McCain vows to 'whip' Obama

[bigtree]

Sunday October 12, 2008 7:46 pm

ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) -- Republican John McCain vowed Sunday to "whip'' Democratic rival Barack Obama's "you-know-what'' when the two presidential candidates meet Wednesday in their final televised debate.

McCain made that pledge as top advisers said he is weighing new economic proposals to help the nation weather the financial crisis. The Arizona senator refused to answer a reporter's question Sunday about what plans he might be considering.

"We're a couple points down, OK, nationally, but we're right in this game,'' McCain said to cheers. "The economy has hurt us a little bit in the last week or two, but in the last few days we've seen it come back up because they want experience, they want knowledge and they want vision. We'll give that to America.''

"We're going to spend a lot of time and after I whip his you-know-what in this debate, we're going to be going out 24/7,'' McCain said.


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[Bluebear]

1. .

[BlooInBloo]

2. Yah - I'm sure Obama is real scared of a senile old bigot.

[demokatgurrl]

3. Yea, McCain...

"The economy has hurt us a LITTLE BIT"?
Fucking delusional.

and I'm sure Obama is shaking with fear. :scared:

[Kerrytravelers]

4. He was, naturally, only speaking about himself. The "we" wasn't, and never is, about Americans.

He can only obsess about himself.

[Heather MC]

115. Are you saying McLame thinks he is Royalty, in Shakespear

The King refered to himself as "We"
So he is King McCain
:rofl:
good King can be overthrown

[Beregond2]

5. Why is he still speaking in public?

He only digs himself into a deeper hole with every word.

[ThoughtCriminal]

6. Weighing New Economic Proposals

I think I know what the new economic proposal is:

More Whips!

No wonder McCain wins appoval from so many CEOs.

[grasswire]

7. what is he, the slave boss?????????????

What's the matter with him, using that word in a race-charged campaign???

Damn!

[bigtree]

8. next, he'll be vowing to shackle Obama

. . . to his policies.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

9. Bad choice of words McSame

About as bad as DUHbya's calling his mideast misadventure a crusade.

[lonestarnot]

48. I was thinking the same thing.

Fucking freak! I hope he kicks his cracker ass! :evilgrin:

[wordpix]

78. he should know better than to use offensive language like that. Another dangerous moron in the WH

just what we need :sarcasm:

[lonestarnot]

80. That's the way he would take care of everything, trying to fight his way out of a paper bag.

:puke:

[TheWraith]

125. Yeah. I don't think McCain meant anything by it, but any strategist would tell you...

...Stay away from words which conjure certain images. Talking about whipping a black man, calling a war with Muslims a "crusade," and on.

[Generic Other]

10. Am I supposed to believe this is a simple slip of the tongue????

OMG. Simon F. LeGree!! I can't believe this shit. Am I the only one who thinks this is NOT an innocent remark?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. It's Not A Racist One, That's For Sure.

Some of you want to convince yourselves that it is. You want to twist it into having racial intent. But that's just flat out wrong. If you choose to stay convinced of such a flawed interpretation, then you are being willfully ignorant.

The phrase "whip his ass" has no origins that relate to racism whatsoever. Ass is a donkey. It's about having control by whipping someone elses donkey etc.

McCain said it, he knew what he said, and it has the meaning any rationally thinking individual readily knows it to mean; which is to simply win handily.

[Generic Other]

51. Telling a black man you are gonna whip his ass is offensive

You have to totally deny that words have connotative meanings in order to defend McCain's poor choice of words.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Telling It To ANYONE Could Be Offensive.

But it ain't racist. That's a fact. The phrase has no roots to racism past or present whatsoever. You're seeing what you want to see, not what's actually there.

[jberryhill]

64. It was the beginning of the end for Carter v. Kennedy

"If Kennedy runs, I'll whip his ass."

The statement was so uncharacteristic of Carter and contributed to the rancor of that race which gave us Reagan.

Granted, it was a private remark and Ted Kennedy should have been a bigger man at the convention, but it's all water under the bridge now.

