What YOU think about Powell doesn't mean jack shit.

[Stinky The Clown]

I suspect anyone would be hard pressed to find a Powell supporter on DU ...... or anywhere in LiberalLand.

I can state unequivocally that I think the guy is right down there with pond scum and has been for decades (My Lai coverup, anyone?).

But WE DON'T MATTER.

Powell has VERY high approvals among the very people we need to attract to the campaign to not just win, but to win BIG.

He also helps us in states with high military populations - Virginia and North Carolina come to mind. But also Georgia. Kentucky. Mississippi.

Nobody here will have to meet the guy, work with him, vote for him, even say nice things about him.

He endorsed the guy you support.

'Nuff said.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. rec

[gateley]

2. Agree - it's not about us, it's about those who may be nudged over to our side

to help ensure a win in November.

[gademocrat7]

3. I agree

[snappyturtle]

4. K&R Exactly. nt

[NNN0LHI]

5. Thats right this was not aimed at people who were already planning on voting for Obama

This is aimed at the ones who were on the fence.

Funny people don't understand that?

Don

[rebel with a cause]

82. I agree with you 100 %. There are people here (at DU) that will gripe,

argue, find fault with, or cry about anything and everything. I hate to say this, I love coming here, but sometimes I just want to scream at people that they are not the only voice to be heard, the only opinion to be given, or the only person who counts in this old world.

We are all equal in some ways and unequal in others, but we all have a voice, an opinion and we all count in one way or another. The problem is that no one here has enough power to be able to change what is happening on the world's stage. If we did we would not bother being here. Our power comes when we stand together and raise our voices as one.

Powell may not be the person that we most respect or even like. We probably all think that he has done things wrong in his life time, the problem is that the average person doesn't care what we think. They care about what the 'great military leader' (and that is how they see him) thinks, and they can be influenced by him. I have heard people say that they would vote for a Black man if it was Colin Powell. Well, here is Collin Powell saying that he is going to vote for Obama. That is why his endorsement is a good thing, and the way his endorsement was worded is a good thing. I have seen some posts today from long time DUers that I don't think are a good thing for Barack or for this message board. I just don't know what people are thinking honestly.
:shrug:

[NashVegas]

6. It's Not That

I understand the strategic advantage.

What we're throwing out with the bathwater is the historical perspective of the Bush administration's deception in getting its Iraq War by design.

Powell's role in helping that along was HUGE. We don't need Colin Powell to win this election but in allowing him to attach himself to the campaign and sweep under the rug the lies that were told to the world we lose that ability to write our version of the historical record with Obama's presidency.

[malaise]

10. Valid point

but we can still write our version of the historical record. After all Powell only endorsed when he was sure of the winner. He jumped on the wagon very late.

sp.

[NashVegas]

20. Press Conference Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStJT2VrhdQ

[malaise]

21. Thanks n/t

[Are_grits_groceries]

28. That late jump may turn out to be a fortuitous one.

Powell brought the whole McCain news cycle to a halt. For the next day or two it won't be constant Joe the Plumber, Palin on SNL, Ayers, ACORN,
and whatever else. It takes away valuable face time on TV from McCain, and he needs it. The GOP doesn't have the money to run the commercials
they want. They rely on news coverage to a large extent now.This shifts everything to positive news for Obama and spotlights the GOP's negative
tactics because Powell brought them up so forcefully.
I don't like the man or respect what he has done. However, he may be needed a lot more than people think.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

92. Regardless of what Obama said today, I think Powell's endorsement was timed by the campaign

Our opinion of Powell is irrelevant.

The opinion of hundreds of thousands of military, active and retired may be changed by this endorsement.

The wavering independent voter may choose to vote democratic now.

The enthusiasm for McCain/Palin that is being triggered by their low life campaign may be dampened by the comments of General Powell.

Not to mention, it will dominate this news cycle and echo through MSM for a week.

[onenote]

72. Since you are certain that we don't need Powell's endorsement to win

Can you tell me who is going to win the World Series?

WHile you may not believe it, this race, particularly in terms of electoral college votes, is close. Very close. And the MSM was geared up and ready to cheerlead McCain's "comeback' effort over the next two weeks. Powell's endorsement stops the comeback message dead in its tracks, at least for the next several days. And every day lost for McCain, helps give Obama the edge he will need to come out on top. He may well end up with a significant popular and electoral advantage, but mark my words, the electoral advantage will represent a series of fairly narrow victories in some states -- states where Powell's endorsement may well help put the state in our column.

