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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:48 PM
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With all this voting purge in key states; well, Why vote?
This will be the third time we get screwed over.......votes tossed, purged, denied. I thought we had a grip/control on this crime....apparently not. I'm ready for disappointment since that seems a safe mood.:shrug:

:cry:
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:53 PM
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1. Statement from NC's leading election watchdog group concerning NY Times article
Statement from Bob Hall, Executive Director, Democracy North Carolina



The New York Time included North Carolina in an article about six states with possible “improper purges” of voters from registration rolls, but it failed to provide any evidence that North Carolina voters have in fact been purged or “blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law.” This is an example of how the media’s desire for “gotcha” stories can overtake its responsibility for accurate reporting. It is particularly reprehensible because it can make North Carolinians worry that they won’t be able to cast a ballot in the upcoming election; in other words, it has the same effect as a devious rumor aimed at disenfranchising voters.



Editors and election watchdogs, including Democracy North Carolina, need to understand and examine the voter registration process in North Carolina before they question its validity and make claims about its deficiencies.



As the director of a nonpartisan organization involved in registering new voters and also monitoring elections officials in North Carolina, I can tell you that the most pervasive registration problems happen because of human error on the part of the voter or the volunteer registering that person. Forms are submitted that are incomplete or partly illegible; they are submitted without the person’s signature or without any identification number. In our experience, Social Security numbers are often provided, rather than the driver’s license number, so it is not surprising that out of 700,000 new registrations in the past year in North Carolina, the Social Security administration’s computers would receive a large volume to match. So what? That is how the system is supposed to work. Even if a match is not found, the new registrant in North Carolina is not “purged” but remains in the database, gets contacted by the local election officials, and has multiple chances to provide additional information and cast a ballot that counts.



Like all of us, elections officials make mistakes, but at least in North Carolina there are a number of procedures in place that minimize the chance that a person eligible to participate in an election will be denied the right to vote and have that vote counted. We have worked with state and local election officials to improve those procedures, and agree with most national voting rights advocates that North Carolina is a leader in the integrity of its election administration system.



The harder problem continues to be cynical rumors and false information from ill-informed, sometimes well-intended, sources, now including the New York Times (and local re-printers who failed to check the story with state election officials). Certainly, there have been serious problems with lost ballots and election manipulation. The public should remain vigilant, and individuals with any doubts should confirm their registration status through websites like 2008ElectionConnection.com or by calling their local board of elections. What we don’t need are inflammatory stories about stolen elections or cheated voters that have no basis in fact.





Bob Hall

Democracy North Carolina

Durham, NC

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:53 PM
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2. Vote & fight back.
Do something. Haul voters there, help people find out if they're registered, whatever. Find something useful to do and do it.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:54 PM
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3. I did that already
was it wasted energy? I'm just depressed about this tonight. I will get better tomorrow.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:58 PM
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5. relax
I worked at a County Clerks office and it is exactly how you do it.

a staff member reads the Obits every day in the local papers and checks the names against the database. if the name, street and birthday match, voter is marked deceased. if there is any question a quick call to the mortuary was done, if the birthdate matched it was good. If that info wasn't available, we'd send a letter to the voter informing them of the situation and ask them to call us or stop by the office.

when a new registration comes in there is a line for the last place you were registered. a staff member then sends a letter to that county clerk or election official that the voter is now registered in our jurisdiction. and when we received letters from other Clerks or Election Boards, we would remove the voter from our rolls.

the only other thing we'd do is get felony sentencing files and if the person was incarcerated as a felon, they would be purged too, although it was very rare to find criminals even on the voter rolls.

the article wasn't clear on the Social Security stuff, that kinda confused me........
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 06:58 PM
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4. With all this opposition to suffragettes, why fight for women's voting rights?
With all this crackdown on Gandhi's people, why support Indian independence?

With all the backward rednecks threatening increased violence, why fight to outlaw lynching?

Always fight. Never give up. Never!
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:02 PM
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6. Not to worry
Obama will win. This campaign team is the best -- far better than in 2000 and 2004.

Take heart.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:06 PM
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7. I'm holding my breathe.
I'm also not working the 3, 4, 5th of November to work the polls and such.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:31 PM
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8. Again, it will be ok
Not sure why you are not working the polls, but, again, I am sure that our guy is going to win in a landslide.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:14 PM
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9. I just realized I misread your post
My apologies. I applaud you for working the polls!!
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:21 PM
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10. OH SHUT UP ALREADY!
I'm sick and tired of the freeper trolls and tin-foil hatters who try to suppress the vote by convincing us it doesn't work.

McCain is going to be crushed in this election.

VOTE AND DON'T LISTEN TO THIS IDIOT.

I've worked a multitude of campaigns over the last five years and guess what:

None of them have been "stolen" - when you lose there's always a good reason.

If you work for the campaign, go door to door, have a good absentee ballot chase program, a good message, a well spoken charming candidate - you win.

Doug D.
Democratic Activist
Orlando, FL
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