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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:38 PM
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11 percent unemployment? By one measure, it's already here!
:scared:

http://www.slate.com/id/2202879

Rather, these two figures are undermeasuring the weakness in the labor market. By some measures, in fact, the job situation is worse than it has been at any time since 1994.

Here's why. Back in the 1990s, the Bureau of Labor Statistics recognized that in a changing economy, in which outsourcing, self-employment, and contracting were becoming more commonplace, the traditional methods of measuring unemployment and job growth might not accurately portray the economic situation. And it knew its methodology had some quirks—the unemployment rate doesn't account for people who have given up looking for jobs, or who have taken themselves out of the work force. So since 1994, the BLS has been compiling alternative measures of labor underutilization. There are many different varieties of labor underutilization. There are marginally attached workers: "persons who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the recent past." There are discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached crowd, who have "given a job-market related reason for not looking currently for a job." There are people who work part-time because they can't find—or their employer can't provide—full-time work. There are people who have left the work force entirely. Neither the unemployment rate nor the payroll jobs figure captures the plight of many of these folks.

And the alternative labor underutilization measures show a lot of stress. The data on people not in the work force show the number of people not looking for work because they're discouraged about finding jobs has risen from 276,000 in September 2007 to 467,000 in September 2008—up 70 percent. The percentage of people unemployed for more than 15 weeks stood at 2.3 percent in September 2008, up from 1.6 percent in September 2007, a rise of nearly 45 percent. But the most troublesome is the U6. The U6 is sort of the summa of job angst, a shorthand tally for the aggregate of job-related frustration. (Moneybox covered some of this terrain back in 2004.) To compile the U6, the BLS takes the number of unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus all of those employed part-time for economic reasons, and then calculates that total as a percentage of the sum of the entire civilian labor force plus marginally attached workers.

The U6 in September rose to 11 percent, its highest level since the data series started in 1994 and significantly higher than it was in the last recession, in 2001. The ratio between the U6 and the official unemployment rate has remained relatively steady over the last several years. But that means that as the unemployment rate has risen, so too has the portion of the population suffering from other types of work deficits. Three years ago, when the unemployment rate was 5.1 percent, an additional 3.9 percent of the labor force fell into one of those other underutilized categories. Last month, with the unemployment rate at 6.1 percent, an additional 4.9 percent of the labor force was underutilized. (See charts comparing the unemployment rate and the U6 rate.) Add it up, and more than 10 percent of American workers are essentially not contributing full-time to their families' well-being and to that of the economy at large. The unemployment rate may still be historically low, but the underutilization is historically high.


Wonder how soon they'll just quit publishing the U6, like the Fed did with the M3 money supply figure? :eyes: Heckuvajob, Bushie! :sarcasm:

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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:02 PM
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1. Household survey -vs- Payroll survey
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 07:04 PM by JohnnyRingo
is another factor in the unemployment cover up.

Since the Great Depression,our government used The Payroll Survey to calculate how many people are unemployed. Using this method, the feds would contact a number of key employers, and ask if they were hiring or firing.

In 2002, GWB was faced with a 2 million job deficit. Late in the year they announced they would start using The Household Survey "to better calculate" the employment picture. Overnight, Buxh went to a 2 million job surplus since 2000.

In the Household Survey the govt contacts a number of random homes, asking if they're working or idled. If the person on the other end of the line answers "I lost my job at the car plant, and now I'm delivering pizzas", the household goes into the "employed" column.

Added to the figure are unemployment stats, but if unemployment benefits are expired, the person is assumed to be back to work.

This chicanery in book keeping is a trademark of the Buxh Administration. In 2003, when many small businesses complained that they received no help from the last round of Buxh tax cuts, the admin simply rewrote what they defined as a "small business".

No one should be surprised that the economy is much worse than "official" statistics show.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:04 PM
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2. 8.9 percent Unemployment in Michigan more like 20 percent in reality.
It's a nightmare here in Michigan.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:12 PM
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3. Yep, it sure is
I really hope GM doesn't merge with Chrysler. There is no way we can afford another 30,000 jobs that would be lost from these 2 combining. Things never seem to get better.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:15 PM
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4. 1400 jobs gone at the Wyoming Michigan GM plant in December of 2009.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:19 PM
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5. Shadow Government Statistics has been following this for a very long time. Look at this graph
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 07:21 PM by Selatius


The gray line represents U-6 unemployment, the broadest measure of unemployment that the BLS reports.

The red line represents U-3 unemployment, which is what most organizations and government entities use.

The blue line--and this is important--is what the U-6 unemployment would be if the Clinton administration did not define away "discouraged workers" into the reporting netherworld. GWB has not reversed any of the Clinton-era changes and likely never would have.

It is apparent from the graph that the US economy, job-wise, is now no better than it was back in 1994.

During the height of the Great Depression, the unemployment rate was over 30 percent, and that is official government reporting. The true unemployment rate could have easily been pushing 40 percent or higher in reality.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:29 PM
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6. "marginally attached worker"
That pretty much describes what I've been since late 2002.

