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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:47 PM
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Guardian UK: The torture time bomb
The torture time bomb
The Bush administration's approval of the abuse of detainees is a toxic legacy for the next US president

Philippe Sands
The Guardian, Saturday October 18 2008



As the US presidential election reaches a climax against the background of the financial crisis, another silent, dark, time bomb of an issue hangs over the two candidates: torture. For now, there seems to be a shared desire not to delve too deeply into the circumstances in which the Bush administration allowed the US military and the CIA to embrace abusive techniques of interrogation - including waterboarding, in the case of the CIA - which violate the Geneva conventions and the 1984 UN torture convention.

The torture issue's cancerous consequences go deep, and will cause headaches for the next president. New evidence has emerged in Congressional inquiries that throw more light on the extent to which early knowledge and approval of the abuse went to the highest levels. What does a country do when compelling evidence shows its leaders have authorised international crimes?

For three years I have followed a trail which leads unambiguously to the conclusion that the real bad eggs were not Lyndie England or others on the ground in Abu Ghraib, but the most senior officials in the White House, the Pentagon and the department of justice. Over recent months, Congress has been looking into the role of senior officials involved in the development of interrogation rules. These have attracted relatively scant attention; little by little, however, senators and congressmen have uncovered the outlines of a potentially far-reaching criminal conspiracy.

The first hearings were convened before the judiciary committee of the House of Representatives, at the instance of its chairman, Congressman John Conyers, apparently off the back of my book Torture Team. Parallel hearings have been held before the Senate armed services committee.

The evidence that has emerged is potentially devastating. It confirms, for instance, that the search for new interrogation techniques for use at Guantánamo began not with the local military but in the offices of Donald Rumsfeld and his chief lawyer, Jim Haynes. It shows that when the career military expressed objections on legal grounds, Haynes intervened to stop the normal process of review. And it shows a previously unknown interplay between the department of defence and the CIA: a visit to Guantánamo in September 2002 by the administration's most senior lawyers was followed days later by a senior CIA lawyer, to brief on the new techniques. "If someone dies while aggressive techniques are being used," he explained, "the backlash of attention would be severely detrimental." .....(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/18/renditon-usa-georgebush




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:49 PM
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1. Sands warned Congress to do their job or the international community would do it for them
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 09:54 PM by seemslikeadream
But if the US doesn't get its own house in order and restore its reputation for the rule of law, others will surely step in.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:05 AM
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:57 AM
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9. It's a perfectly legitimate signal for serious distress
If you don't think that's where we're at now, why are you on this board.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:44 AM
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10. To the asshole with shit for brains...
get a clue.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 05:51 AM
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11. Fuck that.
I flew the flag upside down at my last house. Come and shoot me freeper.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:01 AM
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12. Every flag in the US should be turned upside down
considering the treasonous actions of its leaders over the past several years and until those who attempted to destroy this country by taking it into an illegal war based on lies, and made torture a policy, not to mention the destruction of the economy, the corruption of all branches of the government, those flags should stay that way. This country is in distress thanks to the Republican party and those who foolishly kept them in office.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:05 AM
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13. Sure you would. You, your keyboard and your mouse. Real gunslingers all.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:57 PM
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2. It most certainly is NOT "abuse".
It is TORTURE.

No parsing, no shades of gray.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:57 PM
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3. If I were any part of The Torture Team I'd be
seeking legal counsel. I'm sure they have and I'm pretty sure it worries them.:thumbsup:
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:15 PM
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4. Good article
Thanks for posting. In the comments I love, 'Melting away like Cheney, to spend more time with his shredder.'

Another thing mentioned in the comments is a blanket pardon. Is this really possible? To be pardoned for crimes that may have happened in the past but not yet been prosecuted?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:52 PM
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5. Ford pardoned Nixon
In advance of any formal charges.

And Bush 41 preemptively pardoned Cap the knife Weinberger before the trial began.

And let's not forget that Obama voted for telco immunity, a form of preemptive pardon.

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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:23 AM
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15. IIRC, the US President can only pardon federal crimes,
Not state-level crimes, and certainly not international crimes, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 01:53 AM
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6. To the Hague with them. K&R -nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 04:01 AM
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7. K&R
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:29 AM
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14. K & R
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:52 AM
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16. Proof in documentary "Torturing Democracy"
Sherry Jones documentary aired in NYC, DC and a only a few other markets last night because PBS would not give it a nationwide time slot.

It lays out evidence in grisly detail that proves beyond all doubt that authorization came from the highest offices in the White House.

The documentary can be viewed online and I STRONGLY urge everyone to view it.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/torturingdemocracy/program/

:kick:
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