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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:51 AM
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AlterNet: 5 Pieces of Advice for the New Paupers
5 Pieces of Advice for the New Paupers

By John Dolan, AlterNet. Posted October 15, 2008.

I just went through the hell of going from grad school-level poverty to the real thing. Here are my lessons learned.




Little did I know that when I lost everything last year, I was doing research. At the time I thought it was just stupidity or bad luck or both. But now that the economy's crashing, it turns out I've been out there gathering valuable tips for millions of new paupers. And let me clarify, I'm talking real poverty. My wife and I fell through many layers of poverty in a few months. First we revisited the genteel poverty known to grad students, the sort of poverty where you have scary dreams about the rent and eat a simple, wholesome diet toward the end of the month. But we fell right through that into the sort of Dickensian privation that spoiled first-worlders like me never expected to experience. That's the kind of poverty a lot of people are going to be experiencing soon -- and I'm here to tell you, it can happen here and it can happen to you. And it's remarkably unpleasant. You may be saying "Duh!" here, but you're probably not imagining the proper sort of unpleasantness. So I'll try to lay out what to watch for, how to hunker down when it's not just a matter of cutting back or selling your second car but having no car at all, having no money for heat or food.

All the things we learned are going to seem pretty obvious, but remember that it's very hard to think clearly when your life has collapsed. These are what they call the old verities, the truths of life before the middle class was (briefly) in session:

Warmth

Above all, you need to have a dry, warm place to sleep. We had only an unheated boat, and that was not enough. We woke up to the thump of sea ice banging against the hull and realized that the old world was still very much in session. When we finally fled to stay with family, we stayed in our blankets up against their gas fireplace for weeks. You won't even want food much after a while. You'll want heat itself, not the chemical middleman. You are going to realize that cold is the most frightening thing in the world. In older English dialects, "to starve" meant "to freeze." You will see why.

Car

Got one? Maybe you should sell it. Cars drain the last dollars out of you. And there's something worse: Cops can smell desperation, and they hate the poor. I didn't hate cops as much before, except drug cops, but God, I hate them now. The real purpose of cops is to keep poor people off the roads. That's their only real goal. On my way to an interview for a job that could have gotten us out of the gutter, a cop stopped me because my insurance was two weeks overdue -- for the simple reason that we didn't have money to pay it. She gave me a $600 ticket for that, plus $120 for not having an updated address on my driver's license. Then she called for a tow truck and told me, "So, a lesson learned here today!" as I watched my car get towed away and trudged off with our terrified dog down a typical Western suburban road: four lanes of fast traffic with no sidewalks. Are you poor? The cops are your enemy now. Accept it. The car is how they'll try to get you. Sell it if you can -- which is to say, if there's any decent public transportation -- hah! -- where you live. ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/story/102992/5_pieces_of_advice_for_the_new_paupers



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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:48 AM
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1. 4 Recs Kick.......
:kick:


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:53 AM
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2. K&R
Excellent post.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:18 AM
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3. Clip and save -- you may need it
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:20 AM
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4. DWP
I've always maintained that some (but not all) of DWB (Driving While Black) is Driving While Poor

My lily-white S.O. got sucked into that vortex where he couldn't get his license renewed because he kept getting tickets for driving without a valid license. He was lucky he could do something most people in his situation cannot do - he called his best friend from college, who was a lawyer, and they went to court to get his record cleared.

Police aren't stupid - they know that they are MUCH more likely to be able to write a coffer-filling ticket if they pull over a beater vs. pulling over a new BMW. It's all about the benjamins....
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:35 AM
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5. great, real piece of advice. Let's hope we don't reach that point.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:36 AM
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6. I rented a DVD titled "Stuck" last night
Part of the story was about an older white guy slipping from joblessness to homelessness. You could see how easily and quickly it can happen.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:42 AM
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7. This is what republiconomics hath wrought...
k and r
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:46 AM
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8. One thing the author says makes the point...

...I was trying to when we were having discussions about faith-based initiatives:

"These places, usually in the basement of a church (because churches are the only public institutions in the new suburbs of western North America)...."


--

My point was that in many places, there are no "public" organizations or places to offer aid. The church is the only place many people have to go to.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:46 AM
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9. Yikes! n/t
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:54 AM
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10. Another tip.
Don't be mean or ignore that homeless guy or gal you see every day at the bus stop. If you become homeless that person could be the one to teach you the ropes on how to stay alive on the streets. I have a couple of homeless buddies that I talk to. They do have interesting stories and I consider them my lifeline if something drastic happens to me.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:35 AM
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11. I remember all this stuff all too well from the late 80's
Even if you can manage to get back into society somehow (and it's damned hard to do so), you will never forget being 'completely-fucked poor'. Ever.


