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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:32 PM
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National polls may be tightening, but statewide, support for Obama is still rising
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 02:35 PM by bigtree
from TNR: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/18/today-s-polls-on-mccain-s-momentum-or-lack-thereof.aspx


Today's Polls: On McCain's Momentum, or Lack Thereof

John McCain has once again improved his position in the national tracking polls, having gained ground in 4 of the 5 trackers that published today (Rasmussen, which moved one point in Barack Obama's direction, was the exception). Our model now perceives that Obama has come somewhat off his peak numbers, which were realized perhaps 5-7 days ago.

At the same time, McCain's improved position in the trackers is a little bit difficult to reconcile with certain other pieces of evidence. In the Research 2000 tracking poll, for instance, while McCain has gained 5 points worth of ground in 48 hours in the topline numbers, the candidates' approval ratings over that period are completely unmoved. In the Gallup tracker, while McCain has gained ground among likely voters since the debate, he has lost ground among registered voters. Lastly, every poll conducted on the debate itself suggested that Obama won the event.

What I think we may be seeing are some improvements in Republican enthusiasm. Prior to the debate, McCain was having a very rough go of things in the media, as the only stories seemed to be the ineffectiveness of his attacks on Bill Ayers, and the nonresponsiveness of his campaign to the economy. In the polls that measured these things, there was evidence that enthusaism was very low among McCain supporters. A conservative voter, having little real message to latch on to, and seeing McCain far behind in the polls, might have been telling pollsters that he wasn't sure if he was going to bother to vote, and therefore might have been screened out by likely voter models, which all of the tracking polls are now using.

Between "Joe the Plumber", "spread the wealth", "I'm not George Bush", etc., however, McCain at least now seems to have a few somewhat more constructive talking points (in that sense, the fact that the Ayers attacks went over like a lead balloon at the debate might have done him a favor). So some of those crestfallen conservatives might have moved back into the likely voter universe.

What I don't know that McCain is doing, on the other hand, is actually persuading very many voters, and particularly not independents or registered Democrats. If that is the case, than McCain is likely to run into something of a wall very soon here, brought about the Republicans' substantial disadvantage in partisan identification. People sometimes misunderstand the nature of "momentum" in presidential campaigns. If McCain was down 8 points yesterday, and is down 6 points today, that does not mean that he is likely to be 4 points down tomorrow. On the contrary, polling in the general election seems essentially to be a random walk, with the minor stipulation that the polling has had some tendency to tighten slightly during the stretch run (as our model accounts for). That is, the polls are essentially as likely to move back toward Obama tomorrow as they are to continue to move toward McCain.

McCain's other problem is that the polls in battleground states have not really tightened at all. Obama gets good numbers today, for instance, in North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Florida. Obama presently has something like a 3:1 advantage in advertising, and most of that advertising is concentrated in battleground states. As such, this may serve as a hedge against any improvements that McCain is able to make elsewhere in the country.


read: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/18/today-s-polls-on-mccain-s-momentum-or-lack-thereof.aspx


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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:35 PM
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1. good news
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:20 PM
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14. yep
:beer:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:38 PM
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2. How about this ....... ?
McNutz is picking up sympathy support from 'real America' while Obama is gaining where it matters.

A 100% to 0% republican vote in Utah, for example, changes nothing in the national race.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:46 PM
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4. that's really
real amurikkka :):7 :D
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electionwatcher Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:44 PM
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3. Keep on fighting!
Excellent analysis from a site that I'm a big fan of. Things still look very good for Obama despite the apparent slight tightening. As Obama himself has said, now is not the time for complacency. The fight is still on. When the finish line is in sight it is unwise to slow your efforts in any way.

Still, no harm in being joyful with the current position. :D
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:48 PM
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5. a little heartening never hurts
I thinks Democrats are well used to heightened expectations and muddy outcomes by now.
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:48 PM
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6. It's Always About the Electoral
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:51 PM
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7. in that case
The models look very much better than in 2004. Plenty more places to fight and time to make a difference.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:01 PM
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8. More states are real deep blue this time around.
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 03:04 PM by roamer65
Wisconsin in 2000 and 2004 was nearly split. Not this time around. IA is the same this time around as well.

http://electoral-vote.com

Same goes for OR, PA, NH, MI, NM.

People have had enough BS and don't want *'s third term.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:15 PM
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12. Voter Enthusiasm,
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:04 PM
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9. The M$M is still trying to make this a horse race.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:08 PM
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11. yep
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:08 PM
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10. NC in play is devastating for the Rethugs.
If we win VA and NC, then the "Solid South" ideology will be done.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:17 PM
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13. GOP turnout lagging in heavy N. Carolina early voting
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 03:19 PM by bigtree
Thursday's first day of early voting drew record numbers across North Carolina, election officials said, as more than 100,000 people turned out.

That exceeded the 2004 figure by about 40 percent, said Gary Bartlett, executive director of the State Board of Elections.

Across the state, Democrats showed the most first-day enthusiasm. Of the nearly 114,000 first-day voters, 64 percent were Democrats, 21 percent Republicans and 15 percent unaffiliateds.

African American turnout was up significantly. Black voters, who make up about 22 percent of registered voters, were 36 percent of Thursday's early voters.

In 2004, blacks made up 18.6 percent of voters.

Experts estimate that Barack Obama needs a black turnout in North Carolina of between 22 percent to 23 percent to carry the state. No Democratic presidential candidate has carried North Carolina since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

read: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/54396.html
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