Seems that Joe the Plumbers Ohio drivers license may very well be invalid

[IsItJustMe]

Seems like Joe’s drivers license was suspended in Arizona.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323



Ohio state law says that you can not have an Ohio drivers license if your license has been suspended in Ohio or any other state.
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/pdf_forms/HSY-7607.pdf

I think that Joe may not have been as forthcoming as he could have been when he applied for his new Ohio drivers license when they ask you the question on the application:

Has your license been revoked or suspended in this state or any other state? Yes or NO

But then again, what do I know.

[msongs]

1. its an issue of mcCains erratic poor judgement, not about this Joe guy nt

[IsItJustMe]

2. Exactly. When you pick a poster child, you should vet them first.

[Warpy]

4. Well, he didn't even bother to vet his VP pick

so why would he bother to vet some peon he was using as a campaign prop?

He doesn't just have poor judgment. He has no judgment.

[notalemming]

3. I'm trying to think why this matter is of some importance

and having no luck. :shrug:

[5X]

5. I agree.

Why should a private citizen asking a question of a candidate
be vetted?

[IsItJustMe]

11. Because the news media no longer does it's job and the last time I checked, private citicens still

have limited freedoms of speech. and public records are there for anyone to examine.

[notalemming]

20. "limited freedoms of speech"??? You say that as if it's a good thing.

:eyes:

In any case all this obsessing over every bit of minutia in the guy's life is a sign of mental disturbance. I think he's pretty much of a dick but after all he is still a citiZen as far as I can tell, with all the rights appertaining to.

[IsItJustMe]

31. Really don't know what rights you are referring to or what your point is. If you put yourself out

there in public as he has done and is doing, be prepared to have people disagree with you. You act as if you would like to curtail my freedom to express an opinion about it all.

[notalemming]

34. Well, you know what they say about opinions. In any case, the guy was

pretty much invisible until McCant and thus the media glommed onto him. Look, this may be a little too abstract for some people but I am not defending HIM, I am defending his RIGHTS. We give freepers 97 kinds of shit when they do what we are doing here.

[LiberalHeart]

54. Who's questioning his freedom to express his opinion? We're looking at who's voicing the opinion.

[Ikonoklast]

55. He doesn't have the 'right' to drive illegally in my state.

The guy is a liar and a fraud.

And now, a criminal for lying on the document in order to get a driver's license.

[Roy]

45. It goes to McCain's judgement

He could have kept this guy out of the debate. He could have kept this guy off the stump attempting to portray him as the model citizen and an example why Obama's policies are bad. When the fact is he will benefit more from Obama's policy than many of Obama's supporters.



This guy sounds like someone McCain would appoint to his cabinet.
He should be exposed until he admits Obama is good for him, no matter who in the hell he votes for.

[FLyellowdog]

13. He wouldn't unless you intend on dragging him into a nationally televised presidential debate.

You'd think before you use the man as an example you'd at least find out a little more about him other than what he says about himself. This wouldn't be an issue of importance if McManiac hadn't made it one.

It's clear that the repugs don't care who they use as a prop...whether it's a disabled infant or an overly self-important pseudo plumber. The end justifies the means for them.

Idiots.:mad:

[tabasco]

19. Because McCain used his name TWENTY TIMES in the debate.

Your question should be directed to McCain, who made the decision to use this private citizen as a campaign prop, a caricature of the "common working man."

LMAO.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

27. Because McCain has made him the centerpiece of his campaign - sad but true.

This guy was mentioned 21 times during the debate and McCain has been bringing him up constantly. He's a hero to the right - which tells you something about the right....

[LiberalHeart]

53. He shouldn't. But once a prez candidate mentions him dozens of times, he should be looked at.

[geckosfeet]

7. Because the mcLaime campaign is holding up a lawbreaking citizen

as a prime example of the kind of person that opposes O's policies. They have deified a scofflaw.

Is that clear enough?

[notalemming]

21. Yes, the hypocrisy is perfectly clear, thank you.

:-)

[IsItJustMe]

8. The McCain campaign, with the help of the msm, has made Joe an issue. Is this guy who he says he is

or do we just accept McCains premise. Like it or not, this is what the Republicans, the msm, has been buzzing about for three days now. If you watch the msm, you will hear this guy mentioned over and over again.

[notalemming]

24. Of course, how did I miss the fact that if the M$M talks about it a lot,

it is obviously of great importance. Thank you!
:D

[uppityperson]

33. I love things like this, of so little importance that you continue to kick it, off to Search on you.

If you think it is so little importance, why continue to kick it? Search was instructive.

[notalemming]

35. Ah yes, you discovered a low post count of someone who does not march lockstep with your agenda.

Thus I am a disruptor or at the very least a republican mole. Nice going, Dick Tracy. My email address is [e-mail] I will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

[uppityperson]

44. I love things like this, of so little importance that you continue to kick it

I also love it when people complain about others using the things that DU has provided for our use. Like Search. And I love it when people then accuse others of accusing them of things. Good going sparky! Keep kicking.

