PLAME #13 (OOGA BOOGA SMOOGA WOOGA!) OFFICIAL THREAD

[helderheid]

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[AlCzervik]

1. who the hell does she think she is--she has question?? Oh Really?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. What a MORAN!!!!111!

[jackstraw45]

8. And no Washington Post reporters in sight...

LOVE how the stooge media cleared out of the hearing room when Toensing is up.

CLASSIC.

[Eurobabe]

2. Toensing she is a real HACK

:puke:

[Eurobabe]

16. Toensing bringing up Valerie's $1000 contribution to Al Gore

listing Brewster Jennings as her employer.

What a condescending bitch.

[BuyingThyme]

Of course, why use your cover when you can just

divulge your covert status?

Crazy people.

[peacetalksforall]

61. I hope others on the panel bring out the fact that her W-2 came from

Brewster-Jennings.

Toensing is the slimiest of lawyers.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. Vick's condescending tone is gonna make me urp

:puke:

[tridim]

15. She's going to perjure herself in a few minutes.. Stay tuned.

They just showed the committee laughing at her. :)

[Beelzebud]

4. When the questions begine, this will get VERY interesting.

[berner59]

17. OMG...they just showed Waxman....

Looks like he's ready to pounce on her!!! He was smirking too...go get her Henry!!!

[keithjx]

5. Again, she (like Davis) is focusing on the...

CRIMINAL aspect. Waxman has said over and over that the focus of this hearing is administrative and policy oriented. You DON'T have to have a criminal conviction to yank someone's security clearance (or ask them to resign).

WONK WONK WONK. What a witch....
KJ

[NewJeffCT]

Is there a list of Dems who are on this committee?

Thanks...

[Lerkfish]

6. could someone please drive a stake in her heart or throw garlic at her to shut her up?

[Beelzebud]

11. Let her talk. She's giving them the rope they need to hang her with.

[ClayZ]

I can hardly wait to see her squirm!

[Glimmer of Hope]

28. I have a feeling Watson will put her in her place.

I am not getting any work done today!

[wryter2000]

Watson?

Is she the lady from LA? I've forgotten the name of African American gentlemen.

"I am stunned, Miss Toensing, that you would come here with the conclusion...do you know those facts from your own, personal knowledge?" Waxman

"Head of the CIA told me, personally, that if I said she was a covert agent, I would be correct. I'm not yeilding my time to you."

[AlCzervik]

9. wow she is unreal, i cannot wait to the evisceration of her begin.

[Cameron27]

10. Hodes, I can't wait for Hodes to

rip this POS apart.

k&r

[Greeby]

12. What does contributing to President Gore's campaign have to do with it

You blowhole :puke:

[NewJeffCT]

37. she's playing to the Fox/Dittohead audience

They'll repeat that bit on Rush's show, and then tonight on Fox...

[Hepburn]

13. IMO....

...a lot of her arrogance is gonna get knocked out of her today. No wonder she was called last to testify.

VT: Valerie contributed to Al Gore's campaign.

OK...so what? That means it was OK to out her?

[tridim]

26. Apparently Dems can't be covert CIA agents.

It's just amazing what's coming out today. So much meat.

[fooj]

83. Like Waxman said...

Her political affiliation has no bearing on her service to her country.

These people are DESPERATE.

[wryter2000]

46. Effing amazing

Who does she think she's playing with here?

For the cube rats, her whole argument boils down to...If VPW was covert, why did X happen? Why did Y happen? Why did Z happen?

Lissen asshole, VPW knows whether or not that she was covert, and she just testified under oath that she was. Case closed.

[devilgrrl]

14. Oh. My. God. What. An. Asshole.

It's astounding!

[bobthedrummer]

18. Just wait for the questioning folks...

[trof]

19. Her tone, demeanor, and delivery SCREAM "PARTISAN SHILL".

[Lerkfish]

34. no, "PARTISAN SHRILL"

[wryter2000]

54. Not only that

but shill under the influence of something. Dredging up Goldwater, for pity's sake. "Sen. Goldwater would say to me...Sen. Goldwater this...Sen. Goldwater that."

[Lerkfish]

20. she's blueskying the thought processes of other people...whoa, she's a loose cannon

she's gonna make someone nervous

[CottonBear]

Rep. Waxman looks really pissed off and generally appalled by her testimony. n/t

[Laurab]

21. "CIA CIA CIA CIA"

ok, we can all go home, it was the CIA's fault and I'm wondering how many times she can fit "CIA" into her little speech.....

