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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:18 PM
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Fess up. Which of you liberals is trying to steal Christmas from the AFA again this year?
Make that the American Family Association. The AFA starts this stealing Christmas theme every year, saying we are making people fearful of saying "Merry Christmas". They are for some reason starting very very early this year.

Even before Halloween.

From the Americans United for Separation of Church and State website.

Holiday Humbug...say Merry Christmas to Don Wildmon.

As I stood there arms deep in pumpkin goo, it was hard to think of anything but candy corn, trick or treaters and “It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown.” I know Christmas is coming in two months – but c’mon. Can’t we take the holidays one at a time?

Not according to the Rev. Donald Wildmon. In what is becoming a yearly tradition, the dour founder of the American Family Association has once again, two weeks before Halloween, started complaining about the failure of people to use the phrase “Merry Christmas.”

“It’s OK To Say Merry Christmas,” blare new buttons and stickers being hawked on the AFA Web site. A pack of 10 buttons goes for a “suggested donation” of nine dollars, but the “semi-permanent adhesive, glossy finish stickers” run high at 10 for $24 (with free shipping!)

“It’s hard to believe that there are companies and individuals who want to ban ‘Merry Christmas’ and replace it with ‘Holiday Greetings’ because, they say, they don’t want to offend anyone,” Wildmon grumps in a press release.

Yes, that is hard to believe – because no one wants to do that. I’ve been through this with Wildmon and his buddies before.


And here's the AFA website with Don Wildmon's suggestion about how to keep us taking Merry Christmas away from them.

“It’s OK to say Merry Christmas”



And you know what? It's not just Christmas they think we liberals are harming. They think we are redefining the holiday of Easter. They started a whole campaign against Howard Dean and the DNC when the DNC sent out greetings for Easter a couple of years ago. It was not religious enough in nature for the group, and they attacked Dean for days for trying to secularize Easter.

Christian conservatives say Dean redefining Easter by leaving out word "Jesus"

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean released the following statement commemorating the Easter holiday this Sunday:

“Easter Sunday is a joyful celebration. The holiday represents peace, redemption and renewal, a theme which brings hope to people of all faiths. During this time Christians are called to remember who they are as people of faith, and that even the greatest of evils will not have the last word. It is also a time to reflect upon and be in solidarity with those who are persecuted and suffering among us. We should also use this time to honor those who continue to make incredible sacrifices for us, including our brave men and women in the armed forces serving overseas during this holiday. I would like to wish all those celebrating around the world this Sunday, a joyous Easter.”


They had hissyfits over that statement. It was almost unbelievable.

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean is taking flak from some evangelical Christians for issuing an Easter statement that did not mention Jesus Christ or His resurrection. Dean is being criticized for a DNC press release that described Easter Sunday as a "holiday represents peace, redemption and renewal, a theme which brings hope to people of all faiths."

American Family Association chairman Don Wildmon has called on Dean and the DNC to apologize to Christians for "taking Easter and making it into a nondescript, universal, nonexclusive religious celebration for all religions." But Pastor Rob Schenck of the National Clergy Council says Dean's definition of Easter is not shocking because the Democratic leader has long been the "quintessential secularist."

Schenck says he is surprised, however, that someone within the DNC did not realize the statement was "no way to try to connect with evangelicals." Dean's statement "does betray that, at its heart, the Democratic leadership is in fact secularist by philosophy and worldview," the pastor notes.


Americans United's Rob Boston finishes his rant on Wildmon with some advice.

Don’t look to corporations and stores to save your holiday, Don. Don’t expect that a directive from a home office somewhere ordering the men and women who staff the checkouts to say “Merry Christmas” will lead to a religious revival. It’s just silly.

Want a religious experience in December? I know where you can find one: in a church.

Finally, I’d just like to be the first to wish Don Wildmon and the entire staff of the AFA a very Merry Christmas.

I hope they’re happy now because I’ve got to go pick up some Halloween candy.


