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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:23 AM
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Some think doll says "Islam is the light" - oy vey
"Army wife Johanna Kula of Fort Bragg thinks toy-maker Mattel should recall or re-label a doll which she thinks promotes Islam.

The baby-doll turns its head, wiggles its arms and makes baby talk. A part of one of the three baby talk recordings sometimes sounds like a real sentence: Islam is the light.

...It bothered her to hear the phrase at Fayetteville’s Target store because “we have lost many good friends out there, fighting."


Article and video of doll, to hear for yourself, here:

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307340


The neocons have succeeded (which wasn't hard with the thumper/racist/bigot crowd) in demonizing the entire religion of Islam versus Islamic fundamentalists. Plus, some people obviously have too much time on their hands.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:29 AM
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1. So, when was the last time she saw Mary's face in a grilled cheese sandwich?
This is just sooooooo pathetic....
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:53 AM
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18. Ye of Little Faith are hereby condemned to the Jesus & Mary Pancake Diet
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:54 AM
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19. LOLOL!!!!
:spray:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:29 AM
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2. Audio Pareidolia: Speech perception without traditional speech cues
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 11:30 AM by IanDB1
When People Talk Backwards

Skeptoid #105
June 17, 2008
Podcast transcript

Listen: http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4105.mp3
Subscribe: http://skeptoid.com/subscribe.php


<snip>

This phenomenon is called pareidolia, which we talked about not too long ago when we discussed the face on Mars. Pareidolia is the perceptual phenomenon by which we perceive familiar patterns in disorder. It is the brain's incredible computing power that lets us recognize people, understand language, and read handwriting. For the brain to have this capability, it necessarily results in the ability to perceive patterns where none in fact exists. Most of us can say "Hey, that tree bark looks like Ernest Borgnine," without actually concluding that Ernest Borgnine has somehow become a tree. Our intelligence allows us to not make that mistake. But sometimes a horse might see a garden hose on the ground; its pareidolia tells it that it's a snake, but it lacks sufficient intelligence to overcome the instinctive recognition. I'm not saying that reverse speech believers lack intelligence, only that they lack critical thinking skills; because there is a genuine gray area where it's hard to tell if a pattern is accidental or deliberate. But speech is a deliberate speaking action, so the reverse speech advocates do have a point they can make. It's not an accident of nature like the tree bark, speech is the deliberate result of a speaker's brain communicating. What the reverse speech advocates are missing is that the well-known, well-understood, and well-evidenced phenomenon of pareidolia is a much more reasonable, simple, and probable explanation for why we can often perceive patterns in meaningless noise, in this case reverse speech.

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Recordings of alleged ghost voices, usually called Electronic Voice Phenomena, fall into three categories: First, hoaxes; second, undetermined; and third and most commonly, audio pareidoliac cases of mistaken identification. You hear some random anomalous sound on the tape, and your brain does its best to make sense of it, often turning it into speech. If the words that the ghost hunters claim are spoken are at all indistinct or ambiguous, there is a very probable explanation for them that's not "a ghost". You're hearing some sound, and unless you were present throughout the tape's entire history (which you probably weren't), it's some sound of unknown origin that, to your brain, sounds vaguely like speech, and isn't it interesting that it's always in the ghost hunter's own language and dialect? Here's a really good illustration of that. Listen to this song, it sounds like it's from India but really I have no idea. I won't even remotely guess what language it's in, I don't speak it and it's meaningless to my brain; but to me, it sounds quite clearly like someone saying:

My lurid barn is fine, Benny Lava... (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_1.mp3

Minor bun engine made Benny Lava... (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_2.mp3

Anybody need this sign, Benny Lava? (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_3.mp3

In mirror one, divine Benny Lava... (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_4.mp3

I could be high today... (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_5.mp3

I see the nuns are gay... (play sample) http://media.libsyn.com/media/skeptoid/rs_Benny_Lava_6.mp3

The words I heard are a little different from what someone else heard, as you can see from this subtitled video posted to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

YouTube is full of similar examples (here's another good one that's too racy for Skeptoid).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUGGy9RVrM

The human brain is hardwired to hear its own language in otherwise meaningless noise. If it wasn't, you'd never be able to recognize your own name when someone calls out to you in a noisy room full of people.

Whether that noise is human speech played backwards, music played backwards, traffic sounds, random noises in a graveyard or haunted house, or the musings of the great Indian poet Benny Lava, your human brain will process it and find intelligible speech. It's the way your brain works, it's not evidence of ghosts, Satanic messages, and certainly not of something as childish as reverse speech.

More:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4105

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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:33 AM
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6. I love Benny Lava!
:rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:36 AM
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7. I just watched the Benny Lava video for the first time just now... OMFG! Can't stop laughing!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:49 AM
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9. Ooh! ooh! The Indian Nipple Song!
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:58 AM
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11. "it lacks sufficient intelligence to overcome the instinctive recognition"
the real problem with the right....
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:30 AM
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3. people.are.fucking.dumb.
:banghead:

You know what I heard? A bunch of baby babble that only sounded like "Islam is the light" because someone said that's what it sounded like. It reminds me of the backward masking hysteria back in the 80's.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:32 AM
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4. Some people have too much time on their hands.
And too much bias in their ears.

And not enough inside their heads.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:01 PM
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12. I agree. My lurid barn is fine, Benny Lava. n/t
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:33 AM
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5. She might be related to the same ones that claim that if you play Black Sabbeth
records backwards at 78 rpms while doing acid and coke, you get messages from the devil? People hear and see what they want to, like the idiots that stood under an over pass while others built a shrine because of a water stain they claimed was the image of Christ or the virgin Mary, which I find odd as there were no pictures or paintings of either until hundreds of years after their deaths.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:38 AM
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8. Playing any records backwards at 78 rpms while doing acid and coke
Will cause you to hear the devil. Probably see him too.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:50 AM
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10. Some people don't need coke or acid to hear and see things though, I mean seeing
faces, the devil and all other crap they see seems to come naturally to them. I don't know, I see a cloud it looks like cotton balls. Same way with tree bark and stains, I see no shapes or pictures I just see the bark or the stain. I also have problems with ink blot tests which really pisses off those who use them to shrink your head. One threw me out of his office when I said it looked like someone spilled ink on his paper and did he expect me to clean up his messy papers.

I am the same way with sounds, creaking houses sound like creaking of the house settling, wind whipping through trees sound like wind. Records played backwards don't sound like words but gibberish, but some great guitar rifts come out. In a crowded room if someone yells my name I don't hear it either, I guess it has to do with me ignoring background noise, and my ego tells me there might be more then 1 person in the room that shares my name.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:32 PM
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13. A baby doll that said "Kill Mommy" was taken off the shelves maybe 20 years ago --
it was intended for children in Portugal or Italy or somewhere and was actually saying, "I love Mommy" in that language. People are nuts.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:46 PM
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14. This one is more fun than the baby doll - it's a talking cat!
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:48 PM
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15. With all of my heart, I love that!
"oh don piano" has gotten into my vocabulary... :-)
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:02 AM
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16. All the live long day
I can't get that out of my head!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:09 AM
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17. My friend's mom had a cat that would sing along with "Hang Down Your Head Tom Dooley"
It was pretty cool, actually.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:55 AM
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20. I saw an interview with her on the news this morning
She is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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