[rebel with a cause]

83. I don't think so

because Powell has admitted his part in it. We can write it honestly and fully including Powell's part in it.

[PurityOfEssence]

96. Exactly. If Obama stands onstage with him, actually or figuratively, he's endorsing his villainy

I'm tired of the "pragmatism" excuse. Ignore the endorsement and walk away.

[malaise]

7. Absolutely correct

K & R

[peacetalksforall]

8. Good logic. I approve your message.

[vi5]

9. I don't hate Powell, but here's why it won't matter...

I've said it until I'm blue in the face and I'll continue to say it: Independents tend to be Republicans who like to think of themselves as above the political party fray. But they're not. They're guys like my father in law and my one friend who say they are independent but whenever a Democrat does something bad they say "See, that's why I'm not a democrat and don't like them." but when a republican does a similar or worse thing it simply gets a "Well, all politicians are bad!". They will believe every false spin or rumor about a democrat and treat it as fact but then dismiss the same against Republicans as smear tactics.

Guys like this, particularly like my father in law who in 2000 supported Bush because "he has people like Colin Powell in his cabinet" will now say "Oh well Powell is irellevant" or that he's just voting based on his race.

I just think it ultimately won't matter or influence anyone. I'm obviously happier he went with Obama than McCain, but I just don't think it will influence anyone in the long runh

[Revlon10]

15. I agree with you 100%

Independents tend to be Republicans who like to think of themselves as above the political party fray.
Thats it in a nutshell.

[JI7]

16. that is very true, i know many like that, but those are not true independents

but there are people who really are independents and things like this could sway them. they may not be a large number, but in a state like Missouri which is sooooooo close , those few votes could make a difference.

at the very least it will bring some positive coverage .

[dgibby]

18. You are soooo right!

See the tread re: what they're saying in Freeperville.

[a la izquierda]

31. My husband and his dad were independents...

hubby isn't any longer and his dad passed on. But this was their take on it back in the day, and this is how I view independents. Husband and his dad were not Republicans "above the fray" as you suggest, but truly looked at each candidate on the issues. They voted third party if that suited them too, it just depended on the situation. Sure, I agree that some Independents fit your mold, but I don't think that's the cookie cutter mold for all, or even a majority of them.

I think this might sway people, actually. I guess we'll see.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

111. By that logic.....

Independants will mostly vote for McCain, and Obama will lose the election......

That doesn't seem to fit the trend.

I think there are as many people who claim to be independant who are really Democrats, but just don't like the label. Bill Maher is an example.

[vi5]

112. No, but I think that's why we've lost int he past...

I don't think Obama needs to win all of those independents. I think he's done what Kerry and Gore failed to do, and that's bring about more Democrats who either might not vote or who would just sit out.

As for getting SOME of those independents I think he will. I just don't think that Powell's endoresment will be what does it.

[HughMoran]

11. For many moderate/independent Republicans, Powell caries equivalent or more weight than McCain

The old McCain that is. Powell is what McCain used to be to these more middle-of-the-road people. This endorsement reaches the people McCain absolutely can't afford to lose 1 of if he has ANY chance of winning. This is a knife directly into the heart of McCain's campaign.

[Saturday]

12. Tell that to the Mother's of the dead soldiers. nt

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

13. When I was out canvassing yesterday

I came across a guy who said he was retired military and he was voting McCain. He then shut the door in my face (gently). I wonder if Powell's endorsement will have any impact on him?

[nichomachus]

14. Yes, pacts with the devil always work out so well n/t

[notalemming]

33. I've disagreed with you a fair number of times but you have struck the nail on its head there.

:thumbsup:

[shadowknows69]

17. Just watched his statement on MTP

I have to say I was impressed. Perhaps Colin has had an epiphany. I can't believe it was part of the Bush administration that brought up the fact that it shouldn't matter if Obama were a Muslim.

[Taverner]

19. yup

[DemoTex]

22. General Powell's endorsement is very valuable, however ..

Don't give him a seat in the Obama administration. Why?

1. My Lai cover-up.

2. Iran-Contra

3. Iraq war

[shadowknows69]

23. I would hope that isn't even under consideration

[DemoTex]

25. I really would not think so.

And I really don't think that, for once, Powell has any ulterior motives.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. I would bet there is zero chance of him getting a seat in Obama's cabinet.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. I'd be very surprised if the offer would be made,

or that Powell would accept it. I suspect he'd just as soon stay retired.

