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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:08 AM
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WTF? Trickle down economics.... again?!?
Just heard Rick Newman, chief business correspondent U.S. News & World Report, on MSNBC say the best idea anybody's come up with so far is to "deal with the banks, it will trickle down to the consumers."

How many times must we go through this shit?

It didn't work in the 80's and it isn't going to work now.

I think I'll scream if I hear the words "trickle down" one more time.

:rant:

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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:09 AM
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1. Trickle down (aka supply side) economics is a failed theory
Why we've ridden that doomed train all these years is beyond me.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:12 AM
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2. I just don't understand why we repeat the same mistakes over & over again
It's so frustrating.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:15 AM
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3. Because so many worship Reagan, and supply side was a huge part of his philosophy
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:16 AM
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4. Like Heroin addicts it will take them a long time to kick this destructive habit
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:17 AM
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5. Greed is probably a stronger addiction than even heroin
:-(
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:26 AM
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9. I agree, the pervasive attitude among CEOs seems to be contempt for us.
You just have to look at AIG's actions after they were bailed out by taxpayer money.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:28 AM
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15. The thing is that we should be treating them like the Addicts they are
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 10:29 AM by Phred42
and we are not.

They are deranged and dangerous - we need to recognize, and act on, THAT.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:21 AM
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6. The story about the most expensive Super Bowl in history is a good example
What used to be the people's sports have now become for the elite and well to do. $1000.00 a ticket is not what the average "Joe the Plumber" can afford. There is no trickle down for him..He is being cut out of all the things designed for him because of the accumulation of wealth at the top. Prices at events like this are geared toward where the money is and it ain't with "Joe the Plumber"
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:25 AM
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8. We are indeed becoming like other countries
I feel, often, like we are witnessing the disappearance of the middle class... right before our eyes.
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:30 AM
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17. You can't buy a ticket for $1000 though
We really wanted to get tickets for the SB in Phoenix last year. The only way to get one is to buy part of a "package" for around five grand.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:21 AM
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7. Trickle down used to be refered to as "Horse and Sparrow" in the 19th & early 20th century.
The idea being that if you fed enough oats to the horse, some would make it through to feed the sparrows.

In other words, they get the oats, and we can eat the left-over shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle_down_economics

The ideas derided as "trickle-down economics" are often seen as a major rhetorical variant of "what's good for business and the rich is good for the country." In this form they have been ridiculed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt as "toryism." The economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted that "trickle-down economics" had been tried before in the United States in the 1890s under the name "horse and sparrow theory." He wrote, "Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the horse-and-sparrow theory: If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows." Galbraith claimed that the horse and sparrow theory was partly to blame for the Panic of 1896.<19>
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:27 AM
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11. "Eat the left-over shit."
How appropriate.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:27 AM
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10. At my age the only thing that trickles down
is the pee going down my legs.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:28 AM
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12. lol!
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that! :D
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:28 AM
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13. Prosperity just "trickles" down, but
when it's Pain, it pours.



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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:50 AM
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19. I know what you mean about the pouring
:hi:
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:28 AM
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14. What do you mean *again*? We never left it, did we?
Clinton might have paused it a bit in the nineties, but piss-on-you economics has been with us since Saint Ronny ushered it in.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:50 AM
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20. You know..
sometimes I feel like the Clinton years were simply a pause, too. sigh.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:29 AM
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16. I am tired of being Trickled on.
The wealthy get rich and the poor get poorer.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:51 AM
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21. I'm tired of it too. nt
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:58 AM
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18. This One Is Not Trickle Down Economics
It's stating the obvious that an economy which loses its credit market cannot survive.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:53 AM
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22. Talked with a woman who was 83 the other day...
she remembered he mother handing out food to people in the streets who were begging for it. She was truly frightened it is happening again.

:scared:
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:17 PM
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23. If the Banks are Partly Nationalized
pumping money into the banks is not giving to the rich, it's supporting public-private credit sector.

A small part of the upper class has profited from the current crisis, but the majority has taken a big hit on stocks, real estate, bonuses, and other forms of income and wealth. (That's fine with me.)

It's the small businesspeople and everyday employee who need the credit market to keep out of bankruptcy or poverty.
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