[Beelzebud]

22. Does she think she's on Fox News? LOL

[ronnykmarshall]

35. No kidding.

[Blackhatjack]

23. When she first lies under oath -- SAY BINGO!!! (may be a short game) n/t Repost from prior thread

[AlCzervik]

24. How is this an opening statement? It isn't is it? It's propaganda.

[Kolesar]

Toensing is trying inductive logic,not deductive logic.

Of course her inductive logic is just insinuations. Talking points for gops to recite at their country club dinner parties this weekend

[izzybeans]

25. In retrospect having this twit on the same panel with Plame would have been

a good move.

I would have loved to heard that moment of history.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

27. It's Vicious Vicky!

Somebody hold me, I'm Scared!!:scared:

[SusanaMontana41]

144. lol!

:hide:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

29. Your time is UP wench! Get off your soapbax

[Catherine Vincent]

30. What is this woman babbling about?

Have the members asked her questions yet?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Repeateing a story line

we have heard before...

But she is not saying she was not cover, I think

[AlCzervik]

32. oh Christ get the hook.

[AValdoux]

33. She brought up Brewster Jennings

Her question was why was Plame allowed to claim in public her employer was Brewster Jennings.

Uhhhh, no one knew Brewster Jennings was a covert employer until Novack printed it in his second column about Plame. She is claiming the CIA didn't protect Plame.


AValdoux

[stellanoir]

36. And who better to give you your #5 rec than this 13th generational 'merican. . .

"Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" = OBSW = "Oh Bull Shit W"

I'll go fetch the link to the election day thread just to savor even better the long awaited restoration of honesty and accountability that's hovering.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2589421


:woohoo:

Are we having fun yet dear?

Maybe time to post the purple heart country pict. :)

[rhiannon55]

38. What a arrogant, patronizing woman

Reminds me of my ex's girlfriend. Eewwww!

[Sydnie]

39. Simple answer to her "why didn't they questions"

because it suited their purpose to "out" her.

[IChing]

40. Media matters on her...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501140005

In a January 12 Washington Post op-ed, titled "The Plame Game: Was This a Crime?" Republican attorney Victoria Toensing and co-author Bruce W. Sanford defended nationally syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak and the anonymous government sources he used in a July 2003 column in which he exposed the identity of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. Multiple news outlets have noted that Toensing is apparently a personal friend of Novak -- a fact that neither she nor the Post saw fit to disclose.

Press sightings of social interactions between Toensing, her husband, Joseph E. diGenova, and Novak abound:

An October 1, 2004, article on Salon.com reported that Novak was a guest along with Toensing and diGenova at a September 21, 2004, party in Washington to celebrate the success of the book Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry (Regnery, 2004).
According to an October 17, 2001, "Reliable Source" column in The Washington Post, Novak was among "70 friends" hosted by diGenova to celebrate Toensing's 60th birthday at the Palm restaurant.

A February 27, 1998, profile of Toensing and diGenova in The Washington Post reported that "he couple retreat on weekends to their Fenwick Island, Del., beach house, hanging with such pals as Robert Novak and Bill Regardie."

[LSK]

41. Rep Davis: How many leaks come from the VP Chief of Staff?

[Hepburn]

42. Smart move with Waxman ~~

Let's Davis lead off. Which means, of course, he is gonna be hard put to do damage control.

[blitzen]

43. Bring back Goldwater!!! Bring back Goldwater!!!

[Mist]

Oh, gods, I hope they chew her up and spit her out. She's so disingenuous she's psychotic. nt

[BattyDem]

44. Oh lady ... you're dissing the CIA?

That's not smart! :scared:


"Why did Valerie Plame list 'Brewster Jennings' as her employer if she was covert?"

Um ... she listed Brewster Jennings BECAUSE they were her cover, you idiot! And up until Novak printed the story, NO ONE KNEW that BJ was a front for CIA operations! :eyes: :grr:

[LSK]

so is Davis

[glitch]

They are either incredibly stupid or they are hoping we are. Either way they lose.

What ya call yer lose-lose republicans.

[October]

68. This is just ridiculous

Davis now blaming the CIA!

They keep directing attention to the CIA.

I can't stand watching Toensing OVERACT. She's overdoing the whole thing.

[youthere]

81. "Why did Valerie Plame list 'Brewster Jennings' as her employer if she was covert?"

uh....duh?