[TahitiNut]

46. The only "seat" I'd offer is one in the witness box.

:shrug: He's one of the few to whom I'd offer a plea bargain ... but he still would serve some time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. You are absolutely right.

Even if we DUers don't respect him (I don't), the important thing is that a lot of people still do, especially military people. So this is a very good thing, and has the added bonus of bumping Joe the Plumber and Sarah Does SNL off the front page. So everybody please just STFU about how bad old Colin Powell bent over for Bush; that doesn't matter right now. This endorsement (and what he said while giving it) is a very good thing and we should be happy about it.

[lonestarnot]

29. Fair enough. Now can we move along! 16 days! Woohoo!

[notalemming]

30. Damn right. Principles are just inconvenient little bits of crap when an election is

the only thing that matters.

[NNN0LHI]

34. Your feelings are hurt ain't they?

You will get over it as you watch President Obama being sworn in soon.

Don

[notalemming]

51. Shove it Goober. I have 5 Obama signs in my yard. I want him elected,

I don't want it done with the help of traitors.

[NNN0LHI]

56. Why only 5 Obama signs in your yard?

:spank:

[notalemming]

60. My yard is most of a city block, it has streets on 3 sides.

I put 1 in front of the house, 2 on the long street and 1 each by the others. Were you attempting some kind of lame gibe there?

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Awright genius ... I'm gunna pick on you .......

Your post implies that you don't appreciate the Powell endorsement as a matter of personal principle.

Okayfine.

What would you have us do?

That's not a rhetorical question.

Powell decided he wanted to do this. Assume he didn't check in with Obama .... or maybe he did.

What would YOU have us do?

"Thanks but no thanks"?

Again, this is not rhetorical. I am asking you a direct question.

(And before you try to go there with some deflective bullshit, I am not defending **anything** Powell has ever done. My OP was quite clear where I stand on Powell, the man.)

[notalemming]

49. I'm not sure who the "us" in your question refers to--

if you mean DU, I'd say accept it without the ejaculatory glee so many have expressed. If you mean the Obama campaign I wouldn't comment on it. At all. Does that answer it?

[Stinky The Clown]

58. I must have missed that "ejaculatory glee"

Where did you see that?

:shrug:

[jonnyblitz]

61. are you fucking BLIND?!?! holy crap!!

"Powell had me in tears..etc,etc." :puke: :puke: :puke:

maybe you should take some time from your BLOVIATING and READ some other threads. :crazy:

[Stinky The Clown]

64. Unflare your nostrils and answer me this:

NOT RHETORICAL -----> What should the Obama campaign do with the Powell endorsement?

Would YOU suggest they reject it? Would that make your sillyseasonself happy?

:eyes:

[Number23]

108. ROFLMBAO

Unflare your nostrils and answer me this

I'm not trying to butt in or anything, but this right here has got to be the funniest thing I've read on DU ALL DAMN DAY!!!

Wooo weee!! :rofl: Okay, carry on...

[Name removed]

79. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. "Assume he didn't check in with Obama .... "

Yer funny.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NNN0LHI]

36. You just signed up today to express that little nugget?

Sniff, sniff.

Don

[TahitiNut]

43. Sunday morning brunch ... pizza always tastes good.

:shrug:

[Starry Messenger]

68. His World of Warcraft server must have been down this morning. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

40. And your credentials to know all of that is ......... ?

You know the details of his North Carolina support ....... how?

Your opinion is no more valuable than mine, so don't cite that.

My question is not rhetorical.

How do **YOU** know what his support level in North Carolina is? And if you know, then what is it? 10%? 90%?

What?

[cherokeeprogressive]

87. So if a black man doesn't endorse a man of mixed race, he's racist?

Seems like a stretch to me.

[LWolf]

37. Thanks for letting me know that I don't matter.

BTW, I'm casting a vote this morning, ready for tomorrow's mail.

I guess I can skip it, or vote my heart instead of holding my nose for Obama, since I don't matter anyway.

Right?

[NNN0LHI]

39. We are on an anonymous chat site

You could have already voted for McCain for all I know.

Every time I find someone real stupid they think everyone else is too.

Never fails.

Don

[LWolf]

53. You could be sleeping with Palin for all I know.

I don't assume that to be the case; it's YOUR rather limited strategy for engaging in conversation. :shrug:

Is it the norm for you to assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you must be "stupid?"

[Stinky The Clown]

41. Do whatever you wanna do.

Is the Powell endorsement gunna cause you to vote for someone other than the Democratic nominee?

Have at it.