I remember how well this worked in 2003. I belonged to a couple of mailing lists fairly locally then...a high school alumni list and a list of teachers who had retired and kept in touch. Because of the chain mails about Iraq, tension was raised on both lists in this conservative area. But the stealing Christmas was the final straw.

One teacher I respected and taught with for years started griping about how the liberals were stealing Christmas. I gave up trying to reason and took myself off both lists not long after that.

It worked quite well at dividing us in 2003. It is so stupid, it just might work again.





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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:20 PM
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1. Oooh! It's almost time for the War Against Christmas again! My favorite time of year!
:rofl:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:21 PM
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2. They don't even see what they are doing as laughable.
Yes, I admit. I sort of enjoy it, too. It just gets so stupid.

:evilgrin:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:57 AM
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98. I never said Happy Holidays
until they started this BS war on christmas crap. Now I never say merry christmas just to piss them off.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:29 PM
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9. It just comes earlier and earlier each year.
I barely have time to prepare any more.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:20 PM
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19. Consider that nearly 3 months are "Christmas Season".
That is almost 25% of our lives being subjected to Christmas cheer. How much can a person take?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:59 AM
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27. Agreed...season is way too long.
Nerve-wracking.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:33 PM
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11. Just find all the holiday cards, cross out Christ with a big X....
That's a tradition for us. :evilgrin:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:12 PM
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28. I think this year, I'm going to undermine the war on drugs instead!
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:46 PM
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62. I'm leaving for Boot Camp tomorrow!
Put up a red and green ribbon for me!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:24 PM
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81. How about a big hug along with those ribbons -
My very best to you, with much respect. Which branch?

:hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug: :hug: :grouphug:
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:40 PM
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86. The Liberal Army that's fighting the War on Christmas silly!
In the real world, I'm a Navy vet.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:56 PM
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90. We America haters should make greeting cards for the War On Christmas

Damn... Wildmon is onto us.

We should skip this year, and start really really hard on a pre-emptive attack against next year's Christmas.

I'll say though, we did a great job with Ramadan this year. Not a single person in a single Wal-Mart anywhere said "Happy Ramadan" to anyone.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:49 PM
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95. It's coming early this year because
after November 4th it will be too late. Must remind everyone that a vote for a Democrat is a vote against Christmas. This is all so believable to some of these fundies, but I don't think as many of them will be buying it this year.

Perhaps they should have had an anti-Halloween push with the pro-Christmas pull, and thrown in a patriotic Thanksgiving day jab. That way they could have got us coming and going. :rofl:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:23 PM
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3. This is getting boring. I'm attacking easter this year. I'm going to give everyone pagan peeps. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:29 PM
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10. Yum, PEEPS. Oh, did you know that there is a "Jaws" movie starring Peeps?
I know, I know, totally OT. But you gotta see it.

"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezScWcym1AY



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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:48 PM
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88. Peeps on their day off.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:49 PM
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23. Whee! Pagan peeps!
Are they shaped like Goddess and God figures? :rofl:

Blessed be!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:14 PM
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29. I'm working on taking "Puxatawney Phil" out of Groundhogs Day this year!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:25 PM
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4. uh, that would be me
I just hate Christmas. I'm sure I'm some distant relative of Ebeneezer Scrooge.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:26 PM
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5. I confess, it's ME!
I am the evil, liberal feminist America-hating Democrat, and all your Christmases are belong to MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!



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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:04 AM
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99. I knew it...
got to keep an eye on you left coast liberals :)
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:27 PM
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6. It's Jacks fault

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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:27 PM
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7. Me... I have for some time... BTW - HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:05 AM
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100. And
Happy winter solstice to you.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:28 PM
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8. You're a mean one...Mr Grinch.
You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch. You really are a heel. You're as cuddly as a cactus, You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Grinch. You're a bad banana With a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Mr. Grinch. Your heart's an empty hole. Your brain is full of spiders, You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Grinch. I wouldn't touch you, with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

You're a vile one, Mr. Grinch. You have termites in your smile. You have all the tender sweetness Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Grinch. Given the choice between the two of you I'd take the seasick crocodile.

