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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:14 PM
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Are churches allowed to advocate for/against a ballot question?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:16 PM
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1. Remove their tax exemption now!
That's how I feel at this point.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:19 PM
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6. I feel the same way
I disagree with their stance - both for selfish reasons and because I've seen with my own eyes too many times black/minority kids getting arrested for possession (and no, never in addition to a more violent crime as is claimed by the ministers).

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thraxis Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:18 PM
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14. If they are required to pay taxes, they will become a political force
larger and stronger than can be imagined.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:28 PM
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15. On what grounds exactly?
They are allowed to voice opinions on issues. Just not on candidates or parties. So AFAIK it is perfectly valid for them to advocate for or against a particular ballot initiative.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:17 PM
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2. Yes
the only prohibitions on 501C3's regarding politics is that they may not lobby for or endorse a particular party or individual candidate.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:21 PM
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8. That shouldn't be right
I think it not only violates the spirit of separation, I think there are so many questions that draw out a certain segment of a certain base.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:17 PM
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3. Vintage Park Community Church in South Sac has a "Yes on 8" sign on their lawn
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 09:18 PM by chimpsrsmarter
and on their church sign out front. I still don't know if it's legal or not. I've emailed them and called them---nothing.



http://www.vpcchurch.org/contact.htm
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 12:33 AM
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18. Churches are allowed to advocate for/against propositions.
It's dreadfully tacky, but legal.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:18 PM
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4. I would think that it would violate their IRS status.
What if they were in CA advocating 'Yes on 8'? Same thing.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:18 PM
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5. see my post right above yours.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:26 PM
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10. No IRS Rules
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 09:27 PM by SoCalNative
To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.


http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=9...
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:21 PM
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7. Depends on if they're using a PAC to do it from
Some churches set-up PACS. Also, some churches don't have non-profit status, so they too can advocate.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:22 PM
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9. Ballot questions shouldn't be exempt
What part of the "establishment clause" do they no get?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:27 PM
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11. Indeed
:thumbsup:
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:33 PM
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12. What if the ballot question
would directly affect religious institutions?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:38 PM
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13. Then it's a matter for the courts
It should NOT be fought in the political arena.

The ballot initiative should have been ruled illegal.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 12:02 AM
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17. What part of freedom of speech and free exercise of religion don't you get? n/t
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 02:55 AM
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19. If they finally just tax the churches...
what will some people whinge about all day on DU?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 12:01 AM
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16. Yes. They have freedom of speech.
What if it was a referendum to eliminate the death penalty? Would you still say they shouldn't be able to say "thou shalt not kill"?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 03:08 AM
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20. If they weren't, then the government would put any issue where churches are critical of them...
on the ballots.

1960, deep south "Quiet down MLK, this civil rights stuff is on the ballot, your church is getting taxed"

Similarly, if Abortion comes up as an issue, you can't expect the RCC to suddenly have no opinion on the matter.


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