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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:24 PM
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Powell said something many fear saying...
Even Obama hasn't said this for fear he may look bad.


Powell said "And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:25 PM
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1. It was a brave thing to do - I'm grateful for that!
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:27 PM
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I'm grateful too, and he's RIGHT, but it's not all that brave.
He doesn't stand to lose anything, does he?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:28 PM
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5. Well, imo it was brave for a Republican (the cowards).
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:27 PM
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2. Colin Powell isn't running for anything! It's amazing how straight
forward and hide nothing when you aren't a candidate for anything!
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:27 PM
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3. It was the strongest point -- I really respect him for that
He made a beautiful argument against their bigotry and fearmongering.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:28 PM
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4. this certainly doesn't forgive his cheerleading for an illegal war.
Sorry - he's trying for brownie points now because he knows a new administration is coming in.
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:33 PM
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10. it doesn't matter...
Someone needed to say it without fear of sounding unAmerican.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:28 PM
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6. It's a real pity that no Dem had the guts to say that
ages ago.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:30 PM
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7. Today, Colin Powell came to the calling for a display of leadership.
He was fighting for all of us. To stop the malicious hate.

Thank You General Powell. :patriot:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:31 PM
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8. The whole thing was extraordinary and unexpected.
I was stunned that he was so direct, and that he took the whole Muslim issue head on more effectively than anyone before. It was genuinely moving, and I didn't expect to be moved by Colin Powell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:34 PM
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11. What does he have to lose?
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:42 PM
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15. who cares?
That's further proof it came from the heart. He is standing up to the GOP base more than McCain has been.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:52 PM
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19. He's standing up to what? McCain has something to lose
Powell doesn't. And he has everything to gain by going with Obama.

Comes from the heart? Colin Powell cares deeply about Colin Powell.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:11 PM
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23. Yeah, but no Dem has said it.
Tom Daschle hasn't said it.

Howard Dean hasn't said it.

Hillary Clinton hasn't said it.

Bill Clinton hasn't said it.

Al Gore hasn't said it.

John Kerry hasn't said it.

John Edwards hasn't said it.

Keith Ellison hasn't said it.




By the way,


Tansy Gold has said it
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:19 PM
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24. Yes, you have.
:loveya:
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:09 AM
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31. Exacttly!!! and may I add, why haven't they said it?
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:39 PM
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25. he's standing up to the base..
You don't need to have something to lose in order for what you say to be inspiring. This statement could give hope to one Muslim kid who may have thought Muslims couldn't be President.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:52 PM
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27. What base? He doesn't have a base. This cost him nothing. n/t
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:40 AM
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32. the Republican conservative base...
Who cares if it cost him nothing. He still did an admirable thing.
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:32 PM
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9. Bigots will have to die out like the dinosaurs
It's exciting to hear parents talk of their kids who question the big deal about Obama being black. Attitude change is less common than intergenerational shifts.

The world is getting smaller, and I envision a day, long after I die, that humans all over share the same shade skin, and we will discuss cultural differences conceptually, not cosmetically.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:34 PM
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12. To me, it was about the most important thing he said
And when Obama took McCain head on about how McCain's campaign whipping up people to the point where someone shouted "kill him". It struck me how warm Obama and his wife embraced after the debate. I'd bet money that she's the only person who knew he would be saying the exact words.

To me those were the two most important push-backs of this past week and probably the campaign.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:47 PM
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26. I agree whole heartedly!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:35 PM
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13. I don't forgive him. I don't forgive him because I once respected him. I don't
forgive him because I once respected him and he lied to me. I respected him because, among other things, he seemed to be a resonably fair man. I respected him because I believed him to be honest and intelligent.

The fact that I cannot forgive him is bittersweet. I would much rather have celebrated his endorsement due to those things about him I respected. The quote you cited above fills me with regret that I can't celebrate it with the vigor of the respect I once had for him. But, I am glad he said it.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:38 PM
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14. Attempts at Repentance
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 04:48 PM by marions ghost
can be a good thing. Actually I see this as atonement and catharsis....and payback

Well-timed. Well said. Thanks Colin.

Should be a cautionary message in there for the "good soldiers" everywhere.

:thumbsup:

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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:47 PM
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17. quotes like Powell's..
Could give hope to some Muslim kid sitting at home who thought being Muslim hindered him/her.

If Palin stays in national politics Muslim kids will see enough negativity.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:06 PM
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20. It gives hope
to anyone who has ever felt maligned because of who or what they are. You don't have to be a Muslim to be disrespected in this country. There are lots of groups who are unfairly targeted by those who thrive on carving a niche for themselves at others' expense.

But the use of a Muslim example was right to the point, given the foaming at the mouth resentment of them in this country and the tarring of Obama as "Arab" and "that one."

So Powell did a good job this time. It's symbolic to many that he endorsed Obama.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:44 PM
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16. Powell made a really good statement he really
hits all sorts of issues that needed touching on. :thumbsup:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:28 AM
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30. I thought so.
I thought his comments on MTP and to reporters after his appearance were more significant than his endorsement of Sen Obama.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:52 PM
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18. That was a really good statement from him. n/t
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:07 PM
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21. Outstanding statement.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:07 PM
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22. He is so right. I wish more people would say this, loudly!
America is an idea. We need to believe and respect that idea, not trample on it!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:08 PM
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28. I can't believe Powell said that. He must be one of them Muslins too.
New Palin talking point.


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:26 PM
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39. I'm sure they could make it stick, too (for some...too many)


Hmmm: Kahl-een Pow-Al. Should have known all along...
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:08 PM
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29. I can't wait to hear the Limbaughs, Hannitys, etc. torch Powell on Monday.
Their true colors will really come out.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:49 AM
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33. In one awful day back in 2003, Powell lost all the credibility he had earned over a lifetime
of honorable service to the country.

Is it possible he gained it all back in just one amazing day in 2008?

We shall see...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:52 AM
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34. then WHY did he knowingly tie Iraq into 911?
Because he KNEW most Americans don't know one middeasterner from the other and he was hired to sell a war. He did it on the ignorance of Joe Sixpack USING Muslims as a scare tactic.
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:45 PM
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35. yet he did what even no Democrat did..
Come out and say without apology that a Muslim can be President. Hell, Hillary used Islamophobia as a campaign tactic.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:20 PM
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36. BFD. There is a TERM for this. Hero Homicide.
Like when firefighters set houses on fire so they can "save" the victims becoming a hero in the process.
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:21 PM
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37. You're really crapping on the importance what he said...
Don't downplay the message because you don't like the messenger. A prominent figure saying Muslim-Americans are Americans too is a big deal.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:24 PM
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38. I think the problem is that the messenger in this case helped make a case...
based on lies and bullshit. His responsibility for that is not diminished because of what he says now.
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 04:36 PM
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40. I never said it was..
I said the message was an important one which I respect.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 04:43 PM
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41. That was what went through my mind re the 'Arab' remark ...
JMcC was right to say "No, he's not an Arab", but he really should have added that it wouldn't matter if he was. That thought wouldn't occur to the "US{A} first" Repugs, and would be head-exploding material for the wingnuts.
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