You're a foul one, Mr. Grinch. You're a nasty, wasty skunk. Your heart is full of unwashed socks Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Grinch. The three words that best describe you, are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

You're a rotter, Mr. Grinch. You're the king of sinful sots. Your heart's a dead tomato splot With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Grinch. Your soul is an appalling dump heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable, Mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch. With a nauseous super-naus. You're a crooked jerky jockey And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Grinch. You're a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich With arsenic sauce!


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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:36 PM
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12. GOPers just reminding their flock of sheep that it is them against us
Just in time to make any poor little GOPer pause before thinking about not voting GOP
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:46 PM
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13. Fuck them. They forgot Jesus' birthday again. It was October 14th,
The REAL War On Christmas- Jesus' REAL Birthday was last week, and nobody celebrated it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=185358&mesg_id=185358

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:48 PM
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14. It's the most wonderful time of the year...
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:50 PM
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15. Ugh, did you have to mention Christmas?
I can't tell you how much I hate that vile holiday.

I couldn't tell you what is more sickening, the site of all the drone shopping done by capitalist drone citizens, or the bullshit "I'm such a religious type cuz I go to church twice a year for midnight mass and passover" bastards. It's people like them that make me glad I chose Deism. I don't blame my collective reasoning on God, I blame it on my own thoughts.

I am NOT anti-religion mind you, in fact, if I didn't feel the way I do about the "DOGMA" of Christianity, over the theological significance of it, I'd probably be known as a Catholic because of my teachings.

But anyways, getting back on topic, even though my personal beliefs about the entire "CHRISTMAS" thing makes me feel that all the symbolism is more PAGAN then Christian, and as such, Christmas has been deemed a CORPORATE holiday by me. I REALLY don't give a shit if you DO want to say MERRY CHRISTMAS or not.

NO I am by no means a bitter person, I am just a realist. I celebrate Christmas in the real world, I do not teach my kids to believe in Santa, and I do not teach them that Christmas is about Jesus either. I just teach them that Christmas is a time when everyone tries to be good to each other, and sometimes we even give each other presents to be nice to each other.

This explanation also doubles as my reasoning for the "KEEP IT UNDER $5 WHEN CHOOSING THE MOTHER IN LAW'S GIFT" questions.

I dislike that woman for being the racist, prejudice thinking person she is.

Yet, even I have no problems spewing out a half ass MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TO.

I guess all I have to say to the "LIBRULS" who like to complain about holiday catch phrases being offensive.

STAY HOME THEN, GOD DAMN CRY BABIES !!

Why do we have to have people on this Earth who are offended by the most stupid BS? If it ain't the "LIBRULS" it's the Conservatives being "OFFENDED" by some shit or other..

JESUS H. CHRIST, IT'S THE FUKKIN HOLIDAY SEASON, JUST SHUT UP AND QUIT COMPLAINING FOR ONCE ASSHOLE, MAYBE MY CHRISTMAS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A HAIR MERRIER AFTER ALL IF YOU DID.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:51 PM
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16. I confess, I'm part of the conspiracy.
But I'm not the ringleader. It was that "Tyson Homosexual" guy from the Olympics. He wanted revenge on the Wildmons, so he came up with this elaborate antichristmas conspiracy. It helps when he can run faster than Santa's reindeer can fly.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:07 PM
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17. Ah, Memories
I remember that silliness.

So, I guess if the AFA site prints out Xmas Carols, we'll be donning our homosexual apparal, fa-la-la, fa-la-la, fa-la-la.

