GRRR...my Fox-watching father just got my blood boiling. Told me the economic mess is all the Dems..

[Beaverhausen]

...fault.

He told me "don't count on Obama winning. There are lots of surprises that are gonna come out soon." I said what, that Obama is a terrorist?

He told me Obama got $90 Million from his friend at Fannie Mae and that was when he told me the economic mess is all the fault of the democrats. I started yelling asking how it could be when the repubs have been in power the last 12 years.

That is when he hung up on me.

I need a hug.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Consider yourself hugged ...

:hug:

[Beaverhausen]

4. thanks, Nance

I wonder how I could be his daughter. He is so brainwashed.

[Mz Pip]

2. Ask your dad

what bills sponsored by Democrats that Bush signed into law caused this. That's how things work. The very fact that Democrats exist and control Congress isn't enough. They actually have to do something that would have had to have been approved by Bush to actaully make his allegation viable.

[Beaverhausen]

5. I was trying to but that was when he hung up

I didn't even want to talk politics with him. I called to ask him about the Phillies game.

The call was almost over then he started in with "...Obama not winning..." :mad:

[busymom]

hug...my dad

and I used to be the same way. I have gotten to a point where I just don't talk politics with him or if I do, I just listen and say mmhmmmmm....

I'm never going to change his mind...and trying to just raises my blood pressure.

Try to let it roll off your back...I know it's hard.

[Beaverhausen]

8. I usually don't but he is the one who brought it up.

We live on opposite coasts...he is 83. I wish we didn't always fight about this.

[Roland99]

3. Ask your Dad for one hour of his time. Send him the link from here >>>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4226064

[Beaverhausen]

10. I will try but if it comes from me I doubt he'll watch.

thanks though. I'll let you know what happens.

[Roland99]

18. It's just audio..perhaps burn a CD and slip it into his car radio.

:)

[iamjoy]

6. Here...

:hug:

You must stay calm and point out the truth. Sometimes it helps me to concede a tiny point in order to make a larger one.

"Yeah, there were definitely some problems with Fannie and Freddie, the Community Reinvestment Act, too. Well, you know what they say about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. Anyway, Fannie and Freddie were such a small percentage of the bad debts. The real problem was things like Credit Default Swaps, where good and bad mortgages were bundled together and the financial institutions didn't know exactly what they were buying. PLUS, companies that provided insurance to financial institutions for bad debts didn't have the assets on hand to meet their obligations."

"The Republicans have had the White House the past 8 years and Congress for most of the last fourteen. If they knew something was wrong and couldn't get legislation past the Democrats in Congress, what does that say about their leadership skills?"

[Beaverhausen]

12. wow. that's good stuff

thanks. :hi:

[OneGrassRoot]

27. Nice. :) n/t

[xxqqqzme]

7. Your dad sounds like my dad.

He thinks Obama is a muslim! He believed that fixed news crap about the school in Indonesia? I don't even remember anymore. There was abso-fucking-lutely no way to reason w/ him. No facts need be spoken. It doesn't matter. He hear it on fixed news so it must be true.

[Beaverhausen]

16. Oh yeah- I'm sure he believes all that crap

Fox is all they watch. I'm sure it pissed them off when I emailed the picture of me and Keith O last summer.

[lonestarnot]

9. Poor thing.

"That thing got my blood a boil'n." :hug:

[blue sky at night]

11. ask him how he is feeling on..

november 5th.

I would not talk to him AT ALL........



because at this point I am just saying "FUCK YOU" TO THEM. I AIN'T ARGUING, I AIN'T DISCUSSING, IT'S OVER.....IT IS JUST FUCK YOU.

[YOY]

13. I converted my father. (Fiscal conservative.)

Sorry about yours.

Begging pardon but he sounds like a true idiot.

Big hug regardless. I got one in my family. A cousin beyond beleif.

[Frances]

14. You have my sympathy

I never talk Dem/Repub with my Repub brother, but Bush's request for $700 billion came when I was visiting him. We had a fairly good conversation just about what should be done to keep his 401K safe one night. But he turned on Fox the next morning before I got up and then it was as though he had turned his brain off. He just spouted right wing talking points.

I just tell myself that he needs a Dem in power every bit as much as I do. He needs medicare and he needs protection for his pension and he needs for people to be able to buy the empty condos in his condo building.

Some people just have to learn the hard way. And some people never learn. I don't know why I am so much more open to logical thought than he is, but he's still my brother. Just my closed-minded brother.

[abelenkpe]

15. A big hug from me

I know exactly how you feel, my parents are the same. Between politics, religion and opinions on how to raise the kids we simply don't talk at all anymore. If I could take my kids to visit and not hear 'the poor/minorities/immigrants/liberals' are evil and should be done away with just once it might be different. Of course the smoking and home filled with guns also makes visiting them a hazard to young children, but by even thinking such things I am considered a leftist fool and showered with hate talk.
So don't be blue....it could be worse :o)

[Super62]

17. You don't need a hug....

You need a smarter father.

[ferrferr]

19. *hugs* My mom is a closet Repub. *gags*

[KingOfLostSouls]

20. take a life insurance policy out on him

disown him, then push him down the stairs



works like a charm }(

[azurnoir]

21. A hug

but next time question him or "play" him if you will; ask when will this come out to the public? (the 90 mil) where did he hear this? what was it used for? why has it been held back? have the proper authorities been notified? and oh yeah did the info come from the Freddie Mac guy working for McCain? you get the idea, sometimes messing with people like that can be the only way of dealing.

[ColbertWatcher]

22. dupe

[ColbertWatcher]

23. Always remember whenever a GOP comes up with a new lie ...

... ask them to prove their claim.

Always.

They never can, because their claims are never based on anything reliable.

[riderinthestorm]

24. I cut my mom off with "you are a low information voter and I refuse to discuss this with you until

you get educated".

This just happened last week. I got this handy phrase at DU and it worked! I calmly told her that she was a LIV and until she got educated I refused to talk about the propaganda she was getting from Faux.

Of course, she sputtered that she read the Chicago Tribune every day!!11!!! (a notorious right wing rag).

I replied that she was proving my point by only feeding at the propaganda trough.
She was outraged and speechless. Actually hung up on me but I felt so good. I didn't have to try to argue with her. I never raised my voice. I got my point across and when we spoke last night - briefly with the politest niceties - there wasn't any baiting or politics or tension (at least on my end). I'm not sure how long this will last but perhaps I planted a seed. She has never listened to a single point I've ever made, never read anything I've provided her, mocked Democrats relentlessly. Honestly, I have been close to permanently walking away from her because of her hideous behavior but never felt comfortable abandoning my mother.

[ReadTomPaine]

25. ..

:hug:

[Enthusiast]

26. I'm sorry you have exchanged angry words

with your father. It's unfortunate that he is a victim of this pervasive right wing propaganda.

These bad people have divided families and friends with their hateful rhetoric. My life long friend and I no longer speak. The only reason, as I see it, is that I insist Obama is not a radical Muslim.