Is this woman drunk?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. She's drunk outta her ass...

[Lerkfish]

47. ITS THE DAVIS/TOENSING ballroom dancing partners!

[WinkyDink]

48. Blaming the CIA. for "not taking precautions". Hear THAT, Mr. Tenet?

[AlCzervik]

49. Quite the name dropper she is, really self important. Can't wait to see

the democrats unleash the hounds.

[Blackhatjack]

50. She is so cavalier in her approach, perjury is almost guaranteed....

this is not Fox News. Did someone tell her?

[Annces]

51. She really uses a lot of theatrics to make her points

A good con artist.

[WinkyDink]

66. She thinks she's on Tweety's show.

[myrna minx]

52. She's claiming something about the "rule of 38"

implying that everyone knew about Plame. "If 38 people knew, they're not covert." Did I hear that correctly?

[kirby]

63. I heard differently

I thought I heard her say the Rule of 38 was if only 38 people know about something, there will not be enough 'pressure' to get a prosecution. ie; not worth the resources to persue something that is not very public.

[myrna minx]

71. Thanks. I did a Scooby Doo double take when heard her say that.

Thanks for clarifying. :hi:

[WinkyDink]

74. I thought it was: good luck getting a case of "covert", if 38 (i.e., many) people already knew.

The context was Goldwater's complaining about leakers.

[Neurotica]

53. Victoria thinks she is on Faux!

I am swearing at the TV.

She is unbelievable.

[rhiannon55]

55. So the CIA is SUPPOSED to out its agents

preemptively?

Sheesh! What a lame excuse!

[kohodog]

56. Blame George Tenet. She should be on Fox

[October]

57. Pants on fire! She's unreal!

I cannot wait to see her questioned.

[Annces]

62. They are lining up to lay into her

Oh boy.

[bobthedrummer]

58. White House Iraq Group/WHIG Democratic Party timeline reference

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/timeline_activi.php

Judith Miller et al. and WHIG
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/10/19/550/51440

[myrna minx]

59. VT claiming that no one if the WH knew that she was covert.

:crazy:

[Sydnie]

Alright, she gets my vote for Drama Queen for the day

Can she get off my TV now, please?

[LSK]

60. if you dont know shes undercover, why tell anyone then???

What would be the point of telling anyone then?

[BattyDem]

65. How dare you ask a logical question?!

:P

[keithjx]

64. Zaid FINALLY makes the distinction

between the Covert Identities Act and Criminal issues and administrative functions. Toensing and Davis are trying to limit the discussion to Criminal and the Covert Identities Act.

Typical.
KJ

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Wait a minute!!! Hold the phone!!! Davis and Toensing are now saying

nobody knew??? Wasn't their first proclamation that "everybody knew she was a CIA agent"?

:WTF: :crazy:

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Facts fit the current necesity

[BattyDem]

All this spin is making me very dizzy!

:crazy:

[LSK]

79. BUT IT DEFIES LOGIC!! why take any time to "out" someone whos not undercover??

IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

[POAS]

89. She even invoked the "Rule of 38's"

[Sydnie]

A magician knows when to switch the diversion from side to side

and she is not a good magician.

[CottonBear]

69. Vicky and Davis are two very sick people.

How the hell would Vicky know anything about Mrs. Wilson or her job or her covert status? Vicky is a private person not a government employee.

I hope hope Vicky goes down on perjury charges for lying to this committee. She is saying that Mrs. Wilsona and the CIA are liars.

[wryter2000]

70. OMG

Someone sitting behind the committeee...a staffer?...has his mouth hanging open as if he can't believe what he's hearing.

[Dinger]

Waxman Is Fucking Her Up! "I'm Not Yielding My TimeTo You"

Wow!!!

[AlCzervik]

72. ok she's talking fast and is all over the place now, she's having some trouble.

[Lerkfish]

75. Davis is doing his best to coach her out of it, though

[AlCzervik]

85. she's not letting him help er much due to her own arrogance.

[Cameron27]

76. wait till she stops getting cream puff questions

[AlCzervik]

90. the cream puff is now deflated, gotta love Henry.

[Sydnie]

77. Who's the blonde stranger over her shoulder?

Anna Nicole ... is that you? :shrug:

[October]

78. Name-dropping...hands waving...head bobbing...annoying

God she is annoying.

They're only talking about the CIA!