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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:15 PM
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18. Somebody needs to whip out that funny South Park skit that has Jesus Christ and Santa Claus
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 11:15 PM by SurferBoy
fighting each other for ownership of Christmas while the South Park kids watch.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:42 PM
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22. Ask and ye shall receive
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:52 PM
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35. I have to admit that I prefer the Xmas episode...
... where Santa and Jesus are doing a nightclub act together, and after Santa runs out of Santa songs to sing, and Jesus keeps singing Baby Jesus songs, Santa gets frustrated and walks off the stage saying...

"Fuck You, Jesus!"

Wonder what Don Wildmon thinks of that?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:22 PM
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94. "Christmas is about ham."
:rofl:
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:26 PM
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20. I'll confess
I'm going to buy up a bunch of half-price creme pumpkins and candy corn after Halloween and save it to use at Christmas. I'll force all my Christian friends to decorate their trees with leftover Smarties and marshmallow jack o'lanterns instead of candy canes.

And then I'm going door to door caroling, singing only "Here comes Peter Cottontail, hopping down the bunny trail...."

Did you ever think you'd see the day when people would say to each other, "Gee, the War on Christmas sure seems to start earlier every year! Pretty soon they'll be trotting it out around Labor Day."
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:29 PM
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21. It's too early to steal Christmas...we aren't done with stealing Halloween candy
tell 'em to chill.

:rofl:
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:52 PM
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24. Me! Me! I'm stealing Christmas!
All your Jesus belong to me! :rofl: :evilgrin:
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:53 AM
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25. I admit it I am trying to steal Christmas
I hate fucking Christmas. It is such a pain in the ass and expensive also. If we would quit trying to show off to everybody about how much stuff we can buy and start paying attention to what the hell is going on in this country...we wouldn't be in half the mess we are in now. All fundies..Christmas pushers and Christofascists can go fuck themselves!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:54 AM
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26. I am not a Christmas person anymore.
I enjoyed it when the kids were little, but now hubby and I would just as soon ignore it.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:20 PM
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31. My wife loves to decorate for ALL the holidays.
I'll drag all this crap out of the shed for her to decorate, and she'll have it all packed up again in April.

I think the Halloween stuff gets put away sometime around St. Patrick's Day.

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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:40 PM
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45. The first time I heard about the War on Christmas
was the last straw. Okay, keep the damned holiday for your righteous selves. If I have to buy gifts, I'll do it online and avoid pressuring anyone or being pressured into Christmas cheer.

Oh, yeah, I am a Christian, but I never looked to minimum wage store clerks to define my spiritual experience.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:15 PM
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30. I am always amazed at how xtians in the US have sucha persecution complex
and how easily they allow everyone else to define their religion and beliefs to them--as if some word or lack thereof means that their religion/faith is invalid. If their faith/religion is that weak, it needs not be defended at all.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:28 PM
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32. For the last 8 or 10 yrs you begin to hear this bullshit............
.......about this time of year when they start putting out all the Xmas (oh god, I meant CHRIST-mas) decorations and all the xmas toys. AND, guess what? Every year Xmas comes back with all the bells & whistles and the Salvation Army guy/girl standing in front of Wal-Mart with his bell and bucket. I was born Catholic, am now and have been for 40 yrs an agnostic and I personally don't give a fuck if someone says Merry Christmas to me. I have always loved Xmas time from the time I was a little kid. It has something to do with the eternal optimism that all Americans share I guess. This is weird and naive but, I always thought that during the Xmas season, just for 2 or 3 days, that ALL people would just be friendly when they are driving, in stores shopping and in all their endeavors during the season, kinda Christ like, no? But alas, at 62 yrs of age I have finally given up even this small idea where ALL people could come together for one or two days in peace and harmony. Fuck it, I'm just a naive Liberal and will never learn I suppose.
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mlevans Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:34 PM
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33. Perhaps the pagans among us should fire back
and accuse the Christians of having highjacked their holidays in order to win converts? And Dean's Easter message was too secular? I guess he should have said "May the Easter Jesus bring you lots and lots of candy and colored eggs!" Oh Lord,I pray, deliver us from lunacy!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:45 PM
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74. See the thing is, most of us Pagans just don't give a shit about the Christians
stealing our holidays and stuff. As long as they don't try to kill us, they can have their Christmas. We really don't care.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:42 PM
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34. It's me. I admit it.
I can't afford Christmas so I took it off the table. :rofl:

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enuegii Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 01:56 PM
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36. FRAUDS! YOUR CHRISTMAS ARE ALL BELONG TO ME!
jolly fat man too. I be glorious king now!