However, the government thinks the desk in the corner of my spare bedroom represents job creation. Never mind that it pays about 20% of my last real job or that I would much prefer something else.

I am working on that. I am learning some decidedly blue collar trade and craft skills with the intention of eventually expatriating myself (and my ten years of college education) and starting a small business in another country. There is nothing that makes me hopeful that my future prospects will materially improve here in the US.

My first priority is to provide and care for myself and my first loyalty is to my family. The politics and socio-economic institutions in the US undermine my priorities and loyalties. Given that, there is simply no reason why I should not take my toys and all my meager assets and go elsewhere to invest in my future. IMHO, there are far better opportunities elsewhere.





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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:41 PM
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:58 PM
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8. It won't be dinnertime out here for another few hours
but I think I'm hungry for pizza...
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:04 PM
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9. Dude. The executive passes or vetos everything Congress does
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 08:07 PM by turtlensue
And lets not forget how many BAD programs were rubber stamped by the REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN CONGRESS including your best bud John McCain who voted with President Moron 90% of the time. But whoops suddenly he doesn't want to admit that?
John McCain an experienced MORON.
On edit: You might have a better chance if you can at least SPELL Barack Obama's name right...:rofl:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:08 PM
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11. And let's not forget the infamous signing statement
Mind you, it can only be used in the negative (as in ignoring or reversing portions of the original bill).
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:08 PM
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10. "Ohbama"? Oh brother.
:eyes:
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:08 PM
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12. .
:popcorn:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:12 PM
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13. Heh!
:evilgrin: :silly: :crazy:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:12 PM
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14. Is your "half a brain" tied behind your back?
Just wondering.....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:14 PM
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15. 1/2 a brain? Doesn't have 2 cells of brain matter to rub together!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:17 PM
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16. "At least those with half a brain"?
That's it! I figured out who this is!!

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:27 PM
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17. Spend us dry and back our rich Arab . . . umm, like the Saudi royal family?
Or the bin Laden family who the Bush family has been friendly with for decades?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:29 PM
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18. I bet you voted for Bush so your opinion of politics is WORTHLESS now.
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 08:29 PM by Lex
Because you've been proven incapable of analyzing any political situation.

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:35 PM
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20. Are you shittin' me, Sonny Jim?
You could at least spell his fucking name right, douche nozzle.

Bad Republican policy cannot be cured by bad Republican policy.

If McCain steals it, this country will be shot in the fucking head.

People like you disgust me to no fucking end. Impale yourself on a stalagmite.

Oh, and in case you were wondering . . . if you start a sentence off with "I am not prejudice" :eyes: . . . YOU ARE.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:49 PM
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21. Fuck off, Freeper! Eat your pizza.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:56 PM
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22. You were supposed to make a RIGHT turn at the crossroads.
Kindly get your stinky troll as out of here, and if you would be so kind, please leave a case of Lysol, so we can fumigate your stench out of here.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:10 PM
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25. You jut got stuck with McLame because all the other repubs have records of illicit behavior
and McLame is an adulterer. Because that is not illegal, he's in! Way to defend the sanctity of marriage Johnny Mac! :rofl:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:12 PM
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26. I'm John McCain...
...and I approve of this message.

Do real Americans suggest that other Americans are not "real" Americans?

Then we have "real Einstein." lol. Was real Einstein a real American?

I love the "you will not regret it!" line.

Those excessive taxes on the wealthy! That is the problem!

The corporations were paying zero taxes, but that was too much so they had to move overseas and our jobs left our shores.

Love the Obama will "back our rich Arab and foreign adversaries," too. Good grief.

Hope this guy spreads this message everywhere, I really do. Sad, very sad.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:33 PM
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19. How can them Assholes Sleep at night...knowing they fucked the Nation?
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:00 PM
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23. The lesson, America, is if you want to stay economically competitive...
... you don't fuck over your knowledge workers.

You don't leave them lying idle, working either not at all, or at brainless jobs that do NOT value innovation and creativity. You don't condescend to them by smarming about life lessons and "paying your dues" when you subscribe to a thoroughly perverted and corrupted idea of learning and paying dues.

Frankly, I'm surprised that America has been doing as well as it has been doing. It was the beginning of the end when our bosses quit valuing professionalism. The Bush administration was NOT the first. It was copying the lead our corporations started a few years prior to.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:07 PM
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24. Thanks for the info.
Knew the official unemployment numbers are useless. Didn't know that BLS produced something like U6.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:35 PM
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27. I second the Thank You for the info, KamaAina. U6 makes sense to me. But Shadow
Stats seem to be the real indicator.

Last night on "Fresh Air" Paul Krugman said he thought unemployment would hit 8% before this "recession" ends. And, in response to Terri Gross' question about whether we were about to come out of this recession, his answer was something to the effect of "It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better."


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