[slackmaster]

89. Is there any kind of metaphor for defeating a black man that CAN'T be interpreted as racist?

Beat, whip, trounce, trample, stomp, clobber, hammer, hang out to dry...

How long will it be, how many generations have to pass, until the hypersensitivity (being pointed out to us by someone of unidentified race but who certainly is NOT Barack Obama) fades away?

Oh, am I allowed to say "fade away"? I don't mean to say that black people should start looking like white people...

[entanglement]

116. Did you just out yourself, slackmaster?

:evilgrin:

[slackmaster]

130. Proud third-generation Agnostic and free-thinker

Liberated from the oppression of group conformity and from the tyranny of other peoples' brow-beating since 1918.

:hi:

[fujiyama]

74. Look, he may or may not have meant it in racist context

and people are familiar with the term as an alternative to "kicking one's ass" and so forth, however given the week's racially charged circumstances and events (by the McCain camp's own doing), he should have the fucking sense to use terms that are in no way to be construed in a racial sense.

In other words, he's fucking clueless, senile, and hasn't a clue what he's up against. So far, him and his Moose killer of a VP have failed all three rounds in convincing the American people that they can get the country out of the mess we are in. I don't expect anything to change Tuesday.

[Ghost in the Machine]

87. whipping someone else's donkey?????

:spray: :spray: :spray:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah, that's *exactly* what I mean when I tell someone that I'll whip their ass.... :eyes:

What kind of delusional fantasyland do you live in???

"It's about having control by whipping someone elses donkey etc."

:spray: :spray: :spray:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

88. Your Laughter Makes You Look Silly And Shows Your Ignorance On The Subject.

The origin of the phrase goes back to an ass being a donkey, not a person's ass. You might want to educate yourself let you continue to look like a fool.

Slaves weren't whipped in their asses. They were whipped on their backs.

[Ghost in the Machine]

90. Your posts are what make you look silly and ignorant

You might want to get in touch with the real world today, but I doubt even that would stop you from making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

I'm gonna whip his ass = I'm gonna whip his donkey.. :rofl: :spray:

Only a complete fucking idiot could draw to the conclusion...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

95. Wow, Are You Embarrassing Yourself.

Are you so closed minded as to not be able to grasp the simple concept that when I state that I'm referring to the ORIGINS of the phrase? Are you so foolish as to imply that I'm inferring that's the context in which McCain said it? My god, how silly.

The point is that it has no roots to racism. As it's developed over the years, it now means to beat one's opponent handily and is not racial in context whatsoever. McCain spoke it in the same manner as anyone else would speak it, as trash talk and overconfidence stating that he's going to win the debate. Nothing more, nothing less. Calling it racist is silly.

[Ghost in the Machine]

109. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?

I agree 100% with you that it wasn't a racist comment. As a reformed racist, I usually laugh my ass off at what some people here refer to as 'racism' or 'racist'....

Peace,

Ghost

[kiranon]

92. Are you sure you are on the right board? n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. No. I'm A Freeper Infiltrator Sent Here Just To Piss You Off.

:eyes:

[kiranon]

102. At least, you're truthful. n/t

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[kiranon]

91. Nice try but I consider it racist. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

97. Consider It All You Want. Still Isn't Racist.

[stick1]

121. there's just too much considred racism

The word "whip" is a poor choice of words. McCain showed poor manners at the last debate. I am guessing we see the McSame in rewind. the debates are boring this year- I'm not looking forward to another one. I must add- Obama has gotten pretty good at this thing. This race is over.

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[MidwestTransplant]

11. Isn't that a no no before a sports contest. Usually a sure way to lose.

[Virginia Dare]

29. Trash talking..

not a good idea before the big game, coaches hate it.

[HEyHEY]

12. There goes the African American vote. Does he not have PR people?

[grasswire]

15. first thing I thought of

Simon Legree

[Raschel]

23. I guess that would be "McGree" n/t

[yardwork]

20. I think that McCain is already polling in negative numbers for the African American vote.

Palin's mobs took care of that.

