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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:34 AM
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not a conspiracy theory, but definately a tinfoil thought
I just heard a financial reporter on TV -- CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Bloomberg? I'm not sure. But she said nobody knows exactly why the financial world seems to be imploding right now.

Could it be the world's worry about what Bush is going to do for a finale?
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:35 AM
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1. No. They know.
They just still don't want to admit it to themselves.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:53 AM
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3. what is it?
I think maybe I know. I certainly hope that Bush is a fake Christian like I always thought.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:57 AM
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5. I honestly don't think they truly know what is going on...
None of them have been round long enough. They all firmly believed in the Chicago styl economics and really thought they could outsmart the markets.

In the end, it's all, as the northwoods "sage" keeps telling us, lipstick on something or other.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:37 AM
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2. It's not Bush I'm worried about, but Cheney. Bush has checked out.
Bush would go home today, if he could. He's done with all this.

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:55 AM
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4. maybe
But it seems like since he was a child he has enjoyed destructing any and every good thing that he could get his hands on.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:06 AM
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6. I've always said since over a year ago
to both friends and co-workers that the economy will not improve until there's a Democrat in the White House. It's as simple as that.

You cannot expect anything to change while Shrub is still there asleep at the wheel (and McCain would be worse).
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:31 AM
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7. we have to be collapsed to make us go along with the NWO. Could be that.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:48 AM
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8. Well, the world financial system with its credit default derivatives
...is what is bringing down the system. These are Ponzi type pyramid financial schemes which have reached critical mass and have exploded like a dirty fission bomb.

<snip>
Criticisms
Warren Buffett famously described derivatives bought speculatively as "financial weapons of mass destruction." In Berkshire Hathaway's annual report to shareholders in 2002, he said, "Unless derivatives contracts are collateralized or guaranteed, their ultimate value also depends on the creditworthiness of the counterparties to them. In the meantime, though, before a contract is settled, the counterparties record profits and losses--often huge in amount--in their current earnings statements without so much as a penny changing hands. The range of derivatives contracts is limited only by the imagination of man (or sometimes, so it seems, madmen)." The same report, however, also states that he uses derivatives to hedge, and that some of Berkshire Hathaway's subsidiaries have sold and currently sell derivatives with notional amounts in the tens of billions of dollars.<19> Berkshire Hathaway, with a market capitalization of $196 billion<20>, certainly does have enough equity to collateralize or guarantee these contracts.
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One large difference between credit default swaps and insurance, is you do not need to own the bond or instrument being insured in order to obtain insurance on it. If the bond fails, then, theoretically, you get paid, possibly along with many others. Yet the "insurer" of the bond is not regulated and the transaction is beyond federal or state regulation. This allow speculators to make money by purchasing insurance on a company's bonds and then shorting the stock of the company in great quantity and getting a payoff that exceeds their risk of shorting if the price of the company's stock increases. The fact that you need not be a party to owning the bond also explains why the total value of credit default swaps is so high, indeed higher than the total value of the bonds issued.

<MORE>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_default_swap

The whole system is a racket and needs to be placed into immediate bankruptcy with all assets frozen, gambling debts dropped and balance sheets made realistic with a reorganization to pay-off legitimate debts dropping all others. Intentional fraud should be criminally prosecuted as well.


NOTE: A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves promising or paying abnormally high returns ("profits") to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from net revenues generated by any real business. It is named after Charles Ponzi.<1>

<link> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
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