Plame OFFICIAL #8

[helderheid]

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[Cameron27]

1. k&r

[helderheid]

2. are you saying there is no report?

:wow:

[Occulus]

"There was already an outside investigation taking place, a criminal inv.,

that's why we didn't investigate"

paraphrasing

[LSK]

3. So now its clear at least from 2004 on there was no Internal White House Investigation

[dogday]

8. Silly, how do they investigate themselves??? nt

[tridim]

9. Bush lied, again.

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. Guess that means the WH can talk about it then! n/t

[dogday]

4. K&R

[Cerridwen]

5. K & R - Thanks for keeping up, helderheid

I much appreciate it.

:hi:

[helderheid]

my pleasure!

:hi:

[tridim]

6. Cummings kicks ass!

Was there no investigation? "Not in my office"

Uh oh Bush. You lied.

[Hepburn]

16. No shit....he is MELTING this guy! Wow!! n/t

[helderheid]

17. TA DAAA!!!

[Eurobabe]

7. You're doing a heckuva job Knodell!

Does ANYONE in this fucking White House do their job??

[tridim]

20. That's a very easy question to answer.. NO.

[Uncle Joe]

103. Not only no, but they do their best to undermine the people

that sincerely wish to do their job.

[ClayZ]

10. One of your main objectives is to make sure these kind of things

DONT Happen!

[ClayZ]

18. We had a breach on top of a breach!

[Occulus]

11. "Did you look into it at all?

"No."

[marmar]

13. Elijah Cummings is calling all manner of bullshit today.....

:yourock:

[Occulus]

27. Oooh, smack smack SMACK.

And the CHAIRMAN steps in "just to pin this down".

[POAS]

14. Is his name Knodell or No Tell

[Eurobabe]

22. oh, he's telling! That NOTHING WAS DONE!!

[A wise Man]

15. Knodell is squirming

from ELIJAH questions.

[Eurobabe]

19. Ohmigod, Cummings: A breach on top of a breach

This White House is so fucked.

[helderheid]

23. I feel like I can breathe again.

[dogday]

21. Oh-- Bringing up what the President said

Ouch, that had to smart....

[Cameron27]

Waxman

Do you know if there was an investigation?

Because the Whitehouse said they were going to investigate.....zing!

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Oooooooo!

"The President said there would be an investigation".

Yeah, right!! And monkeys are gonna fly out of my ass!

[myrna minx]

45. They are soooo screwed.

:toast:

Am I correct in that the WH still has not conducted an investigation?

Yes Sir.

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. Unbelievable!!! WTF? Was there an investigation or did this guy

just get the job and never show up at the office?

[myrna minx]

33. He's doing a heckava job. n/t

[tinfoilinfor2005]

59. Why unbelievable?

We all knew very well that there wasn't a finger lifted to flip over the rocks that housed these slugs.

[Norquist Nemesis]

91. They didn't need to flip any rocks...they already knew every player

and their roles! :grr:

[benld74]

26. His job is just to collect salary

[Norquist Nemesis]

34. Apparently so! They canned his predecessor 'at the pleasure of the pres'

We need to know who that guy was!

[Skidmore]

28. The Waxman socks * in the kisser.

Recalls that * said he'd get to the bottom of it and we hear instead from this guy that there never was an investigation.

[tridim]

37. This is unbelievable!

I'm shaking here! :grr:

[benld74]

39. I'd LOVE to be the E-mail administrator in that place!

[POAS]

29. Waxman trying to nail

it to Bush's door

[Skidmore]

31. Methinks some folks at the WH are currently sitting

in offices talking to their lawyers. No work getting done there today.

[IChing]

40. Nailed Knodell is nailed!!! No investigation when they said they were investigating

The smoking gun

[Hepburn]

30. If the Pubbies intentionally boycotted this hearing...

...they made a hell of a mistake, IMO. Not that they could do a lot, but of it, but I would guess that they would at least have tried to do some damage control on this.

This committee is burying the WH today, IMO.

