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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:42 PM
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Larry Johnson:Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)
America got a terrific look at a classy lady yesterday when Valerie Plame testified before Henry Waxman's Government Reform and Oversight Committee about the events surrounding her betrayal by the Bush Administration. And America got a disturbing look at a Republican party devoid of reason and just plain common sense when Georgia Congressman Lynn Westmoreland and Libby loyalist Victoria Toensing did the intellectual equivalent of declaring, THERE IS NO SUN.

You see, it was rainy and cloudy in Washington, DC yesterday. Since they could not see the Sun there was in fact no Sun. They had to see it to believe it. Okay. I'm making that part up. Westmoreland and Toensing were far more obtuse and stupid than a person who would insist the Sun did not exist because they could not see it. Westy and Toenag demonstrated a level of stupidity and obtuseness that one usually only encounters among schizophrenics hospitalized with the criminally insane. Despite Valerie's sworn testimony and a statement endorsed by the current director of the CIA, these dopes droned on and on that Valerie Plame was not undercover when she was exposed in Robert Novak's July 2003 ill-fated column.

I find it absolutely mind boggling that adults like Westmoreland and Toensing can be so out of touch with reality and still allowed to walk around without a straight jacket keeping them under control. It would be one thing if we were arguing about the color of Valerie's hair color in 1989 and had only a black and white picture as evidence. Such a discussion would truly be one based on one's own opinions. But that is not the case here folks. It is a simple question. Was Valerie a covert officer when her name appeared in Bob Novak's column in July 2003?

Before Valerie's testimony on Friday the CIA had never put anything on the public record regarding her status. Yesterday the CIA came out of the closet. CIA Director Michael Hayden approved a statement that contained the following language:

During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was under cover.

Her employment status with the CIA was classified information prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.

At the time of the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14,2003, Ms. Wilson's CIA employment status was covert.

This was classified information.

Got it? The Director of the CIA confirmed in public for the first time that Valerie Plame Wilson was undercover, was covert and that this information was classified. What is it about English that goober Congressman Westmoreland and ditzy Vicky Toensing don't understand?

But hell, you do not have to believe General Hayden. Believe Valerie. She testified under oath. The results of the Lewis "Scooter" Libby trial still fresh in her mind, she is asked under oath about an objective fact that, if wrong, can be easily disproved. She minced no words: "I was undercover".

The twit Victoria Toensing continued to insist however, along with other Bush apologists, that Valerie was not covert per the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Well, once again, here are the damn facts. According to the Intelligence Identities Protection Act:

(4) The term “covert agent” means:
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—

(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and

(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or
(C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.

You do not even have to be a lawyer to figure this out. You only need a brain. The first question is whether or not Valerie worked for the CIA. Newflash--she did!! Well, that's what Robert Novak was told by two Administration officials.

Point two--Was Valerie's indentity classified information? Yesterday CIA Director Michael Hayden said yes. Valerie, while under oath, also said yes. And we also have statements on the record by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and that of her fellow CIA colleagues--Jim Marcinkowski, Michael Grimaldi, Brent Cavan, and me--who are also on the record stating she was undercover and her identity as a CIA officer was classified.

Point three--Did Valerie meet any of the criteria set out above (i.e. A, B, or C)? The answer is yes, per subsection A. Valerie served outside the United States in the five years prior to July 2003. Valerie, under oath, said so. CIA Director Hayden approved a statement that said in part:

Ms. Wilson served at various times overseas for the CIA. Without discussing the specifics of Ms. W'ilson's classified work, it is accurate to say that she worked on the prevention of the development and use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States.

Since the CIA will only acknowledge that Valerie worked at the CIA from 2002 on this means the travel General Hayden refers to occurred in 2002 and 2003. If there is any lingering doubt among the mentally challenged Republicans simply subpoena her retirement record. The CIA recorded every date she traveled overseas.

Now Vicky Toensing, oblivious to the facts, insists that when she helped write the law this section was intended to mean you had to live overseas. BULLSHIT! Toensing is is now just making shit up. She has not been briefed by the CIA about Valerie's status nor has she been given access to classified information on Valerie's career. But it is not surprising that Toensing pretends to know what she has no way of knowing. She also claims to be a principal author of the IIPA. Not true. Just ask Brent Budowsky. Budowsky was Senator Lloyd Bentsen's chief staffer at the time and he was one of the principal drafters. Brent tells me that you did not have to live overseas to be considered covert. That is why they drew the distinction between sub-paragraph A and sub-paragraph B of the definition. (Right wingers should go get a friend to explain this portion to them. I realize it is complicated and involves some two syllable words, but you can grasp this is you try.)