:shrug:

[LWolf]

50. I always do.

I also always find the dismissal of those whose votes SHOULD be appreciated disgusting.

[immoderate]

44. I don't think I understand your post...

Unless you don't understand the OP.

--IMM

[LWolf]

48. I'm sorry that you find it hard to understand

why anyone would find being told that "they don't mean jack shit" to be offensive. :eyes:

[immoderate]

57. I was right. You don't understand the OP.

Take heart. You are not being judged as a person. The OP was only about your relevance to the Powell endorsement, in which case, it's accurate. That is, unless you think your criticisms of Powell are enough to discourage those who might vote for Obama, based on Powell's endorsement, to reverse their judgment. In short, the "best" you can do is cost us a few votes. So maybe you are relevant.

--IMM

[LWolf]

71. Here's how I took it.

I'm the left wing of the Democratic Party. The wing that has been "distanced" in this campaign. The wing that is taken for granted until some break ranks and vote outside the party, and then get to be the scapegoat for the rest of the party's bad choices.

The wing that is now, according to some, irrelevant, even though we haven't voted.

I'm voting today. I don't like being taken for granted, marginalized, or made to be irrelevant.

Do you get that?

Colin Powell can endorse whomever he pleases. He is still my enemy. He presented false information, information that was knowingly false, to take us into an unnecessary and costly war. He was one of the National Security Council's Principals Committee that signed off on torture.

Either his endorsement is irrelevant, or the democratic party has become irrelevant to the principles that bring me to the political table.

Which is it?

What is really relevant, or not?

[immoderate]

78. I'm with you, mostly.

I'm to the left of the Democratic Party too. Have been since Lyndon Johnson. I think that Powell is a war criminal. There isn't much he could say that would affect my decisions. I admire Obama for his accomplishments, but he is a bit conservative for my taste. We don't really have a lot of choices because of the way the system works. The one choice we can probably agree on is that it would be best if McCain is denied the White House.

To this end, Powell's endorsement is irrelevant to you and me, and our opinions of him are irrelevant to the voters he might influence. That he might prevent some voters from voting for McCain, I judge to be a good thing. It's not pretty, because Powell has always been a sellout, and, like you, I don't see this as redemption. But the outcome favors us, and in the spirit of what is politics, I can't complain about him doing it.

I hope that we can find a way to fix a system where the Democrats are really Republicans, and the Republicans are fascists. At least for once, we seem to be moving in the right direction.

--IMM

[LWolf]

80. You express that very well.

I agree with everything you've said.

My point is separate; what I think, and what you think, DO mean more than "jack shit."

Influence a few republican voters? That's great.

I've already read at least one DUer suggesting Powell as Secretary of State.

That's another thing entirely.

[immoderate]

84. War criminals are disqualified.

In another thread, I suggested Samantha Power. I'm all for new faces.

I too like to think of myself as "more than jack shit," but consider the limited scope of this instance, and husb2sparkly's way of putting things, this is a time to not take it personally.

--IMM

[Stinky The Clown]

65. Clearly you simply want to be pissed off about something.

If you had taken the time to not only read, but to comprehend the OP, you would have understood that "you" ..............


Ah fuck it ...... you can't teach geese to howl.

[LWolf]

70. You can't teach geese to howl,

and you won't stop wolves from howling.

I don't "want" to be pissed off. I've been pissed off for 8 years now, and it gets worse every damned day. What makes it worse is when the people that should be standing against the atrocities of the last 8 years rationalize them to make points in a campaign.

I have longer memories than many. I remember that Colin Powell offered up false information, that was already known to be false, to justify going to war. An unnecessary war that has taken too many lives, damaged too many others, and cost the nation too much in every way.

I also remember that he was on the National Security Council's Principals Committee that signed off on torture.

That matters to me. It means more than jack shit.

What pisses me off are the assertions that it DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

This wolf will keep howling.

[Stinky The Clown]

73. Do you remember My Lai?

And the formal coverup?

I do.

Why are you raging at me?

What, specifically, did my OP say that pissed you off to the point you found it necessary to come in and start this sub thread?

The above is not a rhetorical question.

And to be perfectly clear, I will repeat the question:

What, specifically, did my OP say that pissed you off to the point you found it necessary to come in and start this sub thread?

[LWolf]

75. Yes. I remember.

The specific part of your post that pissed me off is this:

"What YOU think about Powell doesn't mean jack shit."

That "YOU" makes it personal, doesn't it? It tells me that what I think "doesn't mean jack shit."

It's an attack thread directed towards anyone who is disturbed by Powell.