[POAS]

38. At this point I think it is

only about CYA and they are only interested in their own asses

[Hepburn]

75. Boy...

...I don't know what the hell they can do at this time to even begin to cover their asses on this one. Simply put: NO INVESTIGATION. PERIOD. All the lies about finding out about this and NO one knew...yada, yada...how in the hell does the WH cover for these FACTS??? No way, IMO!

Man, Diane is NAILING this guy now....he looks more like he is confessing and NOT testifying.

[POAS]

101. I mean the Congress critters laying low

rather than sticking ther own asses in a sling.

[PATRICK]

Typical strategy

for a bad day hearing? They usually appoint one or two guys to do the work and take the heat while the rest go to the bar or something, waiting for the story to go away. Instead, it could be the building block to impeachment of higher ups.

Surprised there is no press conference or security color alert today. Gutting it out to the weekend, I suppose. Gonzales has at least three more days thanks to news cycles.

[Wednesdays]

32. He keeps saying "There was no investigation...

in my office." Sounds like he's choosing his words very carefully.

[rodeodance]

35. USAToday: 'CIA leak' hearing: Waxman says Plame was 'covert'

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject 'CIA leak' hearing: Waxman says Plame was 'covert'
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2769405#2769405
2769405,


'CIA leak' hearing: Waxman says Plame was 'covert'
Posted by sabra on Fri Mar-16-07 09:51 AM


http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/cia_leak_hearin.html

'CIA leak' hearing: Waxman says Plame was 'covert'

<snip>

Update at 10:29 a.m. ET. She was "covert:"

The question of whether Plame was a "covert" agent when her identity was revealed in 2003 has been greatly debated. The issue is important because leaking the name of a "covert" agent violates a specific law designed to protect such operatives.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., just said he has been told by the CIA, in a statement authorized by CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, that "Miss Wilson's CIA employment status was covert." (Plame is married to former U.S. diplomat and Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson. She does go by the name Valerie Wilson, but is most often referred to in the media as Valerie Plame, her maiden name, because that is how she first came to be known when her name was leaked.)




http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/16/plame.congress.ap/index.html

Plame: I was outed for 'purely political reasons'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former CIA officer Valerie Plame told a congressional committee Friday that she believes she was outed in 2003 for "purely political reasons."

Plame, whose outing triggered a federal investigation, said she always knew her identity could be discovered by foreign governments but said she was surprised to be identified by her own government.

"My name and identity were carelessly and recklessly abused by senior officials in the White House and State Department," Plame testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. "I could no longer perform the work for which I had been highly trained." (Watch Plame describe how she felt when her identity was revealed Video)

...

"It's not our job to determine criminal culpability, but it is our job to determine what went wrong and insist on accountability," Rep. Waxman said as he opened hearings.

[rodeodance]

43. CNN: Wilson: I did not recommend husband for Niger trip

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Wilson: I did not recommend husband for Niger trip
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2769518#2769518
2769518,


Wilson: I did not recommend husband for Niger trip
Posted by sabra on Fri Mar-16-07 11:32 AM


http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/03/wilson-i-did-not-recommend-husband-for.html

Wilson: I did not recommend husband for Niger trip

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson testified Friday that it was not her idea for her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, to make a trip to Niger to investigate an allegation that Iraq had sought yellowcake uranium.

"I did not suggest him. I did not recommend him. There was no nepotism involved," she said, adding, "I did not have the authority."

It was the suggestion of another CIA officer who knew that Joe Wilson had previously gone on other CIA missions "to deal with some other nuclear matters," she said.

Later, she was asked to write an e-mail summarizing the discussion that included the possibility of her husband going. A portion of that e-mail was later taken out of context to make it seem that she had suggested her husband go, she said.

[Eurobabe]

36. Cummings: If Rove recv'd this info

now that the trial is over, would Rove have any duty to report the breach. Knowdell: Yes, at the time of the ocurrence.

[berner59]

44. wow - don't think Waxman expected this...

This is a bombshell, right????

The sign "got impeachment" behind this guy...GREAT!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

56. Agree 100%!

[TexasLady]

That was great

lol i saw that too.

he had just the cutest smirk on his face too!