Oh, and one more thing. Although Valerie only told a handful of people about her cover status the IIPA also states:

(d) Disclosure by agent of own identity
It shall not be an offense under section 421 of this title for an individual to disclose information that solely identifies himself as a covert agent.

You see? It was okay for Valerie to tell her husband where she worked. And Joe, who had been in charge of CIA officers when he was Ambassador, understood that you had to protect the identity of people undercover.

It was very sad watching the Georgia Congressman, Lynn Westmoreland, give the rest of America reason to believe that the South is inhabited with folks who are retarded versions of Gomer Pyle's cousin, Goober. He seems to have trouble accepting the fact that folks who work inside a classified facility like the CIA, don't walk around the halls like Wallmart greeters saying, "howdy, I'm Valerie and I'm undercover". When you join the CIA you are briefed on the fact that most of the folks you will be working with are undercover and that this information is classified and that you do not talk about people by name outside of Headquarters.

Oh, and another thing. The State Department INR memo, which was written in response to a request from Vice President Cheney's office, listed Valerie's name in a paragraph that was classified SECRET. Got it? If the information in the paragraph is not SECRET then it should be classified UNCLASSIFIED or U. But that did not happen here. Here name was listed in a classified paragraph. Boys and girls, that means the information in that paragraph is classified. Now, if someone can come up with a picture book for Congressman Goober that can penetrate the in-bred glaze covering his eyes I'll give you a special prize.

What did we learn in school today? UNDERCOVER = COVERT = CLASSIFIED. Valerie Plame was UNDERCOVER, COVERT, AND CLASSIFIED. And Valerie Plame was betrayed by Bush Administration officials who played politics with her classified identity. Val put that on the record and is willing to go to jail if she lied. But she told the truth, at great personal cost. Speaking of jail, I wonder if Scooter Libby longs for a big, beefy roomate or prefers the Charles Manson variety? Just wondering.

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/03/undercover_cove.html
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:44 PM
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1. Goober Westmoreland didn't do Georgia any favors by his performance...
He came off like sounding like a true idiot.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:06 PM
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18. Is it just me....or.....
....does anyone else see the resemblance to Jethro Bodine?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:51 PM
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2. I occasionally visit a board
filled with his clones, and they're still arguing over the "covert" classification. Oh, yeah, and now they claim that Mrs. Wilson LIED.

I think I'm going to go get a nice cup of tea, take a deep breath, and consider this board my home for the duration. Visiting said board isn't doing a damn thing for my blood pressure.

Maybe do some needlework for a while or something.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:58 PM
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4. Post a copy of this article
Mess with their simple minds.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:08 PM
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7. *SNICKER*
That's what I did :rofl:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:57 PM
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3. The Republic representatives are pathetic....they have absolutely
no business in DC...their ignorance is staggering..

What I would like to hear so maybe these idiots might get it...because all they understand is death and money....


We may never know the true damage this administratin inflicted upon this country by outing Valerie for political revenge.


Treason...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:02 PM
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5. Righteous! What a scathing commentary on the delusional rethugs. Nom! nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:05 PM
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6. Interesting--Toensing said that "served outside the US"
meant she had to have resided outside the US in the previous 5 years--apparently not true for Valerie, although she also apparently travelled outside the US in the line of duty. Toensing's best case rests on this shaky interpretation of "served."
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:13 PM
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8. She still doesn't have a leg to stand on. They drew the distinction between served and resided in th
e two sub-sections. It's pretty obvious what they intended in the law. If I go to war in Iraq and then come home, I served in Iraq. I didn't have to buy a home and live there to have served in Iraq.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:38 PM
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12. The front company Brewster Jennings was the true target of the neocons
http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

In order to phony up a war they needed to silence the legit WMD anti-proliferation ops like Brewster Jennings. First for Iraq and next for Iran.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:30 PM
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9. Toensing's neither stupid or obtuse. She knew precisely what she was doing:
perpetuating the lies under the guise of her "authoritative" background and experience. It's not that she doesn't understand that Plame was covert and that the investigation into violation of the IIPA was stymied not by a question of her status but by the lies of the WH/OVP. She knows.

