of the Constitution

And yes, he has important things to do, but he can appoint people to carry out justice.

[Pithy]

106. Remember Obama's comment on multitasking

when McBlinky decided to suspend his campaign and rush back to 'help' with the economic crises? (And by 'help', I mean 'get in the way and make a complete ass of himself while trying to grandstand and posture as a person of import.')

Remember when Obama's only comment about his aunt being in the US illegally was that 'The law needs to be upheld.'

If Bushco committed all the crimes they allegedly did (and I personally believe there are too many to count), they need to be held accountable. The law needs to be upheld. And Obama can multitask.

[thesquanderer]

126. I'd trade immunity for truth

You know, I wouldn't even mind giving Bush and Cheney immunity in exchange for testimony about, well, all the things in Kucinich's articles of impeachment, at least. I don't need to see them in jail, but I want the truth to come out, so that laws can be created that can prevent these kinds of abuses in the future. Of course, immunity doesn't protect someone if they perjure themselves, so their immunity would be contingent on their truthful testimony. We might get more truth that way than out of trying to prosecute them.

[alllyingwhores]

133. I'm guessing that you left your "sarcasm" tag off? If not, here's a little insight--

The new administration is probably capable of doing more than one thing at a time--unlike Mc Shit during the first week of the financial crisis.

[JHB]

167. "Forget it...move on" has already been tried. Several times, in fact.

So far it's only encouraged them to spend their time out of power sharpening their tools of attack, and to act more underhanded and ruthless when they are in power.

Clinton didn't pursue investigations of the Reagan/Bush scandals. Relieved of the need to defend themselves, the conservatives "rewarded" him with eight years of full-bore attack.

If you really want to move on, then we need to thoroughly clean out the basement. Otherwise, we'll just we'll be dealing with the same old crap again in just a few years.

[Heather MC]

180. There are over 4000 dead soldiers families who may be having a hard time just "moving on"

I think it's important that all criminals in the country be brought to justice.
If they are allowed to get away with it. They survive to do it again in the future.

Also I don't like the idea of my tax paying money funding Bush/Cheney's retirement

[Frosty1]

6. Fer sure

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[bobthedrummer]

8. The Executive Branch Accountability Act of 2008

Wisconsin Democrat Rep. Tammy Baldwin introduced this bill in September.

Here's davidswanson's 9-27-2008 post about it at After Downing Street.org
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/baldwinbill

[annabanana]

10. Delighted to send this to "greatest"

We let the crooks surrounding Nixon and Reagan slide. . and look what it got us.

[bobthedrummer]

11. .

:thumbsup:

[earth mom]

12. Oh HELL YES!

:kick:

[paparush]

13. I'm in. If we want Peace, we must work for Justice.

[Frosty1]

20. Kick

:kick:

[piedmont]

21. k&r!!!!!!

[bvar22]

23. Learn from the Republicans

The Democratic Establishment will do what it has always done... Close Ranks with the Republican Establishment to protect their $Money Machine$. It is in the interests of BOTH parties to keep any accountability and transparency beyond the reach of mere citizens.

Lets Privatize & Globalize the effort!!!

I will donate $500 to ANY organization that will place a Bounty on Bush/Cheney to be paid to anyone who provides concrete evidence that leads to their indictment or arrest.

A small, transparent trust located in a neutral country like Switzerland could administer the fund. If the BOUNTY is promoted internationally, it would quickly grow to Mega-Millions.

The fund would also be tasked with running full page Wanted For War Crimes ads in major Global newspapers every 3 months until the Bounty is awarded or depleted.

I believe that such a fund would be wildly popular worldwide, and provide the administrators an opportunity to make a little money.
I have neither the resources or skills to institute such a fund, but like I said above, I am willing to donate $500. I also believe that there are at least a million more worldwide (extreme minimum) who would also be willing to donate....that adds up to some serious money.

Wanted
for
WAR CRIMES


A $500 Million Dollar Reward will be paid to any individual, organization, or country that provides concrete information leading to the arrest, or the issuance of an Internal Arrest Warrant for War Crimes committed by George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, or Donald Rumsfeld.