Heed warning! You do not! Rudolph go walkabout Wasilla!

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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 02:12 PM
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37. I for one *love* Christmas.
The cheerfully lit tree, the candles, the holly, the presents, the cookies... Christmas is my favorite Pagan holiday.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:58 PM
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64. Me too.
I do one helluva Christmas tree! And I love seeing all the houses decoraated in lights. I love the special foods and music. And it's a chance to see old friends and family that you don't get a chance to see as often as you like.

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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 02:14 PM
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38. They want Christmas
yet refuse the teachings of Christ. in fact, they act the very opposite, and this is the definition of anti Christ..
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 02:17 PM
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39. I believe they're talking about me.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 02:49 PM
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40. Truth be told . . . it's "Happy Winter Solstice" . . . !!!!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 02:55 PM
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41. Didn't they hear? Christmas cancelled. No $$$
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:13 PM
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42. War on Christmas? I like Sam Seder's take on it...
he said, "We have good intelligence that Christmas has weapons of mass destruction."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:19 PM
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43. Ha Ha
Love Sam. Wish he was back on in his old afternoon slot. Miss him.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:37 PM
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44. Wellll, I must admit I got one hell of deal on some Soviet surplus
self-propelled anti-aircraft missile launcher, ex East Germany issue.




Let's just say that I'm ready for any unidentified flying objects that may be in the vicinity on, oh, say December 24 of this year.


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:51 PM
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46. Shhhh--Nobody tell those clowns that the word "Easter" comes from
the goddess Astarte.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:52 PM
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47. It's me! All your presents are mine!
I really want an X box, too.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:57 PM
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48. I highly recommend joining the AFA's mailing list
It's great! Not only do you get advance word on whatever zaniness they will come up with next, but you also get links to girls kissing on tv, and men in speedos at gay pride parades.. for the purpose of "informing our members", of course! :evilgrin:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:58 PM
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49. The Economy will be stealing Christmas this year.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:02 PM
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50. Perhaps the best thing about having Chistmas down under
is not having to hear anything from the fundie nutters.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:03 PM
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51. When are they going to stop with this?!?
I'm not a religious person at all. But I love Christmas. I celebrate it more as an American tradition. I like the pretty tree, the Christmas stories and TV specials (especially the old "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" cartoon), gift giving (I love wrapping gifts too), and spending time with family. The idea that non-religious/liberal people are trying to destroy Christmas is crazy.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:48 PM
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75. Of course it's crazy
I feel a little guilty teasing the crazy fundies but damn, they just make it so easy.
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dudewheresmycountry Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:37 PM
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52. Maybe it's the Pagans
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 04:38 PM by dudewheresmycountry
since, it was there holiday all along until the christians stole it from them!
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theMark Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:37 PM
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53. The Timing?
Why have a War on Christmas AFTER Thanksgiving, when you can have it two weeks before election day, and REALLY get your base riled up?

Merry Christmas! No, I really mean it! Please, celebrate that which is most holy to you.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:29 AM
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101. Welcome to DU
"Please, celebrate that which is most holy to you."
I would, but I am at work and I should really keep it in my pants :)
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:47 PM
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54. Umm, Don? I hate to break it to ya...
But the only person who can steal Christmas from you is you.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:49 PM
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55. Jebus, the Christians are stealing Halloween!
We liberal pagans deserve some goddammed respect for OUR Holiday!