She's like a defense attorney who sees a video of her client committing a crime and says, "That's not my client and even if it was my client, no crime was committed."

Her job was to get the old talking points out there for her team and that's precisely what she did. It wouldn't have mattered if Hayden and Tenet were sitting next to her saying Valerie Wilson was covert. Toensing would still stick to the script.

You can bet your ass that if this had happened under a Dem Administration, Vicki would be all over Faux and elsewhere screaming for criminal prosecutions.

As for "Ten Commandments" Westmoreland, yeah he probably is genuinely stupid but he too had his script.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:37 PM
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11. Toensing and diGenova are high (sort of) placed operatives for the
fascist movement. Well, more like middle management and PR hacks. David Brock in "Blinded by the Right" documents how they do their work. Worth a read to understand how things work as well as Brock's own maturation.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:12 AM
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14. She committed a felony on Friday: lying to congress.
She's exposing herself to prosecution to score political points for someone else. That doesn't seem very smart to me.

Maybe she thinks she can get away with it if the Democrats have larger fish to fry, which they do.

Maybe she's just a slimeball.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 06:32 PM
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21. Vicki's probably hiding behind the fig leaf that she was presenting her interpretations
of law and her opinions. Yes she's full of shit and lies, but being able to prosecute someone for their incorrect legal interpretations and opinions (even if presented as "fact") is another matter.

It'll be interesting to see how Waxman corrects the record and follows up. Vicki's been far too used to facing compliant media venues where she is not seriously challenged or held accountable for her garbage.

She's worse than a mere slimeball IMO.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 10:58 AM
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16. Just utterly corrupt. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:37 PM
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10. Great Post!!! After watching VToensing
narrowly try to "parce that law" all I could think
of is how Republicans, including Toensing, used
to go into hysterics loudly and vociferously
condemning B. Clinton for "parcing" things.
I kept thinking and chuckling--She sounds like
"it all depends on the meaning of is".

Have you noticed how people accuse others of
that which they are most guilty. It takes
a parcer to know one. She takes the cake.
Fox has used her over the last month to do
the parcing bit on that law.

I was so glad to see the truth come out.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:54 PM
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13. And it wouldn't matter if VT HAD written the law. We re-interpret Jefferson's words all the time;
why not hers??

But yes, she is simply making things up as needed: have to reside overseas; can't have just travelled and returned; doesn't matter what "they" call VP "in the hallways"; and then the absurd "she was not covert under the statute"---NEVER MIND the CIA's OWN classification!
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:22 AM
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15. Great post!
Thanks and a kick!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:17 AM
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17. I read Larry Johnson all the time!
another great post!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:31 PM
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19. This paragraph about the INR memo is really interesting. Does anyone here have this
memo? (meaning link, or have you seen it?)
I would like to see this.


Oh, and another thing. The State Department INR memo, which was written in response to a request from Vice President Cheney's office, listed Valerie's name in a paragraph that was classified SECRET. Got it? If the information in the paragraph is not SECRET then it should be classified UNCLASSIFIED or U. But that did not happen here. Here name was listed in a classified paragraph.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:31 PM
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20. Declassified June 10 INR memo available in .pdf format at Truthout.
Direct link to doc: http://truthout.org/imgs.art_01/fordmemo.pdf

The July 7 version addressed to Powell ("The Secretary") is here: http://www.nysun.com/pics/31062_2.php
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:30 PM
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24. Thank-you Garbo!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:15 PM
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22. Dang!! Apologize that I posted a dupe!! I did a search and ...
... for some reason your post from yesterday evening didn't appear.

Regrets.

I'm giving you a recommend and beg pardon ...


Peace.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:30 PM
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23. They can argue all they want. It wont change a thing
Robert Novak is a traitor. National security was obviously compromised by political assassins. Frick and Frack can 'testify' until the cows come home and it won't change the law. Plame's identity with the CIA was classified and that is a matter of fact on record now.

I know Freeptards are having a hard time with this, but the law is the law.
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