I obviously disagree. "What I think" is the basis for all my choices in life. It sure as hell means something to me, and ought to mean something to anyone looking for my vote.

[Stinky The Clown]

If you bothered to comprehend as you read, you would notice I **specifically** included myself .....

..... in the rhetorical "You" that pissed you off.

But whatever, Slapshot ... just go with your gut.

[LWolf]

95. I comprehend just fine.

You asked for specifics, I gave it. The rest isn't part of the specifics.

Are you fine with saying that what you yourself think "doesn't mean jack shit?"

If so, why do you bother sharing it at all? Why bother talking about it, using it to determine your vote, or anything else?

Frankly, I think it's out of cyber-character for you.

[TahitiNut]

45. Over the years, I've noticed that some folks who talk about voting their hearts ...

... logically stay home and don't vote. :shrug:

[LWolf]

47. I've never not voted.

While I'm more independent than democrat, being fairly anti-partisan, I've never before NOT voted for the democrat for president.

It's been hard this time. I flat out don't want to. I've been steeling myself with an iron-clad clothespin, ready for today. I've made my decisions about the state initiatives, state-wide and local offices. I'll be voting.

Today. I got my ballot in yesterday's mail.

[TahitiNut]

38. Florida

:shrug:

[yardwork]

42. I'm surprised that this is so difficult for many DUers to grasp.

Today is reminding me of some of the worst days of the primaries. Geez, people. Get a grip.

[Bonobo]

52. That is precisely why we should be able to mention our personal feelings without assholes

on this board villifying us.

I blame Powell partially for the deaths of hundreds of thousands.

The fact that he endorsed my candidate is wonderful, but on a message board where people give their opinions, I would like to give mind without people saying "Blah, blah, get over it!"

[Stinky The Clown]

67. My thread vilified no one

If you have an issue with being vilified, take it up with the vilifier.

My thread said that what we think (that includes me) about the Powell endorsement doesn't mean jack shit.. In fact, I went out of my way to make it clear, in the OP, that Powell is no hero of mine and I have no praise for him, even in endorsing Obama.

That said, the endorsement is a good thing, in my view.

Now ... who vilified poor little you?

[aikoaiko]

54. High level defectors from the other side are huge for us. huge.

We should embrace Powell the way republicans embraced Zell Miller.

[trotsky]

55. k&r n/t

[Sheepshank]

59. But he verbalizes....

Powell says loudly and clearly some of the things that troubles many conservative Reps. And that is McCain's choice in VP is a reflection on McCain's decision making skills. It's not a good reflection. DU'ers have been saying this on and off for some time...and that is the Palin choice is disconcerting to the Reps. I for one, always considered it a cognitive dissonance point with the Reps, especially those that protested so loudly what a great choice she turned out to be.

So now a high rank reps says it out loud. McCain's choice of Palin was a deal breaker for Powell. Whatever Bradley effect may occur with Obama, the choice of Palin will come into play when the Rep gets into voting booth. As for Powell 'coming out' now....I happen to think Obama has known about this for some time. The timing was too strategic for it not to have beena known factor. Something with a heavy impact to be used at an opportune time. There are too many fence sitters that needed a nudge since it appears that McCain's negative campaining was making some changes. That momentum has been effectively stopped.

[bagimin]

62. 10-4 that good buddy!

[felinetta]

63. I agree! And I'm grateful for his endorsement!

[tilsammans]

66. Very well said!

(Especially the part about jack shit. LOL!)

Thank you for posting so eloquently.

While I've taken issue with much of what Powell's done in the past (My Lai was particularly reprehensible), I fully agree with his statements today, the only exception being his use of "distinguished" to describe Sarah Palin.

:kick:

[sofa king]

69. So how 'bout endorsements from Jack Abramoff and Nicollo Machiavelli, too?

This is my problem: Colin Powell isn't just pond scum, he is a criminal who knowingly and deliberately helped to deceive America into fighting an unjust and unnecessary war. I don't give a fuck who he attracts, what his endorsement does is lend Powell's criminal reputation to this campaign.

I'm sure the Obama camp had its reasons for accepting this endorsement, but I am not sure those reasons are consistent with the otherwise straight-and-level campaign Obama has run--which has attracted far more supporters than any Bush Administration war criminal ever will.

[onenote]

74. have you been logic impaired for long?

There are a lot of swing voters for whom an endorsement by Colin Powell means something. That can't be said about Jack Abramoff. He has no constituency among swing voters (or among pretty much any voters at this point). I'm sure if you calm down and think about it for a minute, you'd recognize the difference.