:grr:

:sarcasm:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:56 PM
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56. Me. I am. Fuck the malls.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:59 PM
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57. I once started an alternate Grinch story...
Every Who Down in Whoville Liked Christmas a lot...
But the Grinch,
Who lived just north of Whoville,
Did NOT!

The Grinch hated Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. You damn well know the reason.

It wasn't that his head wasn't screwed on quite right.
Or that his shoes were, perhaps, a bit tight.

And the least likely reason of all
Was that his heart may have been too small.

No! He was working retail!


And then I'd go into how customers shit on retail clerks over the Christmas season...and then I start feeling like one of the underpants gnomes, the little guys who know where to start and where they want to end up but have no idea how to get there...

Well, they pulled the Grinch out of his nice Who-ville store
And sent him to one in Ulan-Baator.
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GirlieQ Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:25 PM
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58. Help, Help! We're being oppressed!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:29 PM
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59. Corporate greed and advertising income for TV ...yes go buy shit you don't need.
Just once, I wish everyone would not shop for xmas. Take a break. Make it easy for yourself for a change. Give your plastic a vacation this xmas.

Just stop shopping.

http://www.revbilly.com/
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:39 PM
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60. Festivus... for the rest of us.
Whatever happened to the traditional Festivus?

I've got my pole and everything.

The holiday includes novel practices such as the "Airing of Grievances", in which each person tells everyone else all the ways they have disappointed him or her over the past year. Also, after the Festivus meal, the "Feats of Strength" are performed, involving wrestling the head of the household to the floor, the holiday only ending if the head of the household is actually pinned. These conventions originated with the TV episode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:40 PM
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61. Winner! Thread over! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:01 PM
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65. Not yet! ...Festivus picture from a courthouse beside manger scene.
The manger scene was put up by Southern Baptists sneaking onto the property during the night, since it was not supposed to be there.

Some other folks snuck in and stuck up a Festivus sign.

From 2004: Festivus for the rest of us



"SNIP.."Like an episode out of "Seinfeld," fans of the defunct comedy series erected the second covert holiday display within a week at the Polk County administration building.

After a group of grandparents from First Baptist Church of Bartow put up an unsanctioned Nativity scene on public property, the Seinfeld fans placed a sign promoting a made-up holiday.

"Festivus for the Rest of Us" is the greeting on the sign placed next to the manger scene on the lawn of the Neil Combee County Administration Building."
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:03 PM
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66. LOL! Okay! Starting NOW the thread is over! n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:25 PM
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71. It's another Festivus MIRACLE!!!!
:rofl:
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:47 PM
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63. I'll stop fucking with their Christmas when...
...their corporate overlords to stop ignoring Thanksgiving.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:03 PM
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67. Good point. n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:29 PM
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72. I'll stop fucking with Christmas when they stop passing laws out of hatred (Prop 8).
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:15 PM
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68. Guilty as charged.
For years, I've been saying, "Have a really great holiday" or something to that effect. I do so partially so as not to offend those who are not Christians. But more important, I don't have to remember which holiday it is, or who celebrates what. I say the same thing before Thanksgiving, or Memorial Day, or any of the others.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:18 PM
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69. Liberals didn't secularize Xmas & Easter; marketers did
I have no objection to Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, but they've said "Happy Holidays" for years because of Haunakkah, and more recently Kwanza. There are also additional Holidays built into Christmas, such as Three Kings Day, which celebrates the end of Christmas. Plus, there is New Years Day.

Fundies are simply hacked off that "liberals" (which they broadly define as pretty much all of the secular unchurched) won't put Christmas on the pedestal on which they think it belongs, and (by extension) concede their argument that the US is a "Christian Nation" in spite of what the 1st Amendment may say to the contrary.