It is clear that the Opposition Party (Democratic Party) and the US Justice Department will do NOTHING to hold the criminals accountable.
A private organization representing Citizens of the World would have better results.
After observing the response to Michele Bachmann's appearance on MSNBC, I have no doubt that such a fund a HUGE success.

Even if Bush/Cheney are never arrested, a Mega-Million Dollar International Bounty would certainly keep them looking over their shoulders, curtail retirement travel plans, AND serve as a warning to future "Unitary Executives".

It would also put a nice ribbon around the Bush Legacy.

[librechik]

24. sign me up

they'll do it again if we let them blow this off.

[crickets]

27. Definitely count me in.

Way to go, Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin.

[frogmarch]

28. Count me in. K&R

[Pastiche423]

29. I'm w/you!

[TrogL]

30. Take Dubya to The Hague in irons

[JeffR]

31. Not just yes but hell yes.

[plaintiff]

32. Won't happen. I support it but won't lose any sleep over it.

:shrug:

[VenusRising]

33. Absolutely!

K&R

[Hubert Flottz]

34. If we don't punish criminals they go on to commit worse crimes...

The NeoCons are living proof.

[Swamp Rat]

35. Exactly!

THEY planned for world domination, and still do.

Get ready for a bumpy ride folks.

[Solly Mack]

37. An election can't erase war crimes

Neither can justice - but justice would prove America doesn't support those war crimes or the war criminal executive that is still in office.

Right now America is a nation that allows war criminals to go free. That really needs to change.

I stand for that change.

[pleah]

38. I am so there! Arrest, prosecute, convict, imprison!

As soon as possible!

[Danascot]

39. The Bush Administration's crimes

must be prosecuted to the full extend of federal and international law. The message must be that NO one can be allowed to be above the law. The government has the resources available both to pursue the investigations, indictments, etc and carry out the many other needed activities that are so critical to our nation at this time. We on the left must drive the message that this must be done because if we don't do it, no one else will. Whenever DUers find organizations working toward the prosecution of these criminals and related developments, please bring them to our attention here so we can run with them as we have done with so many other important causes. I personally am prepared to devote significant time and money to help right these wrongs.

[robinlynne]

40. count on me.

[Mnemosyne]

44. Present. n/t

[mike_c]

45. this is issue number one for me-- has been since Bush invaded Iraq....

Recommended!

[intheflow]

47. Count me in!

I never saw a more deserving bunch of war criminals than the Bush administration.

[tomp]

49. you're wasting your breath.

asking obama to prosecute the bush criminals after the powell/obama mutual endorsement is near delusional.

unless we can mount a huge mass movement for this idea, to force obama, it ain't going to happen.

and frankly, even if we could, I still wouldn't be too hopeful.

[donheld]

54. Of course, cuz Barack always forgets to read DU

but we can say it none the less.

[tomp]

65. i'm assuming that's some sort of snide comment....

....but i really don't know what you're talking about.

My #1 issue is is accountability for government criminality. Get that, #1.

Obama has had access to the same information we have or better (i.e., he doesn't need to read du). I'm not addressing obama. I'm addressing bothedrummer. i gave up on obama when he invited the war criminal powell into his administration.

but then, i thought that was pretty clear.

you got a beef, say it plain.

[Truth2Tell]

50. Yep. nt

[leveymg]

51. With you, my friend.

Can't believe anyone would want to let the bastards off the hook.

[PinkyisBlue]

52. This is a big issue for me.

I want the crimes committed by members of this administration exposed, and I want the guilty people prosecuted. We can't move to the future until we have dealt with the past.

It angers me to hear people say "we have to move on to heal the nation". If you or I robbed a bank 10 years ago and were apprehended today, noone would be saying "let her go, it's in the past, it doesn't matter now." Justice and accountability are important; the policies and actions of this administration have destroyed a lot of people's lives and caused untold amounts of damage. Nazi war criminals are still being tried for their crimes 60 years after the fact; we can certainly do the same for the criminals in our own country.