Got Impeachment?


hehe

[crispini]

60. THAT was excellent.

That was a totally sweet quote. I really perked my ears up at that.

[Lasher]

41. I think that was Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, (D) Maryland just questioning the witness

No subtitles on the Committee link and it's hard to read the nametags.

[benld74]

They did not start an investigation because,,,

that would NOT help THEIR case that Plame WAS NOT a covert agent.

[myrna minx]

58. He just destroyed Knowdell.

That was a sight to behold.

[Hepburn]

42. Man, this is HOT....

...on the WH not doing one damn thing to find out who was to answer...Waxman just comment on that.

I am getting goose bumps over this ~~ Bush caught in a MEGA lie over his statements that the WH was looking into this.

I am about to cry ~~ FINALLY....FINALLY....things are coming to light.

[dogday]

51. Bush lied again

and this time we have him dead to rights... Can't get out of this one....

[rfranklin]

53. Bush: Ah conducted the investigation and found myself...

innocent of everything.

[rodeodance]

133. Jr is one of those Born again-----God tells them--therefore they can not

make mistakes. simple logic for them

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Sounds like it's time to subpeona the president.

[tridim]

66. Waxman should be writing the subpeona right now

Get him in there before the day is over. Or is he still "out of the country"?

[helderheid]

47. Got impeachment?

[POAS]

55. Made me giggle

[dogday]

61. You bet I do

Tons of it....Set the table Nancy, we are bringing home the bacon....

[ronnykmarshall]

63. This is great!

I turned from the PC just in time to see that.

I'll NEVER get any of m' housework done today with this on.

Ah fuck it! I busted my ass yesterday. Let the ol' man do his share!

[POAS]

48. Watson ready to pounce on "No Tell"

[Norquist Nemesis]

65. She should ask who his predecessor was

Find out where THAT guy is.

[Occulus]

71. My goodness, she looks and sounds like she's talking to

a child who did something baaaaad.

She's angry. You can tell by looking at her OR by listening to her.

[tridim]

49. Anyone have a vid clip of Bush saying "We're investigating who leaked"?

He's a fucking LIAR!

[Bandit]

69. Oh but they did investigate..don't you remember McClellem saying he asked Rove

and Rove told him it didn't happen. Investigation closed...

[Annces]

50. Fox in the hen house

Rove et al will not investigate themselves.

[Eurobabe]

52. Uh oh, "Impeach Cheney First outburst!" in the house

[Lasher]

54. I think I just heard somebody chanting again.

[POAS]

62. Hare Krishna?

[ronnykmarshall]

68. As much as I agree ...

they gotta chill out during this hearing.

[POAS]

74. To everything there is a time

[ClayZ]

Nam Meyoh Renge Kyo?

No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should!

[Lasher]

89. Heh, coulda been. Downthread is says they were saying impeach Cheney first.

OK for the downtrodden cube rats: Now Diane E. Watson, (D) California is grilling Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House. She's unloading! Dereliction for not conducting a WH internal investigation into the leaks! Further investigation is in order!

[John Q. Citizen]

57. Impeach Cheney first!

[cornflake_31]

67. Thought I heard that too.

[John Q. Citizen]

82. It's so cool!

[benld74]

70. The way he is answering the questions he needs to change his name to NO-DUH!

[Eurobabe]

64. I think this is even more damaging than Plame testimony

ya think?

[Sydnie]

72. absolutely

no doubt about it!

[Cameron27]

73. Yes, they're bringing the Whitehouse right into the center of this.

Watson's nailing this guy.

[helderheid]

YES, far more - my head is spinning!

[Hepburn]

90. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! n./t

[John Q. Citizen]

122. This is scathing. It hits to the center of the National Security question.

[notadmblnd]

76. Poor guy looks like he's about to cry now

almost feel sorry for him. NOT! :rofl:

[Sydnie]

111. He looks like he just broke up with his wife and his dog went with her

by choice!

Screw him!

"there should be an investigation." Was there one? "No, there was no investigation."

Turn in your badge and return your last pay check. You don't deserve to continue.