[pansypoo53219]

21. well,black publikans

are too deluded to think about this. others? never had a chance.

[Virginia Dare]

30. I think he's polling less than 10% of the AA vote as it is..

so I guess it's no big loss for him.

[ThatsMyBarack]

13. Tonya vowed to whip Nancy's butt in the 1994 Olympics,....

And look how THAT turned out! ;)

[DRoseDARs]

17. Few remember Nancy and Tonya now has a gig on the incredibly funny "World's Dumbest" series on truTV

:P

[stick1]

120. too funny!

[ThatsMyBarack]

129. Welcome to DU, stick1!

:hi:

[Bluebear]

14. TOTE THAT BARGE, LIFT THAT BALE, BOY!

Using this kind of rhetoric to frost the cake of a racially-charged week from the McCain/Palin camp.


Past insensitive, en route to dangerous.

[Raschel]

25. Now if he uses" jump down, turn around" in a sentence tomorrow, it's all over.

[Bluebear]

26. Don't give him any ideas.

I never thought I would see the day when 2008 is 1962 all over again.

[Raschel]

34. Isn't that the truth. n/t

[beac]

16. Oh goodie! Another super-surprise miracle economic fix awkwardly announced at a debate!

:popcorn:

[qanda]

18. Unfortunate choice of words

[yardwork]

19. This reminds me of "Whip Inflation Now = WIN"

That failed for Jerry Ford too. Still failing, decades later.

[Raschel]

22. "24/7"? That's urban slang. McCain sounds like a terrorist! lol

[SidDithers]

24. The first debate concentrated on Foreign Policy...

which is supposed to be McCain's strength, and he lost.

The second debate was a Town Hall, which is supposed to be McCain's preferred format, and he lost.

So far, he's had his best topic, and best format, and he's still working on an 0-fer.

I don't like McCain's chances in the third debate.

Sid

[TexasObserver]

27. McCain THINKS he did so in the first two debates!!

That's the funny part.

[ContinentalOp]

28. That cracker ass cracker

[onfiredem]

33. Is that from Chris Rock?

[mygreentambourine]

104. Improper grammar...Should be

Cracker-ass cracker. Cracker-ass is hyphenated because the two nouns form an adjective when describing cracker.

[Chorophyll]

31. !!!

Really McCain? Really? Tone-deaf or just stupid?

[tilsammans]

32. Uh, nice choice of words . . .

. . . "whip."

Next McCan't will be saying "that BOY," instead of "that one."

:dem:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. First, Gotta Say I Hope People Aren't Trying To Claim That Was Racist. It Wasn't.

Aside of that, is he out of his mind? Whip him? Please, Obama's gonna run all over him!

[bigtree]

39. At the least, it was ignorant, in the face of the charges of racism

. . . and the demonstrated racism of his crowd.

And, finding no need at all to defend or explain away his ignorance, I hear another dog whistle from a campaign which has been working to make that an art form in this election.

Fuck them. You hear me, OMC. From the bottom of my 48 year-old heart, fuck them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. I Take No Pleasure In Making Up Attacks And Twisting Reality. There's Enough Real Shit To Go After

him for.

I don't find the phrase ignorant whatsoever. The phrase has no origins that relate back to racism and people are making that up out of thin air.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the concept of 'fuck them', but I refuse to make shit up and twist reality in order to do so. That's what THEY do.

[BostonMa]

42. LOL

[bigtree]

45. yeah. real funny.

[bigtree]

44. You're of course entitled to your opinion. It's over the top to suggest that I'm twisting reality

Who's reality are you defending? The McCain campaign has absolutely NO credibility and doesn't deserve a lick of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their intentions. They are engaged in a effort to stir up the racists and bigots who make up their base. Their entire campaign has not only been (deliberately) tone-deaf, but they've been deliberately hatemongering for support. They've denied every charge. I don't happen to believe them. They've lied about it and don't deserve ANY benefit of ANY of our defenses.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. This Has Nothing To Do With Believing You. The Phrase Isn't Racist. That's A Fact.