[donheld]

53. Don't forget Tom Delay. His comeuppance is due really soon.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

55. This is JOB ONE.

Without this nothing else really means a damn thing.

Failure to perfrom this one task will only allow these criminals to return (when does not really matter) and finish the work they have had in progress for at least the last sixty years.

NO JUSTICE: NO PEACE, NO PROGRESS.

[bluetrain]

56. You're delusional if you think Obama isn't beholden to many of the same people BushCo are.

There will be no prosecution for war crimes nor anything else.

[Independent_Liberal]

116. Not unless we really want it and fight like hell for it.

As others in this thread have said, just ignoring and forgetting about crimes allows criminals to come back and do the same shit and possibly even worse.

[wilsonbooks]

57. Totally agree.

The record of the Dem's in congress over the last two years and their failure to investigate the myriad crimes does not inspire much confidence.

Without exposure of the extent of the damage done and consequences for the criminals we are guaranteed that history will once again repeat itself in the future.

[Frosty1]

186. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Smith_3]

58. K&R!

[pat_k]

59. As the defacto leader of the party, his real duty is to call for impeachment. . .

Prosecution is about retribution/justice.

Impeachment is about rescuing the Constitution; it's about defending the foundation of American justice.

Impeachment is crucial if we are to reclaim our status as a moral nation. Prosecution can't accomplish the same thing.

Bush and Cheney are committing their crimes in plain sight. Congress has stood by and witnessed the intolerable abuses. By refusing to even put articles of impeachment to a vote, Congress is declaring "Nothin' wrong here."

If Bush and Cheney are granted an honorable exit -- tacit approval from Congress and tea with Obama on the way out -- the prospects of prosecution are slim.

Making impeachment a reality will require some doing, but the effort is probably far less than the effort that would be required to make prosecution a reality if Bush and Cheney exit unimpeached.

[immoderate]

60. Hang 'em high!

After a fair trial of course.

--IMM

[Duende azul]

61. hold them accountable

these criminals won´t retire by themselves

[DeeDeeNY]

62. K & R

[conscious evolution]

63. I'm in

Prosecuting the members of the bush administration would go a long way to setting this country back on track.

[prostock69]

64. If we are to garner the respect of the World,

we need to show them we hold those within our Country accountable for their actions. Period. No more cover-ups and lies from our administrations.

[tomp]

67. this THE most important issue....

....and the primary reason why i do not support obama. his signalling of rapproachmaent the the criminal bush administration, ("reaching across the aisle", getting cozy with powell, non-committal statements about his intention to prosecute,etc) is really all you need to know about him.

this is the number one issue in america and obama has dropped it. this is not an accident. this is who obama is. this is the raison d'etre for all the vague and wonderful oratory. it is democratic complicity a la pelosi. prosecution is off the table.

only an IMMENSE mass movement will change anything. you ready for that, do you think you can do that? i'll give that as much support as i can. but be clear, asking nice is not going to get us anywhere.

because this is THE most important issue, i refuse to take it with less than maximum seriousness.

[lunatica]

68. Count me in. We have laws for a reason.

We've thrown more people in jail than any other country on earth. Why stop now?

[mirrera]

70. k&r

[furgee]

72. Totally agree - Get impeachment on the table so Bush can't pardon anyone

[Independent_Liberal]

114. Yes, furgee.

Start with impeachment, trial and conviction. Then move on to prosecution.

[leftofthedial]

73. never gonna happen

[Independent_Liberal]

111. And we'll never see a black president in this lifetime either.

Well, what just happened on Tuesday?

[Art_from_Ark]

143. Obama reminds me of the father of the groom-to-be

in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. After Sir Launcelot arrives at the wedding party and kills half of the guests, he and the groom's father become buddies, and the father implores the surviving guests not to dwell on "who killed who". After all, "this is supposed to be a HAPPY occasion".

[MrsBrady]

74. k&R

[orleans]

75. yes we do. n/t

[OnyxCollie]

76. I'm with you. nt

[democrank]

78. Hundreds of thousands of dead people

a shredded Constitution and secret torture sites. Prosecute.