[wryter2000]

80. LOL

Someone sitting behind the committee...a staffer?...has his mouth hanging open as if he can't believe what he's hearing.

[IChing]

82. This part of the hearing is the Administration's response

Blame the CIA

[dogday]

84. The CIA asked for the investigation by the Justice Department

Why doesn't anyone mention this?

[tinfoilinfor2005]

86. So why isn't Davis asking HER whether she is a democrat

or republican???????????

[jelly]

157. Yeah, why not? It's so unclear. I demand answers!!

:sarcasm:

[Cameron27]

87. Waxman

[LSK]

100. WOW, THIS IS BADASS, GO WAXMAN!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

109. He's not allowing her to get away with it!

Not letting her fillibuster, chewing her up and spitting her out!

[poverlay]

110. Sweet DELICIOUS Waxman.... Ohhh this is beautiful. OMG, I'm drooling all over...n/t

[libnnc]

88. CIA's fault. I cannot believe I'm hearing this.

This is freaky-deaky insane

[POAS]

Wax her waxman

[jelly]

158. My jaw was on the floor.

I hate her and the fact that she provided ammunition for every right wing wacko in need of a soundbite over the course of the next several days.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

91. Oh gawd -- I think Zaid and Toesing had a 4 martini lunch together

:crazy:

[WinkyDink]

139. And he had the Diet Coke.

[dogday]

92. Why do I want to slap that woman silly????

[SeattleGirl]

99. I'll hold her -- you slap her. Then we'll switch, 'cause I want to slap her too.

[dogday]

Let's form a line like in the movie airplane....

:rofl:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

106. Get in line ....

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[ronnykmarshall]

93. Go HENRY!!

Fire up the BBQ, Vicky's getting thrown on the grill.

[AlCzervik]

98. how fing great is he? She's stammering all over the place.

[BattyDem]

118. "But ... that's not ... I don't ... well ..."

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

131. but----i'm important!! No i really am, i'm relevant!

[EVDebs]

94. Wasn't Brewster Jennings a 'person' under the law too ?

Ms Toensing disregards the consequences of outing the nuclear non-proliferation ops like Brewster Jennings

[pberq]

95. Obviously she's the front person for the admin.

Do you suppose she was briefed by Rove before the hearing?

[ronnykmarshall]

103. Oh of course.

She won't even let Waxman speak.

[glitch]

121. If so they are in much worse trouble than they think! nt

[fedupinBushcountry]

96. Conservative Hack

Toensing, Victoria Mrs.
Chevy Chase, MD 20815
DiGenova & Toensing LLP/Attorney
NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE CAMPAIGN FUND $1,000
general 07/11/06

more: http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Toensing&first=Victoria

[Greeby]

97. Waxman putting the smackdown to Toesing

Essentially asking "What ass are you pulling this out of?"

[helderheid]

101. THREAD 14 THREAD 14THREAD 14THREAD 14THREAD 14

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x428007

[izzybeans]

150. wrong spot.

[Lerkfish]

102. BINGO! perjury!

not a covert agent.

god she's arguing with waxman.

she's a complete harpy.

[myrna minx]

120. Waxman said that he is not going to yield his time to her! Hahaha.

[myrna minx]

104. Waxman: I am stunned that you come here with

conclusions that she was not a covert agent, and that the WH had nothing to do the outing.

[IChing]

105. Waxman is up now and taking her to task

We had the Republicans talk first.

Now she is gonna break

[Eurobabe]

107. Waxman: How do you know Plame was not a covert agent?

Red hair: arguing with Waxman about whether Plame was covert.

[A wise Man]

108. Burn this Bitch!!!

[wryter2000]

135. Don't worry

Waxman's handing her her ass.

[Hepburn]

111. Wooooohooooo, Waxman!!

Nail the bitch ~~ on VP being covert! YES!!!!!

[WinkyDink]

Ha! Waxman's getting her on what I said she'd try: EQUIVOCATING.

[libnnc]

112. LOL Waxman "I'm not asking for your credentials..."

When she drops Goldwater connection again...

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[AlCzervik]

113. omg Waxman is hilarious!! My God she looks like a damn fool.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. SMACKDOWN!

[Cameron27]

115. !

Waxman pretty much just called her a liar.

[blogslut]

116. Get her, Henry!

:)

[Beaverhausen]

117. GO HENRY!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

140. I just called his office !!! GO HENRY!

In Los Angeles
8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (fax)

[October]

119. Go, Waxman!!!

How'd you reach those conclusions...