[DailyGrind51]

76. THANK YOU!

You said what needed saying, "we" need to win this thing no matter where our candidate's support comes from. Hell, FDR allied himself with Stalin to defeat Hitler!

[hiphopnation]

77. amazing that it requires an explanation here

k&R

[InvisibleTouch]

81. True enough.

Ohio has a major Air Force base as well. (All my neighbors with their McCain signs ... I just shake my head. My family was Air Force too, and you'd never see a rethug sign in our yard.) I won't complain about anything that helps.

[earth mom]

85. Sell your soul all you want, but I'm NOT going to. 'Nuff said. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

88. What words in the OP indicate a sale of my soul? That s NOT a rhetorical qestion.

What was said in the OP that YOU took to mean that I sold my soul?

Be Specific.

You said what you said about me and I expect you to answer or just shut up.

[earth mom]

89. You are telling me how to think and I'm telling you to not sell your soul.

Anyone who supports Powell could just as easily be supporting * & Cheney if they came out and said they supported Obama.

Supporting Powell is selling out, selling your ethics, morals to the criminals in office who have lied, cheated, killed and tortured.

I can't support that and I WILL NOT find excuses to do so just because it helps Obama get in office.

Yes, the alternative of McCain & Palin in office is horrendous, but I refuse to sink so low as some around DU are doing today.


BTW-You need to check your ego at the door, because this isn't just about you-it's about anyone here on DU who is telling other people what to think and feel about this issue.



p.s Just so you know, I have supported a great many of your threads with recs and positive posts, so I don't appreciate being yelled at just because I don't agree with you here.

[Stinky The Clown]

91. It isn't about agreeing with me or not. You said one thing that was very personal.

You said I sold my soul.

I want to know what I said that caused you to think and then say that. And I am not asking that rhetorically.

And I bet we agree on this topic more than we disagree. But you said what you said and I really want to know why and what I said that caused you to think that.

I'm not yelling at you. I am making my views and my request of you perfectly clear.

Thanks for the recs in the past.

[nini]

97. How is it selling your soul to recognize the political impact ..

.. of this endorsement to the independent and moderate Republican voters?

It's simply acknowledging how it will affect some voters and in this race Obama needs those swing states - you don't have to say all if forgiven to realize this.

Selling one's soul would be to say all is forgiven, which the OP didn't do.

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

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[Raine]

93. Agreed, glad you said it. nt

[rhett o rick]

94. Wow, you're kinda bossy.

Or just passionate. I can handle it. Keep up the passion. I agree with you completely.

[specimenfred1984]

98. So torture and conspiracy to commit war mean NOTHING TO YOU, OK

Welcome to ignore.

[Hekate]

99. Yay, Stinky!

:toast:

Hekate

[spoony]

100. hard-pressed? Fooled me.

I'm seeing all kinds of ridiculous praise on DU for this cretin. Shit I just saw someone say he should be Secy of State under Obama! Take his blood-soaked endorsement, fine. Maybe it'll influence someone. Fine. But people are going way over that line. Posters are defending his lies, embracing his "integrity" and generally just falling all over a fucking warmonger. It's sickening.

[Evoman]

102. I agree with this post completely Spoony. Maybe the first and only time

we have ever agreed, but hey.....

Awesome post.

[spoony]

103. Ta!

Had to happen eventually, and this is one of those things I think we're just really, clearly in the right about. Water is wet and warmongers aren't our friends. Nice to find common ground.

[Evoman]

106. Well, to be honest, I'm trying to find some way to twist this into anti-christian hit piece.

Just kidding.

:evilgrin:

[spoony]

107. And I was going to segue this into converting you.

Heathen. ;)

[Horse with no Name]

104. I agree

Sometimes words escape me.
Powell should be hanged right next to Bush and Cheney at the Hague.
I'll not support a war criminal--now or ever--no matter who the fuck he endorses.

[Skittles]

110. THANK YOU SPOONY

for reminding me there is still some fucking SANITY on DU....this election cannot come soon enough; the cost in soul-selling is getting VERY FUCKING HIGH

[Tulum_Moon]

101. Husb2Sparkly!

Go lick his dirty ass if you must. I wont lower myself! Have a good time! Enjoy!

[StrictlyRockers]

105. This is a good point. The endorsement will play big in some key states. That matters.

[Skittles]

109. oh.................gawd

now I have read it all....someone PLEASE remind me I am on a DEMOCRATIC BOARD