[robertpaulsen]

79. I'm with you all the way! K & R!

:kick:

[turbo_satan]

80. Calling Mr. Bugliosi..... (n/t)

[redqueen]

82. Count me in. We can't let crimes like GITMO and the politicization of intel

for the Iraq war go unpunished.

These are not petty things.

[bdamomma]

85. any DU Vermonters out there

Did that Ms. Dennett for Attorney General get elected, she was going to prosecute Bush also.

[Romulox]

87. Ummm, forget prosecution. Obama's promised to put Bush admin war criminals in his freaking cabinet!

[Wizard777]

89. I'm all for it!

After the holocaust the Jews decided to forgive but never forget. We're not Israel. We will niether forgive nor forget. We demand fair trials for Bush & Cheney.......even though they're against fair trials.

[RussBLib]

91. Needs to wait until after Inauguration Day

If you investigate now, Bush could try to pull some sort of pre-emptive pardon, which could tie things up indefinitely in the courts.

Wait until after Obama is inaugurated, and THEN investigate and prosecute so that Bush won't have any chance at pardoning anyone.

[Keanna1]

92. Definitely count me in!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he already pardon himself?

:hurts:

[snappyturtle]

94. Absolutely. K&R nt

[Blue State Bandit]

95. Obama to Bush on Monday:

"Be mindful of who you decide to pardon Mr. President, or we may decide to go after the one person you can't pardon...
Yourself".




I believe it is more important to take out his facilitators:

-Paul Wolfowitz

-Steven Hadley

-John Bolton

-Karl Rove

-Donald Rumsfeld

-Dick Cheney

-Randy Schenuemann

-Daniel Pipes

-Larry Franklin

-Michael Ledeen

-And many more...

I would be willing to send Bushie to his room (back to Texas), if we could get these true criminal operators and warcrimes facilitators of the streets.

And it would go a long way towards rebuilding our reputation in the world with out seeming hyper-partisan at home. Most listed here are seen as liabilities to true conservative ideals.

[Wednesdays]

97. Obama's very smart. I predict he won't publicly pursue Bush criminals

While at the same time, his appointed staff will quietly go about their business, seeing to it justice is served. :headbang:

[Jack Rabbit]

100. Delegating the authority until it's time to give the OK to prosecute is best

I'd like to nail these guys, and it would be less divisive if it were done in federal criminal courts than turn it over to an international tribunal.

Nevertheless, I expect President Obama to spend most of his time an energy on fixing the mess they leave behind than prosecuting them. Their misdeeds have consequences, all right. The first thing we need to do in minimize those consequences to us, even at the risk of letting them go.

[tilsammans]

107. This is my hope, too n/t

:kick:

[defendandprotect]

98. When did it become a clever idea NOT to pursue nation's criminals...??

And, then, why are we bothering with the oath of office -- ???

[antigop]

101. I'm in. n/t

[Just-plain-Kathy]

102. I want them all held accountable..all of them!!

If we don't hold our politicians accountable, what's to stop others from doing the same thing?

[paparush]

104. Agreed, wholeheartedly! Paparush in NC (which will turn blue on or about Dec 1st)

[Ganja Ninja]

105. I'm in!

Kick

[ToolTex]

108. I support this. n/t

[Generator]

109. Dream on

I'm sorry but Obama isn't taking anyone on. He may try to win them over and appoint them to his "team" but he sure as shit ain't prosecuting anyone. Wow. Two days and not only am I bitter, I'm really bitter. I LOVE that he won but I already feel I won't be voting for him again. He is not interested in bringing anyone to justice. HELL if he was even interested in things like you know the Constitution he would not have supported FISA.

Mostly he's a politician. I don't know what kind of leader he will be. So far it's been all about him,which I have learned over my last years on DU being a politician means it's guess what-all about him. My expectations are really low, and this again is really sad because it's only been TWO days but he has done nothing that says CHANGE yet. Just the opposite-instead his goal is to include all the Republicans that brought you the horror because as we know we can't end the horror without including them. THAT was what Mr. Obama ran on, afterall. And we bought it because we had to. Because we can't win without the evil fucks. (oops I mean the dear Republicans-and no not the PEOPLE but their leaders they are the responsible ones) Which I guess means were fucked.