I'm only pointing that out so that people have the chance to not be ignorant by claiming it was.

That doesn't mean their campaign hasn't engaged in other blatant racism. They have. This phrase? No.

[bigtree]

49. neither is the word boy racist

unless you are referring to me

[Generic Other]

52. I say if it feels like a racist comment to people of color it is one

The repubs have been blowing this dog whistle every chance they get. And now they have dog shit on their shoes.

OMC is spending way too much time in this thread defending a white man's right to be a racist if you ask me.

I suppose he thinks Bush when he was given a portrait of MLKing wasn't snickering for a reason when he said how he looked forward to "hanging" King in the White House. Sure sure...we're all just being too sensitive, aren't we?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. I'm Being A Voice Of Reason.

Saying I'm defending a white man's right to be racist is downright asinine.

Fact is, the phrase 'whip his ass' isn't racial in context whatsoever. It never has been.

I defend because I have integrity. I defend because I can't stand when ignorant freepers distort OUR phrases and make something out of nothing. I defend because claiming it to be racism makes us look dumb and I don't like that. So I'm simply being the voice of reason.

Gripe all you want. Convince yourself otherwise all you want. The phrase isn't racial in context at all.

[Mike Daniels]

105. Neither is "black hole" racist but some people on this board got bent out of shape

when some politician referred to a committee as a "black hole". If memory serves, the committee had some African-Americans on it and the committee members and "some" posters on DU decided to let all logic escape through their head and started screaming "racism".

Never mind that anyone with a junior high/middle school education should be familiar with a black hole and how it applied to the politician's statement.

So, while I admire your efforts, you're pretty much doomed to fail in this case.

That said, I'd think "kick his 'you know what'" would have been a far more prudent expression.

[ArmedAmerican]

119. no actually you're being irrational

And grats on making 15 of the 123 replies in this thread, that's over 10%! See if you can get it up to 20%, maybe another 15 replies of "no it's not" will change our minds. I couldn't help noticing the little "ignore posts from this user" button. Let's see if it works...

[Bluebear]

53. Isn't it grand having to argue with apologists here, among "progressives"?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. Progressives, Liberals And Democrats Should ALL Care About Accuracy And Integrity.

That's all I'm doing. Some are knee jerking to the concept of racism where one doesn't exist. That phrase never has been racial in context or used in racial ways. That's a fact. Declaring it to be racist now is just dumb. You don't want to see that fine. But don't you dare put me down for simply being objective and intelligent enough to see it as the benign phrase it was.

[Bluebear]

66. .

.

[Bluebear]

54. Never mind. Pointless.

[wanpete]

67. the phrase has no origins that relate back to racism???? I really beg to differ.

I'm not one ramp up the race issue. But to say that this phrase has no racial origins is simply not true.

It was, however, a very dumb, stupid, non-presidential thing to say in advance of the debate. But then again, that pretty much sums up McSame's past month!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

76. Don't Beg. It Makes You Look Silly.

And the phrase has absolutely no origins that relate back to racism whatsoever. Within the origin of the phrase itself, 'ass' means donkey, not the ass of a black person. Get a grip.

[kiranon]

94. You are against those who beg? Why? Have you no compassion?

Have you been to India? Have you seen the homeless in the large cities and in the medium and small cities also? Have you been to Tibet? Do you give to charity? Just curious about where you stand. And, yes, it was racist. Look up "theory of mind" and you may understand where people are coming from who disagree with you. If that doesn't work, try "cognitive dissonance". "To whip someone's ass" is an expression not a fact. It only becomes a fact if it is accomplished and I don't mean with a donkey.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. Bzzzzzzzzt. Wasn't Racist.

Say it all you want. Doesn't make it so.

[kiranon]

99. Not a very good response. You can do better.

How are things in Sarasota?