I'll readily agree that Easter doesn't have much to do with eggs or bunnies any more than Christmas has anything to do with presents, Reindeer, or the evolved form that St. Nicolas has taken as today's "Santa." It's easy to blame so-called liberals and the ACLU (which, as I've said here before, really needs to find better things to do than objecting to nativity scenes), but the true culprits are retailers, who've turned these seasons into consumption fests, and by extension, the media which buttersses this tradition with 3 months of endless advevertising, and culminates with days of parades, NBA Basketball, NFL Football, and College Bowl Games (not that I'm complaining about that, mind you).
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:23 PM
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70. I'd like to take this opportunity to give the AFA a "Feliz Navidad".
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:40 PM
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73. Whoot! We get to do the War on Christmas thingy again!
I've never been to keen on Santa Day but having the fundies get their panties in a wad around Christmas greetings makes it all fun again! I love saying "Happy Holidays" and then grinning like a cheshire kitty!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:51 PM
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76. Wow, Madfloridan if this is what you are spending time on then
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 08:52 PM by Generator
I guess Obama IS gonna be the next president!:party: (YES I need to start drinking now to get the last four years out of my mind)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:53 PM
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77. Don't look at me.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:44 AM
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106. Alistair Sim!
That movie is the only thing I like about Christmas. Sometimes, I pull it out at other times of the year and watch it.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:56 PM
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78. I love it. Once again Conservatives are determined to......
beat something into the ground until it backfires on them.

I'm guessing the whole "War on Christmas" mantra is about to become as popular as championing Terri Schaivo.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:06 PM
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79. I'm a Christian who celebrates the holidays in s secular way....
of getting together with all my friends in a season of good will. Privately, I celebrate with my family in recognition of our christian traditions. However, for the past 15-20 years, I've always sent out "Holiday or Seasons Greetings" cards because I know many of my friends are agnostic/atheist, or are non-christian. Oddly enough, I have several atheist friends who host parties during the season.

I just really look at it as time of year where we can celebrate the best humanity has to offer...good will towards all men and women. To me, it's really a celebration that the human race, for whatever reasons, has managed to survive up until now, and with the hope that we'll go on for many generations in the future.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:19 PM
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80. Aw dammit.
I work retail. I really hate people who freak out when I say "Happy Holidays". There's 3-4 every year, and their always a pain.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:34 PM
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83. I would find that far too tempting.
I'd have to explain that I'm pagan/muslim/Jewish/atheist/Hindu (depending on my mood) just to rile them up.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:26 PM
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82. Mr. Garrison is doing his part to protect Christmas!!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:37 PM
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84. Fuck Christmas: the capitalists' dream of
mindless consumerism.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:37 PM
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85. Time again, for the obligatory post.......
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:45 PM
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87. They must truly have NOTHING else to do.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:54 PM
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89. Count me out.
It's just too hard to tie the antlers to the dogs' heads.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:03 PM
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91. One word for this: provincial
I was at a meeting, and during downtime was reading Huffington Post. A client saw the screen and said "you'll appreciate this!" and sent me a "clever" email about stealing Christmas, and how you should say Merry Christmas to everyone

He wasn't my direct client (more like someone sitting in on the process), so I didn't' care if I pissed him off.

I said "That's very nice in a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere where everyone is the same religion. But if you grew up near a big city like I did, 'Merry Christmas' just doesn't go over with the Jewish neighbors."

This jackass should have know better - he was part of a sophisticated multi-cultural marketing team with non-Christians and non-Americans. But he never outgrew East Bumfuck, Oklahoma, I guess

This is just so fucking provincial.

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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:08 PM
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92. madfloridian
madfloridian

I find this "war on Christmas" as this Right wingers claim it to be just stupid.. I am an cristian, but I am not "afraid" that the "horrible liberals" would kill the meaning of cristmas... For the eons before Cristi, it was an celebrating of life, In old time it was an celebration over many days, because the sun was starting to came back, and it was claimed as the celebrating of Christ when the cristian Church, and the roman emperors was coming together more than it have been before.. In 330 when Constantin the Great was been emperor for some time, and had started to sympathize with the Church, the whole thing started to melt together somehow..