[Fiendish Thingy]

110. as Napoleon Dynamite would say, "heck, yeah!", but...

it'll never happen.

[Independent_Liberal]

153. As I said to a poster below, never say never.

I'll say it again, Tuesday proved anything's possible.

[lpbk2713]

113. I found this too late for a reco.

But I'm all for the concept.


:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:

[Ezlivin]

117. It's Fitzmas!

Oh, wait that was the other criminal prosecution that was going to put some of the administration behind bars.

How well did that work out?

Don't get me wrong: I sincerely wish we would see a serious effort at a criminal investigation. But seeing how poorly the 9/11 Investigation was carried out gives me little hope for a "real" investigation of crimes of a lesser nature.

[blm]

118. Absolutely.....OPEN THE BOOKS, President Obama.

.

[nyc 4 Biden]

119. Too late to Rec.

Oh well, I agree. There needs to be accountability.

[Phred42]

120. The ONLY WAY to validate the Rule Of Law is to Prosecute

and if guilty, Jail, fines and/or ??? to the FULLEST extent of The LAW!

[MissDeeds]

121. Well, apparently I'm a day late

in recommending this. But I fully support the prosecution of Bush administration criminals. We cannot go back and undo history, but we can bring to account those responsible for past atrocities.

:kick:

[Richard D]

122. Count me in.

[JohnWxy]

123. OH, if only. But they have left the nation in such a mess Obama and all the Dems are going to be so

involved in trying to save the situation they will have little time to try the perps. Too damn bad though. I too believe in law and order - even for those in the Government (heretical idea to the Fascists).

[JohnWxy]

124. OH, if only. But they have left the nation in such a mess Obama and all the Dems are going to be so

involved in trying to save the situation they will have little time to try the perps. Too damn bad though. I too believe in law and order - even for those in the Government (heretical idea to the Fascists).

[WA98070]

125. They must, it's the law, it's our credibility, and we hired him to do it.

[santamargarita]

127. This is an absolute MUST!

There is a new crop of fascist pigs peeking out from under their rocks, watching - a conviction would be a clear warning!

[Dangerman]

128. Agreed.

George Bush and his ilk destroyed America and its' reputation in world, and they must be held accountable for their crimes! :mad:

[bertman]

129. Too late to rec, so here's a kick.

I'll sign on to that.

[RedCloud]

130. Do it for the 9/11 families forced to sign

that self serving promise not to sue Bush in order to get the people's donations. That spells suspicion!

[0xDEADBEEF]

131. Sign the War Crimes Tribunal Treaty...

Submit it to the Senate for Ratification (unlike Bill Clinton), and send President Bush and his co-conspirators to The Hague.

[rsweets]

132. Count me in

[dailykoff]

134. Hear here.

You got my K/R about a week ago.

[mmm413]

135. Right there with you!

[vanboggie]

136. Yeppers! n/t

[Imagevision]

137. Obama says his aunt broke the law, must leave country, what about Cheney & Bush?

Obama's aunt was living in the US. illegally, he continued on stating; "we're a country of laws and the laws must not be broken."

[Richardo]

138. Yes! That's what the country wants!

Jesus.

[CLANG]

139. No time for a trial with this economy in crisis

We'll just have to convict and imprison immediately!

[The Craw]

140. Just don't let the tinfoil hat '911 conspiracy' crowd define the lists of charges

Hold Bush and cronies accountable for manipulating evidence and lying us into a war- but if there arrests and trials, leave all the 9/11 conspiracy BS at the door, as that is all mental illness fueled fiction, and a distraction from the truth.....

History will be very unkind to GW Bush, that is the ultimate punishment

[FailureToCommunicate]

151. History will not be kind to Congress either if

they fail to follow the law. All of them swore an oath to uphold the laws of the land. Round 'em up. Try 'em, and book 'em. There are already
convenient off-shore prisons they can languish in. Elba? St Helena? Gitmo?