[ArmedAmerican]

43. unfortunately, it probably was meant to be racist

It's no mistake when they say Barack "HUSSEIN!!1!!" Obama, or call him Barack "Osama" then immediately correct themselves. Those are 100% intentional word choices designed to elicit fear in the audience. It's clear that the Republican tactic is fear mongering, equating terrorism with Islam, implying Obama is a muslim, and concluding that Barack Obama is a terrorist. It's racism pure and simple, but just beneath the surface with just enough deniability to avoid out and out calling him a terrorist.

And now "whip his ass"? Sure, that's a common phrase and most of the ways it's used aren't racist. But given their other word choices, yeah, have no doubt that they mean it to conjure up exactly the image of lashing with a whip, and the time period and environment that implies...pre Civil War Southern slave punishment.

Do not underestimate the depths to which Rovian attack techniques will sink. We all like to think that most people are good, honest and civilized and fortunately most of humanity is. But not all, there are immoral people who will say and do anything for power. Closing your eyes to them doesn't make them go away.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. I Highly Doubt It.

You say most of the ways it's used aren't racist. Can you point to a time where it ever has been used as a racist phrase? There are NO roots in that phrase that are linked to racism. It's a perfectly benign phrase. This is making something of nothing and I fear many (outside of here especially) would believe us to be fools for thinking so.

[wanpete]

70. Just wondering OMC, have you ever watched the miniseries "Roots"?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. Yes, But That's Irrelevant.

Was there a point you were trying to make? Are you claiming the phrase does have racist roots? Cause it doesn't.

[wanpete]

106. well, that's your opinion. I have mine. I think it does have racist undertones and mostly it was

a very childish, silly, unpresidential thing to say.

[onenote]

86. You are right of course

But then again, I'm sure some here would assume that when boxer Lovemore Dnou said of his opponent, Ricky Hatton, that he'd "whip his ass" -- that was meant to be racist.

[Generic Other]

55. 100% correct! Welcome to DU

Glad some people are not fooled by the deliberate race baiting. It's ugly and should not go unchallenged. OMC can scream all day about McCain being innocent. I call BS. Let McCain come forward and defend his own remarks.

[Bluebear]

58. You said it. nt

[REP]

63. Welcome, and you can safely ignore OMF

He's a well-known fabulist and ass-talker.

[dionysus]

112. oh shit...

:spray:

and a bit of a poppinjay if you will...

[progressivebydesign]

65. I agree with you ArmedAmerican. He has to know that term would further incite his crazy racists fans

even if McCain didn't mean it that way himself, he is completely senile if he gave no thought to the red meat he was throwing to his near-mob, racist, crowd.

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. Totally agree.

Given the other things they've said in the past, I have no doubt this was inteded to be racist.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[stillcool]

36. John McCain is a 12 year old boy..

in a 72 year old body. He has some serious emotional problems.

[Swamp Rat]

37. The third debate: Mohammad Ali vs. Grampa Simpson

:D

[bigtree]

50. oh shit

me and mine: :rofl: :spray:

[Incitatus]

38. And another McCain comment earns Obama thousands of donations. nt

[Rocknrule]

56. He's starting to remind me of Dr. Loveless from Wild Wild West

[Name removed]

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[progressivebydesign]

62. McCain has truly lost his mind. Remember when we found out Reagan had lost it & the coverd for him?

This is what is hapening right now. I think McCain has periods of lucidity, followed by periods of complete nonsensical bullshit. Does he seem to have gone downhill very very fast in his health and mental state? I think many people felt they could support him because they had images of the former McCain in their mind, I imagine they are quite shocked to see that he's aged like 20 years in the past 5.

I feel like they're doing a Reagan on us.. trying to hide the fact that McCain has lost it. Who in their fucking right mind would actually say "I"m going to whip his you-know-what" in the debate. ?????

[debatemoderator]

68. "whip somone's ass" is a common idiom

Meaning to "defeat".

Fake outrage is bad.

[Bluebear]

69. President Obama. Get used to hearing it. It's just eating you up, ain't it?

[workinclasszero]

71. I think McKKKain had this in mind...

Put on your hood John, you know you want to!