Oh is she annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Waxman isn't letting her get away with muc.

"Under the act..." she keeps expressing "covert agent under the act..."

Do you know that no one in the WH leaked the information? Karl Rove admitted he leaked it, do you think he's not telling the truth. Go, Waxman, go!!!

[wryter2000]

122. Amazing

"I'm not asking about the statutes." Waxman is tearing her apart.

[bunny planet]

123. This hag is unfreakingbelievable. She is now calling on Hayden to go under

oath to dispute her.
She is now being bitch slapped, literally.

[dogday]

124. And Waxman is spanking her now!!!!!

[Greeby]

125. Next thing you know

She'll ask what the definition of is is :eyes:

[TexasLady]

OMG this is the MOST arrogant bitch!

shes cocking her head at waxman's questions..sooo cocksure of herself..for now.

im gonna love seeing her choke.

shes disgusting.

[kirby]

141. Her husband is just as bad

He was on Diane Rehm recently defending the Attorney General firings was a bogus charge and that the Mr Iglesias, if he felt pressured by a phone call by a Senator, was a wuss.

[EVDebs]

126. Now we're down to what the meaning of "IS" is Ms Toensing under the act !

Do You have firsthand information that no one in the WHite House has no knowlege of her covert status ?

[LSK]

127. YOU ARE PARSING WORDS TO FIT A NARROW MEANING

[suffragette]

128. "I'm not yielding my time to you"

Waxman just put Toensing in her place.
Basically, I'll ask the questions and you'll answer them.

[Eurobabe]

129. Waxman, nailing her ass to the wall

this woman is such a fucking HARPY!! Move over Ann Coulter!

[Hubert Flottz]

137. ROTFLMAO!

I like it!

[myrna minx]

130. Do you have any first hand knowledge that no one on the WH

outed her?

[jelly]

159. I like how it was pointed out that Rove has admitted to leaking

and then they asked her whether she thought Rove was lying. Haha.

[BlackVelvet04]

132. Waxman just kicked Toensing's

ass.

[CottonBear]

133. Waxman: "No, no, no, no. I'm not yielding my time to you."

Smackdown. Ouch. She's getting her ass kicked. Damn, she's one lying smug witch. :grr:

Waxman is grilling her. "Yes or No." Hey Vicky! This isn't a Faux News bloviating session.

[October]

134. The more she gestures...the more you know she's lying...

She looks like she belongs on someone's dashboard...

[ClayZ]

136. Not so brave now, is she!

[Sir Jeffrey]

138. PERJURY!!!!

Count 1:

Plame was not covert even though Hayden said she was

Count 2:

Nobody at the WH leaked the name even though Karl Rove admitted he did

[fooj]

152. Hayden told Waxman that she WAS covert.

Their arrogance and disdain for the law is stunning.

[ClayZ]

142. She is melting!

[dogday]

143. I don't know what Goldwater was doing but we

have a lady who lost her job..... Good put down....

[myrna minx]

145. Cummings: We had an American who put her life on the line for her

Country, who lost her job, while risking her life. I hope we don;t lose scope of that.

[ClayZ]

146. Her first obvious squirm!

[October]

147. Cummings up now....

Waxman did a great job.

Cummings is doing well now...

Nice tone...

There's a reason why we have these laws...to protect people from harm...people who put their lives on the line...

Cummings is repeating Plame's testimony as to how she expected other countries to betray her identity, but never expected it from her own government. She said whole networks of agents/people have been put in jeopardy...

He's lecturing Toensing...

[October]

148. Blaming CIA...saying they promised to protect...

Cummings says he was a criminal defense lawyer, too....

He's good.

He's questioning her on her testimony. SHE'S PARSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[October]

149. Cummings throwing Toensing's own quotes in her face...

She's holding up "quote" fingers...

Parsing, parsing, parsing!

(Regarding her not being covert because she hasn't been out of the country..."

She just yabbers without answering the question.

[poverlay]

151. I want this tattooed on Toensig's forehead: "I wrote a terrible law and have caused

harm to America and Americans~Oh yeah, and I'm a right wing tool."

[myrna minx]

153. She's claiming that Novak didn't out her, David Corn did. n/t

[mikelgb]

154. E pluribus unim

[lyonn]

155. Waxman, at the conclusion stated he was going to check all her

facts and statements.

[lyonn]

156. oops, double post