[KoKo]

141. Proud to Kick......we cannot ever forget....Accountability or we will repeat this mess

over and over. :-(

[w00master]

142. It'll never happen. Sorry, but it won't.

[Independent_Liberal]

152. Never say never my friend.

Just read my post up above somewhere. Tuesday proved that anything's possible.

[unkachuck]

144. K&R....n/t

[Diclotican]

145. bobthedrummer

bobthedrummer

I agree, get the criminals to Justice.. And then sort out the worst to stand trial.. The top 20 should go to a special war crimes tribunal.. The other would be hold accountable in another court... Or should be taken into the special war crimes tribunal itself if necessary.. US need to get a clean break to hold the ones responsible for what happened the last 8 year..

US need it.. The world as an large NEED it because then US can prove all and for all, that they do follow the LAW OF THE LAND.. Even if the criminals ARE the ADMINISTRATION.. Get the scum bags in the cort, and prove one and for all, that NO ONE IS OVER THE LAW..

Please do it, if you do not doing this... Then other will try to do it far worse.. Even to use nuclear weapon against another country. And not just treating about it, but use it..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[WheelWalker]

146. Yeppers. If you want to dance, you've got to pay the band.

[Chemical Bill]

147. Yes! n/t

[Capt. America]

148. Dear President Obama:

We need a truth and reconciliation commission to uncover the abuses of justice over the last 8 years or this country (at least me) will not be able to "move on" as some people are suggesting. These criminals must be either brought to justice or made to speak the truth for the sake of history.

[man4allcats]

149. I am on board with this 110%.

Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. If we are not, then the democracy we've fought so hard to reclaim from these criminals means nothing. Bushco must pay for its crimes to the full extent and within the letter of the law.

[Mira]

150. standing with you K&R

[pam4water]

154. I hope he'll do somethin but I'm not holding my breath.

[emmadoggy]

156. I'm with ya.

:thumbsup:

[windoe]

157. Justice and the rule of law mean nothing

if it can be so openly and blatantly broken by our highest officials on an international scale. The giant diseased pink elephant still needs it's carcass removed or we will all become ill from the stench of it.

[Name removed]

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[cartach]

160. You're lucky you live in the good ole USA.

If you lived in some other countries the rule of law would be out the window and you and your buddies would be hunted down in the streets for the atrocities committed by the Bush administration. It's ignorant red neck thinking like yours that has led this country to the brink and might yet cause it to go over. If you had any brains at all you'd know that the US is now a lame duck country and if things get worse and they surely will, the least that should be done is to throw those responsible into the slammer for the waste and corruption. And hey,don't worry about enduring hell,you're welfare payments will likely go up in the near future and you can buy youself that new rifle you've been wanting.

[TahitiNut]

162. Spoken like a "good German." Sieg Heil!

Stupid fascist fuck. R.I.P.

Obama4racists (1 posts) Fri Nov-07-08 01:04 AM
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158. Bobthedrummer, you are an idiot

Prosecution? You are an idiot. On what grounds? It's simple minded idiots like you that let the democrats take over the house and senate in 2006, and to run our country into the ground ever since. Executive Branch Accountability Act of 2008? A warped lesbian in Mass. tries to make a name for herself, and you consider it legislation? It's infantile thinking like this thats gonna lead to the fall of this country...Father please forgive them, for they know not what they do.....has a whole new meaning now...the hell we are about to endure will make 9-11 look like an acne outbreak...hopefully you'll be one of the first to go ......Then we can prosecute Obama under the Anti American Accountability Act of 2012.

[cartach]

159. No truer words were ever spoken ! However

I think that unless there is a groundswell of public opinion or some means whereby a private citizen can lay a complaint that will be recognized by the legal system, I think that this will die a natural death. The very fact that no real grassroots movement took the bull by the horns in any meaningful way during the last eight years given all the abuse that took place, suggests to me that the country suffers from a king sized case of apathy, regardless of the change that just taken place. I'm convinced that no matter what their stripe, politicians consider themselves apart from the common herd and not accountable beyond recieving a slap on the wrists from time to time. There's no doubt that Obama has many good qualities and we shall see if he has the balls to provide leadership on the impeachment issue, but somehow I doubt it will get the attention it deserves.