[valerief]

77. He'll probably get in a fatal car accident tonight. nt

[A wise Man]

78. This dumb ass Knodell

is lying his as off!!!!!

[myrna minx]

79. Your office was responsible for an investigation of the breach, is

that correct?
Yes.

You did no investigation to find out how Karl Rive learned the identity of Ms. PLame?

No.

It seems to be dereliction of duty.

[berner59]

116. The members are REALLY stunned...

This witness looks shaken, like - I really said something I shouldn't have...

This is BIG NEWS! Didn't Bush say that it was being investigated??

[myrna minx]

130. He's going to be dehydrated before he leaves because of his flop sweat and dry mouth.

[Skidmore]

80. This guy's career is going down the drain as he keeps answing.

[ronnykmarshall]

Go get 'em Diane!

"You're the officer of SECURITY and you're telling me there was NO investigation?"


GO DIANE!

[Eurobabe]

81. Watson telling Knodell, there is a dereliction of duty here

Why the Director's office has not investigated this...

[Catshrink]

94. Oh man -- the wheels are coming off.

I can't believe we're finally hearing this. :woohoo:

[A wise Man]

100. Its hard to believe

these idiots would lie to the fifth power for the Bush Administration.

[AlCzervik]

83. Ms. Watson came to kick ass and chew bubblegum, looks like she's out of gum.

[Occulus]

Someone took her Doublemint.

She's pissed.

Very.

[Webster Green]

84. This is really getting good!

No investigation??????

Impeach Now!

[malaise]

96. Oh yes

This is getting great. Van Hollen is whipping him big time.

[dogday]

105. You can't make this stuff up...

We are going to see much more of this as time goes on....

[marmar]

85. Take no prisoners, Diane Watson!!!

:wow:

[ronnykmarshall]

126. God I love her!

I'm calling her office right now to thank her.

Washington Office
125 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515-0533
phone: [phone]
fax: [phone]

Los Angeles Office
4322 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 302
Los Angeles, CA 90010
phone: [phone]
fax: [phone]

[seemunkee]

86. Keep asking the question over and over

Your the director of security and there was no investigation?
GO GO GO.

[trof]

87. Knodell doesn't exist on google. I found lists

of White House staff and he doesn't appear in 2005 by name or title.
"Director of White House Security"?
Is this not a staff position?
Or what?
Google has no record of "James Knodell".

[kestrel91316]

134. Waxman needs to know that tidbit if he already doesn't.

Email it to him!

[Glimmer of Hope]

88. Oh no. Someone else is going to lose their job! (I hope)

[Skidmore]

102. Rove must be smelling Rump roast burning about now.

[eleny]

106. I was just wondering how soon he'd hand in his resignation

Edit: I mean James Knodell.

[deucemagnet]

92. Wow! Diane Watson is *nailing* No-Tell Knodell!

I'm predicting that a resignation in imminent.

[Gregorian]

93. We're finally seeing the fruits of this forum.

This is wild!

[rodeodance]

95. Just checked RedState to see what they have to say about this.

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Just checked RedState to see what they have to say about this.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3165621#3165639
3165639,

Just checked RedState to see what they have to say about this.
Posted by Old and In the Way on Fri Mar-16-07 11:50 AM

{chirp}

On the FR Front Page:

{chirp}...but they do have a live thread here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801823/posts

750 responses so far

One of the 1st posts which should be the expected talking point of the day.

To: Mo1
Countdown until she perjures herself.
5.4.3.2.1....
3 posted on 03/16/2007 6:03:01 AM PDT by mnehrling (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Seperabit)
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[rodeodance]

115. WH defense is that they did not know Plame was covert. They are using this hearing to

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject The Whitehouse defense is that they did not know Plame was covert. They are using this hearing to
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426445#426445
426445,

The Whitehouse defense is that they did not know Plame was covert. They are using this hearing to
Posted by Sapere aude on Fri Mar-16-07 11:39 AM

make that point. I hope we prove otherwise. It blows my mind that the most repukes will protect party over country.