[gabby garcia]

72. yeah. right.

"We're going to spend a lot of time and after I whip his you-know-what in this debate, we're going to be going out 24/7,'' McPeepaw said.

"24/7, I say... just as soon as I has me my nap"

:boring:

[bridgit]

73. "whip" him like what?

[krispos42]

75. A fire-breathing dragon.

And you can imagine what a fire-breathing dragon would do to a puny human with a whip.



Hint: it involves a lot of heat...

[peekaloo]

79. I thought older folks used the term "lick" as in "I'll lick his ass".

amusing myself

[bigtree]

81. that's just gross

:P

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

83. Racist and delusional

What a combo.

[miyazaki]

84. economy hurt a little bit? its been on a fucking deathwatch n/t

[47of74]

85. McSame hasn't been able to beat him before.

Ol' McSame hasn't been able to beat Obama in the last two debates - despite what Faux News and the rest of the M$M would have us believe. Obama beat him both times. What makes McSame think he has a chance this time around?

[Suji to Seoul]

93. Whip? Not Like Us? Different? Jeez, Johnny. . .just call him and "n" word already.

You know you want to!

Better yet, call him "boy." I know you're itching to!

[OhioChick]

100. White old man threatening to whip black man?

Hmmm....sounds a bit racist to me.

[slackmaster]

108. There was no threat

It was just a metaphor.

Calm down.

[bigtree]

110. why should anyone 'calm down' right now

anyone who's been paying attention

McCain's campaign has angered me beyond what I'm willing to express on this forum. I understand politics, but I don't believe politics provides the best defense against their slurs and their deliberate insensitivity. Get angry.

[slackmaster]

111. Perhaps you wouldn't be so angry if McCain said "we can _beat_ Obama"?

Or maybe not.

[bigtree]

113. this one stupid remark

. . . just adds to my anger over his bigoted campaign, it didn't spark it.

His words shouldn't be defended or rationalized away here. He should be held to the same level of accountability for what he says that his dishonest campaign has demanded from Obama's statements.

[OhioChick]

117. I am calm. Just calling it as I see/hear it. n/t

[eauclaireliberal]

101. Whip him with WHAT? His wet diaper?

:shrug:

[rucky]

107. He should've said "whoop"

[Vektor]

118. For a minute, he thought he was back on the plantation.

Is there no end to McCain's lunacy?

[nichomachus]

122. With the virulent racism that has infected the McCain/Palin campaign

I feel justified in assuming that any reference they use is racist -- until proven otherwise.

[progressoid]

123. Unfortunate choice of words but not racist.

[bigtree]

124. unfortunate because it is easily taken for a slur

in the middle of a sea of slurs, whispering campaigns, and outright bigoted slander from the top of the McCain camp on down.\

I don't know why some folks here feel these low-life maggots need some clarification or defense of what they've said from our side. They forfeited any right to that expectation when they began to lie and demagogue. The defenses here are a gift to a man who has absolutely no respect for ANYONE here and intends to hijack America and keep us bound to the republican's fascist autocracy. Lives are in the balance. Leave the republicans to explain their own words. They don't deserve the benefit of any defense here.

[Bluebear]

126. Our own little fact check brigade for John McCain's benefit

Disgraceful, ain't it?

[panzerfaust]

127. Makes me think there might be something in the woodpile?

Yes. "Something", not "Someone".

You may have to be from the south.

Then again, maybe not: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2000-barackobama

Sigh.

[victoryparty]

128. Dream on, Johnny Mac

The only whippin' is gonna be Obama's verbal ass-kicking of McCain.

[Joe Chi Minh]

131. It reminds me a bit about the joke about the bloke telling his mates in

his local that his wife made all the trifling decisions, such as such as where they live, what school the kids go to, where he worked, etc, and he made all the big decisions, such as should Britain stay in the Common Market.

McCain would have to stand on a stack of telephone directories to reach Obama's you-know-what, even with a whip.