[TahitiNut]

161. Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

:grr:

[obamacon]

163. Present Financial and Foreign Policy Problems

The next election is two years away. America is consumed with problems here and abroad. Much needs to be done. Two years may seem like a while, but it will go by fast. I suppose our new leaders will decide how they want to use this time.

[Enthusiast]

165. It's as if they feel entitled to their lawbreaking

ways. These nutters believe they are doing the Lord's work. They won't suddenly become law abiding if not prosecuted. It only encourages them.

On the other hand they would enact draconian laws against those that have an abortion or are gay. There is no advantage in allowing their misdeeds to just "slide".

Lets not forget who we are dealing with here. Make no mistake, these are no regular religious zealots, they are complete loonytoons bent on bringing about The End Times.

[webDude]

166. k&r!!!

[nightwing1240]

168. Where do I sign that petition!!

If someone hasnt started one yet, now's the time to do so. Bush/Cheney should be prosecuted for ALL the criminal activity we've seen from the executive branch for the last eight years and it's time to pay the piper!! But I would get the ball rolling BEFORE Bush pardons the many criminal cronies and especially Cheney!!

Go get em Barack and let's teach those nasty Rethugs that no matter what, they are NOT above the law!!

[Frosty1]

187. Here's your link to get to it.

http://www.usalone.com/impeach_now.php

[peruban]

169. Won't matter.

I know that I heard that Bush bought a ranch in some Central American country with no extradition laws and many of his cronies have made similar plans. They probably don't count on pardons but I doubt their dumb enough to stick around while we scratch our coconut heads and figure it all out.

[Frosty1]

188. They have recently signed an extradition agreement

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Kajsa]

171. Absolutely!

And they must comply with subpoenas

or- off to the slammer with them!

These jerks have gotten away with murder for too long.

:(

[ooglymoogly]

172. What has caused our present downfall has been the unbridled lawlessness

of the "ruling class"; Until that is brought under control, made an example of, none of the other seemingly larger problems can be solved.

[backtoblue]

173. behind bars

Yep, they should all be locked away in some deep crater where it's really, really hot.....
:evilgrin:

[infomanusa]

174. bush---criminal activities,,,

equal justice for all,,,,bush and his cabinet has to face congressional hearings for treason, fraud, and over-throwing the u.s. government,,,such as sending our manufacturing base to other countries, not upholding the contitution as sworn oath,,,such as immigration,,,ignoring congress,,,failing to uphold the most important part of our government,,,checks and balance,,,the list could go on for days,,,its time to make ALL--ACCOUNTABLE,,F.G.S,,,INFOMAN,,,,OHIO,,,PEACE

[creeksneakers2]

175. Count me in

I want to know about faked Obama videos.

[Mme. Defarge]

176. Absolument!

[leolady100]

177. Pelossi is the problem

Nancy Pelossi has stopped Conyers everytime he wanted to go after Bush. I think she is a Republican who has been planted in the Democratic Party. Bush thought it was great when Melosovik (I think that is the spelling) was caught and tried for war atrocities. He knows that the Dems will look the other way like they have in everything he has done. How can we get our govt. to stand up to this man. Have you seen what he plans to do before he is out the door? It is terrible.

[onenote]

178. I think spelling is the problem

:eyes:

[Frosty1]

189. Perhaps she knew the timing wasn't right?

We are in a much better position now than we ever were.

[onehandle]

179. Not a chance. Bush will pardon everyone and Obama will not investigate Bush.

I wish that wasn't true, but it is.

[bobthedrummer]

181. We, the people can prevent that through the Executive Branch Accountability Act of 2008 & other laws

:patriot:

[Kjaereste]

182. Way overdue, but it needs to be done.

If we don't prosecute war criminals, it sets a hideous precedent and shows the world that all our talk about being better than that is just talk.

Kate

[bobthedrummer]

183. See, we are not alone-who else is with US?

:patriot:

[bobthedrummer]

184. .

[Zorra]

185. Count me in. n/t