[rodeodance]

124. So what RW "CIA Leak" talking points have been blown out of the water?

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject So what RW "CIA Leak" talking points have been blown out of the water?
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426448#426448
426448, So what RW "CIA Leak" talking points have been blown out of the water?
Posted by sabra on Fri Mar-16-07 11:40 AM

- The day Novak's article was published Plame was a covert agent
- Plame conducted foreign undercover mission in the past 5 years
- Plame didn't in anyway send Joe Wilson to Niger
- A memo was sent to the three Senate Republicans refuting their amendment regarding Joe Wilson's trip. The memo was ignored.
- Joe Wilson comes from a Republican family

What else?

edit: the above points shatter the talking points :-)

[crispini]

97. "An investigation should be done"

"But it was not done"

"Correct"

OH SNAP!

[trof]

107. Uh-oh. Pack your bags Mr. Knodell.

[keithjx]

108. That was a great exchange by Van Hollen. n/t

[IChing]

98. need a new thread......Smoking Gun just killed the white house.

[LSK]

99. this testimony is more revealing and damaging than Plames

Most of what Valery Plame said was already pretty much known and she verified it.

This is new and revealing information here.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

104. Holy sh*t this is getting good!

Take these f**kers down.

[helderheid]

109. THREAD #9 HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426714

[tinfoilinfor2005]

110. Unraveling

like a ball of yarn...

[myrna minx]

112. Van Hollen: Why aren't you investigating today? n/t

Knodell: I will take a look at this and take it back to the office. :rofl:

[Norquist Nemesis]

Looks like he's going to being one this afternoon!

"I'll review with Senior Management and get back to you." :rofl:

The guy looks terrified.

[myrna minx]

125. Why do I have visions of the movie Brazil about now.

:rofl:

[Lars39]

113. I just loved it when Knodell gave the classic Repub "I'm screwed" look!

:bounce:

[Eurobabe]

114. Chris Van Hollen D-MD8) grilling Knodell

Investigation should be done, but was NOT done. Leaker continues to be in the White House. Knodell: Yes. <squirming>

Why aren't you undertaking an investigation TODAY?? Knodell, still squirming. Will review with Senior Management when I get back to the White House.

[MiniMe]

118. Thats my congressman!

[npincus]

117. SHAZAAAM

why didn't the WH undertake an investigation?

[guitar man]

123. because they were told not to

they need to keep at him until they get it out of him!

[Hepburn]

119. Boy, is this good...

...WHY no WH investigation NOW????? And No-Tell is trying to deflect ~~ cuz there was a criminal investigation.

Next qustion to No-Tell: Is that rule written down somewhere?

WHAM!

[Spazito]

120. Wow, even the slimy republican is outraged there was no

investigation. It is obvious the repubs DID NOT KNOW there had been NO investigation, EVER, by the WH.

Wow......I don't think anyone at this hearing expected to hear there had been NO investigation, this is very BIG, imo!

[Cameron27]

121. It can be awkward?

What a BS statement.

[helderheid]

127. MODS PLEASE LOCK - NEW THREAD HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426714

[trof]

128. Folks, there IS NO "White House Office of Security".

I searched the official White House website and this 'office' does not exist.
Does c-span have the nomenclature wrong?

[trof]

131. Neither is there a "James Knodell" on WH web search.

Wha????????

[Lasher]

137. Try looking for this

Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House

That's the way Knodell is listed as a witness on the Committee website

[Wilber_Stool]

129. Our guys are really

prepared, ain't they. Poke 'em with a stick.

[myrna minx]

132. "Bush was outraged", saying "heads would roll" over the leak, but it

turns out that he didn't do anything about it.

[rodeodance]

135. jr and Hannity go hand in hand----Feining outrage!! sorrow, ect ect

[Graybeard]

136. Knodell looks like an incompetent fool.

...this guy has to be another crony, put into an important position but with no intention of him doing his job. BushCo's utter contempt for the American people and our government.

[Lasher]

138. Watson really hammered him

Boy, it must really suck to be him.

[LaurenG]

139. Locking - thread 9 link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x426714