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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:31 AM
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12. Very well written nt
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:01 PM
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13. read it - it can happen to you


think about it and plan 'as if'. we prepare for storms which can help in preparing for being 'newly poor'.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:35 PM
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14. wow -- everyone needs to read this. here's the part that kills:
You change completely, more than you realize, to the point that even if you get a break you can't grab it. After months of applying for teaching jobs without even getting answers, the perfect job opened up for me at a local college. It was half creative writing, half teaching literature and composition -- all my specialties. But when the interview started I realized I was no longer someone who could talk the quiet, polite, oblique version of self-promotion demanded by academic hiring committees. I was too deeply, permanently spooked by our condition. I was just plain wrong, unhireably wrong in every way. No hot water on the boat, and I needed to shave the graying wisps of hair on my big bald head, so I'd shaved in the McDonald's men's room on the way to the interview, with a cheap Bic shaver. You can guess the results: I looked like a bobcat had tried to roost on my scalp and been evicted after a violent struggle. The used sport coat we'd spent our last $20 of Visa credit on at Value Village didn't seem to fit nearly so well once I was inside that humming, immaculate classroom where the interview was held. And I had become a louder, more desperate, excessive person. When I tried to sound positive, it came out furious. When they asked me, as I'd known they would, why someone who'd taught at bigger universities wanted to come to this small rural campus, I said truthfully, "I'd rather teach here in the forest than at Stanford." It didn't come out enthusiastic; it came out strident. After months of being a bum, I was the wrong volume, the wrong temperature. I could feel the job slipping away, and in fact they hired a local guy who was friends with the director, even though my resume kicked his resume's ass.

You'll find that if you want to get back into that quiet, odor-free, polite world, you're going to have to decompress for a few months. What happened to us is that we fled, found a basement apartment on borrowed money, and stayed there, keeping the heat on high for months. Then we were ready to try again for a job.


been there. done that.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:36 PM
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15. hmmm
Scary how close that quote you added comes to discribing me.



"You change completely, more than you realize, to the point that even if you get a break you can't grab it.

I had become a louder, more desperate, excessive person. When I tried to sound positive, it came out furious. When they asked me, as I'd known they would, why someone who'd taught at bigger universities wanted to come to this small rural campus, I said truthfully, "I'd rather teach here in the forest than at Stanford." It didn't come out enthusiastic; it came out strident. After months of being a bum, I was the wrong volume, the wrong temperature."

Oh and yeah heat is on my mind these days.Hope the oil drops more
Maybe I'll get enough to last at least until the end of feburary.
Godammit I wish this house had fireplaces/stoves. I got wood, plenty.

Maybe I am as I am because for most of my life,poor.Probably about to get MORE poor.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:44 PM
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16. I hope you guy's get out of this
together and sane. I wish you the best! This country does HATE the poor. I also believe you when you say cops hate the poor. I feel like I see it about once a week.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:10 PM
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17. cops
hate the poor,hate punks,goths & freaks,Hate younger people,Hate the homeless,hate blacks/brown skinned people(certain cops)..Non Christians..Cops can be a bigoted bunch.

you asked: why do so many people hate the police? I think the answer is staring us in the face, especially when it is cops who are doing the staring. I think a lot of people hate the police because the police hate us first.”
http://www.insurgentamerican.net/2007/05/28/why-people-hate-cops/

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:36 PM
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19. So brutal, and so true.
"You change completely, more than you realize, to the point that even if you get a break you can't grab it.

I had become a louder, more desperate, excessive person. When I tried to sound positive, it came out furious. When they asked me, as I'd known they would, why someone who'd taught at bigger universities wanted to come to this small rural campus, I said truthfully, "I'd rather teach here in the forest than at Stanford." It didn't come out enthusiastic; it came out strident. After months of being a bum, I was the wrong volume, the wrong temperature."


I've been there. More than once, in fact.
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:57 AM
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18. Two pieces of advice:
Get mad as hell and refuse to take it any more.
Get a gun. You will need it.

The only way that you will get your dignity, your money or anything else back is to get ready to take it back from the thieves who have stolen it from you.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:17 PM
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20. Thanks for posting that
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 11:21 PM by bhikkhu
So many things come to mind...

I recall the news in the 70's when unemployment was in the news, where , say, 100 jobs were opening up in some town or other and 3000 people would show up from all over the country to apply - poor men traveling to try for a job, hoping to be able to send money back home. They'd show footage of the long sad lines on the evening news. As I have been mulling over the idea of leaving my family here where we have friends, a house and a small business, and setting out to try to find a better paying job (somewhere warmer) to keep up with bills.

One of my first jobs was a 7-11 clerk in Santa Cruz which had a big population of homeless. I always figured they were some of the smartest: if you have no home, why not live somewhere beautiful and generally warm? I always gave them a break on things like filling up their coffees, heating things up in the microwave, or just coming in to talk for a bit.

I have 4 cars myself, only one running reasonably. Currently I find it most economical to commute and shop by bicycle. It is curious how nice everyone is, even police. I think it is that any reasonably appointed bicyclist these days is still more likely to be a doctor, lawyer or young professional with $ and time to spare than a guy who can't afford to buy gas anymore. Homeless people regularly use the bike trails around town, unkempt, packing their tattered belongings in tattered bundles; I always give them a smile and nod. What a thin line separates us...

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:50 PM
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21. So damned true about cops.
All these whitebread people losing their homes just don't know. I hate to think how hard it'll hit them the first time they run up against it.
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