[notalemming]

36. Deleted, something glitched and it posted twice.

some software issue I suppose

[Chemical Bill]

52. I'm only interested in the circumstances that suggest...

that he's a Karl Rove plant. Plus, I like to see that when people are quoted on TV they are at least correct.

Bill

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

6. The McCain campaign

is inept and grasping at straws.They can't even plant a credible trickster! :wtf:

[Dr.Phool]

9. Is he sleeping with Michelle Bachman?

Yet?

[KatyaR]

10. Okay, SERIOUSLY--

the actors from "West Wing" could have run a campaign better than this.

Who the hell does he have working for him? Do these people not have ANY campaign experience whatsoever? I thought he had top-of-the-line staffers, but apparently that's not the case.

I truly think that his staff doesn't have any control over what he says AT ALL. They spend all their time running after him and trying to clean up the messes he leaves behind. If they had control, he wouldn't be flip-flopping all over the place.

Real mavericky, I tell you what . . . .

[kestrel91316]

12. I heard yesterday, either on NPR or tv, that Joe the Plumber MAY BE

"joining the McCain campaign". As in: some sort of official capacity. So he is most certainly fair game.

[IsItJustMe]

14. Joe will be appearing on Fixed news today on Huckabee's show.

Beleive me now or later, we have not heard the last of this guy.

[FLyellowdog]

16. Next he'll be on SNL...say it ain't so, Joe.

[IsItJustMe]

17. Hell, I would not doubt for a moment that If McCain happen to win this thing, McCain would make

him the Secretary of Homeland Security or something. Seriously, we have seen how the Republicans pick cronyism over competence, over and over again for positions of power.

[FLyellowdog]

40. Well, he DOES know how to flush things out. Watch out. Bin Laden.

[SmileyRose]

25. They owe Joe the Plumber BIG TIME

They are the jerks that completely steamrolled his life. They knew mentioning him 20+ times in the debate - the media machine would kick in and give Joe a proctology exam. They didn't care.

But they won't make Joe whole. They have no soul so Joe's plight is meaningless to McCain Inc.

[yodoobo]

15. Hehe Joe will regret the day he ever opened his mouth

He's going to spend the next decade cleaning up the aftermath of what was a personal life.

Serve him right for his stupid questions and attempts to smear.

[wvbygod]

18. Don't you just hate that pesky free speech we have in America?

If we can mess up every Joe's life for speaking their mind we will really have
earned our credentials. Make sure they don't belong to our gang first tho...

[yodoobo]

22. I see your point, but the guy is a borderline criminal

Who stalked out a presidential candidate in an attempt to embarass him with what were essentially fake questions.

The 1st amendment doesn't cover stalking and intimidation.

That's well beyond the intent of the 1st amendment.

[LiberalHeart]

56. He didn't stalk Obama. Obama came to his street in Holland, OH, while campaigning.

[notalemming]

23. Clearly, we have the exclusive privilege to determine who gets to have the right of privacy.

Oh, wait, that doesn't even exist, according to the Republicans. Now I'm REALLY confused.
:silly:

[TahitiNut]

30. The "public record" is not 'private.'

:shrug: It's not called the "public record" for nothing.

[notalemming]

39. True but ganging up on someone, digging out every particle of their life making it widely available

isn't exactly the same thing as exercising a little compassion and common sense now, is it? Oh wait, I forgot...we are the party of no compassion. I keep forgetting.
(now I await the inevitable charge of being a 'freeper' whatever that is, or some other pejorative, juvenile insult)
:D

[Swamp Rat]

42. You're having fun, aren't you.

:D

[notalemming]

47. Yes, but not for anything like the reason you seem to suspect.

I'm against stupidity, hypocrisy and double standards regardless of where they originate. I'm 100% for Obama but that doesn't mean I have to join in idiotic inventions to gain points...which won't ever be gotten from the opposition anyway.

[TahitiNut]

46. One symptom of a flawed stance is the resort to hyperbole, half-truths, and conjecture.

I have not seen any evidence whatsoever of "digging out every particle" of the 'life' of Joe the (non-)plumber. What I HAVE seen is some fact-checking of the claims of Joe and the McCain campaign ... most notably beginning with the claim of him being a plumber. There's absolutely NOTHING untowards or intrusive to discover that the very claim of being a "plumber" is itself a LIE. Joe is NOT a plumber. Claiming to be a professional in any area that requires a license or certification and LYING about it is called FRAUD. I don't care if it's lying about being a doctor, a lawyer, a veteran, a plumber, an electrician, or a barber ... those vocations REQUIRE licensing and training. Joe DOES NOT have either. Joe is a liar.