I am not sure about how others celebrate Christmas, but where I am living we celebrate the holidays with good food and good company. Usually it is a time where family and friends came together, to be together, and maybe get to know what have happened the last year or so.. Good food is usually there, and we have just an good time togheter... I like the season, not just because the celebrating of a person I am looking up to, but also because I then can be together with my family, and friends who I very seldom are with.. And it is just a bonus with all the great foods too:evilgrin: But I have little problem at Christmas.. I ALWAYS eat to much.. And are sitting there for hours at end after dinner, and just "sinking" the food.. The Aye is often more hungry then the stomage... But I like the season then...

I for one can not understand why people want to make so a fuzz about the Christmas thing. That "liberals" are somewhat killing the meaning of Christmas.. If they was so sure about their own position in life, it would be no meaning to be that angry about the whole thing.. Why is they just not trying to celebrating Christmas the way THEY are feeling for it, and let the rest of the world celebrate Christmas the way THEM are feeling it to be.. It is just stupid to be that angry about how other celebrate the season - or not celebrating the season at all.. Many do that to..

For me Christmas is good food, being with good friends.. And little thinking about a little boy who was born into the world for little over 2000 year ago.. And how the world still are as it was when the little boy was coming into the world.. yes it have been changed over 2000 year, but we face much of the same problems.. And we still are at hard work, to solve the same problems as they had, for more than 2000 year ago...

As i se it, Christmas is peace.. peace to live together with your friends, your family, and maybe even working little harder to be nice to your next. Not just your near and dear. But also for the folks out there who have nothing at all. No food, no shelter, and who are living of others dirt.. We should not just thinking about them in December, but every day every week, every year..

And for the gift thing.. It Suck.. Big time.. For the kids off course, but grown up can save up to their own gifts I would say.. Better to save the money and probely make some food or better thing than to spend every last dime of thing your family and friends probable do not like any way.. Better to eat and to celebrate with good food, and something good to drink;).

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:20 PM
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93. I tried to ban Christmas a few years ago
but was thwarted in my efforts by Bill O'Reilly, the legendary culture warrior. I don't know what happened but his take no guff, in your face, no-spin-zone style of combat easily overpowered my secular humanistic, atheist views, and I am scared to go back.

Christmas won the day there, as did real, God-fearing Americans. Bill O'Reilly went home and celebrated his victory with a nice dish of falafel, after which he spent the rest of the evening making phone calls.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 11:28 PM
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96. Damn -- and I don't even have my War Against Christmas decorations up yet
That's what I get for putting it off.

These people just really need to get laid or something. God, they are insufferable.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:46 AM
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97. Shit, I almost forgot about the war on Christmas.
Seriously, could somebody please put me on the mailing list so these things don't creep up on me? This liberal conspiracy is so damned disorganized.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:06 AM
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102. I wish he'd wait until after Halloween to start the War on Christmas stuff
I mean, I'm still getting ready to dance naked with a dozen high Druid priestesses in a cemetary near a pumpkin patch in an attempt to raise the ghost of margaret thatcher.
Then we'll sacrifice a dozen virgins -- this is what those abstinence only classes get you -- drink their blood and sing Alice Cooper songs until dawn.

Once that's finished then I'm ready for the War on Christmas.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:29 AM
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103. Its me and my incessant use of "Happy Holidays", damn my Jewish friends. eom
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:34 AM
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104. Who cares what Christians think?
Next, this confused group of lost souls will be attacking the Easter Bunny as an agent of satan.

Do not argue with the insane. It is their inspiration.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:42 AM
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105. Too late suckers..
Christmas is all in boxex in my garage
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:49 AM
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107. To be different
I was going to wage a war on Hannukah this year, but I'm too lazy to figure out how to spell it.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 11:00 AM
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108. Not stealing it--cancelling it


You, 8:15.

You, 8:45--and bring a friend.

AND CANCEL CHRISTMAS!
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