The McCain campaign claim that Obama went to Joe's home and knocked on his door is another LIE. Obama was canvassing the neighborhood and Joe approached Obama, not the other way around. Nobody forced Joe to come out of his home and walk down the street to confront Obama ... except maybe Joe's arrogance (and a compulsion?) seeing the CAMERAS and NEWS MEDIA. (Joe seems to think highly of himself ... and seems to LIKE the media attention. He's EAGERLY SOUGHT that attention!)

Joe's divorces are a matter of public record. Joe's suspended driver's license is a matter of public record. Joe's tax evasion is a matter of public record. ALL of which got to the point of court proceedings. There's virtually no effort whatsoever involved in 'digging' up anyting ... since such records are deliberately made available to the PUBLIC.

There's an old saying: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Joe is a fool and a liar and a law-breaker. It's a matter of public record. Fuck him.

[notalemming]

48. No, you fuck him...he's not even close to my type.

...

[Rancid Crabtree]

49. Well, you have that Edmund Burke thingy at the bottom and...

...your post threw me off my feed, at least the first part...haven't got a clue past the first paragraph...but this licensing thing real torques me off...probably because between 1890 and 1920, thereabouts, a host of licensing acts made their way through Congress, due, in part, to all those swarthy Europeans coming across the pond, land of the free, home of the brave, and all that malarkey...give me your tired, your poor, that nonsense...so they came and the people here and established saw it as a threat and pushed their congress critters to pass obstacles for the new heathens to overcome, before they could be as free and steadfast as those already here...

now, there's nothing wrong with licensing, other than it empowers government bureaucrats, unelected at that, to fudge with your life and John Q Public is more than willing to oblige, even more so, if JQP is a "licensed" critter who'd like to keep the competition down...Joe Blow may have very well worked in the plumbing field for umpteen years, and as such, he feels qualified to make the statement that he is indeed, a plumber...I believe he said his boss is licensed...the next time you pass by a job site and you see the teeming masses, ask yourself how many of them are "licensed". There may actually be a few on the job, but more than likely, the boss is licensed, he's the one responsible if something breaks, etc. I took him at his word, that he is a plumber. I don't see why he'd lie about something like that...it's not like he was bragging, you think?

Anyway, look on the bright side...there's likely more than a dozen folk who will be writing in Joe the Plumber on their ballot, probably that Mr. Clean image he has...and the end result will be such that all talk of voter fraud will be moot.

[TahitiNut]

51. There is no substitute for people participating in our OWN governance.

The rhetorical immutability of "government as 'other'" is used to apologize a host of insane stances these days. The lessons of 1776 seem lost on many. There WILL be government of one kind or another ... no matter what. The ONLY approach that has any hope of working is that the government of a free people INVOLVES people ... that we PARTICIPATE in our own self-governance. It's not 'American Idol' - some spectator sport or entertainment - in which we phone in our biannual or quadrennial opinions and then submit to some tyranny of the folks who bother to show up. Democracy is a Do-It-Yourself proposition and only the autocrats want to seduce folks into thinking it's "For Hire."

[LiberalHeart]

57. Clearly we need a petition to unlicense plumbers. Training is so over-rated.

[TahitiNut]

29. Free Speech is every person's right to make an ass of themselves in public ....

... and the right of every other person to SAY SO. :shrug: It's NOT a "one-way" street.

[notalemming]

38. No doubt. Were it not so, DU would not exist!

:D

[Swamp Rat]

41. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[LiberalHeart]

58. Nor would posts like yours.

[dansolo]

50. We aren't messing up Joe's life

It is not our fault that he tried to ambush Obama with a made up scenario, and then agreed to let the McCain campaign use him as a propaganda prop. If his life falls apart because the truth about him is revealed, he has only himself to blame.

[WolverineDG]

26. Joe the Plumber is like a pregnant cat

the gift that keeps on giving. :crazy:

dg

[Rancid Crabtree]

28. there'll be another initial soon...

...A...T...F...E...and now P, for pipe wrenches...I'm blue collar and I find it disturbing that Joe the Plumber is receiving the kind of attention he is getting...I've been out of the loop for a bit...have to work, don't ya know...but other than being the star of the debate the other day, what else has he done to receive the scrutiny that he has received?...kinda hard to get excited about the NSA eavesdropping on conversations when some Joe the plumber gets the kind of media attention best reserved for those who allege to represent us...

[yorgatron]

32. so,the press in this country finally does some real investigative reporting,

and they end up tearing apart some schlub that doesn't really fucking know any better.

i have serious doubts about this "plant" stuff everybody keeps spouting,at most he got a call from his cousin who said "hey! Obama's in your neighborhood,why don't you run over there and give'em hell?"

[varelse]

37. Is there anything valid about this guy?

:shrug:

[jeff30997]

43. Some peoples say...

That he's not even a guy. :)