Teh Gays Are Out To Ruin My Heterosexual Marriage! CA Proposition 8 PISSES ME OFF

[QueenOfCalifornia]

Hi.

I am angry. So much to be angry over isn't there? But the hate based piece of shit proposition 8 pisses me off.

We here in Kaleeforneeya passed a law allowing same sex couples to marry. Did my heterosexual marriage fall apart? Did my husband come home one day and scream "I can't be married now that teh gays can do it!!!"

Uh, No! Nope...

My kids are 8 and 9 - Are they now somehow perverted because I had to explain that lesbians and gay men can go to the court house, get a marriage license and get married?
Ask them (I wish you could.) They just accept it because I have told them it is okay for their uncle Alan to be married to his partner of 15 years. Big fucking deal.

Now a bunch of religious wackafuckers have decided that we can not allow teh gays to be married! Oh noooooooooo. Fuck no! THEY WILL MAKE ALL OF OUR KIDS TURN GAY!
Here is the short version of the Yes on 8 tv ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto

The schools are teaching our kids about same sex marriage! Protect Marriage! is the battle cry... Here is a link to their web site: http://www.protectmarriage.com/

To all of my gay and lesbian friends - I am so sorry. I am sorry for the hate filled shit on the tv that goes non-stop. I wish I could make it stop. My kids wish it would stop. It is possibly the largest funded bunch of hate I have ever seen during a campaign.

I want my country back damn it. The religious fundees are sick.
:rant:

[ccharles000]

1. hugs

[QueenOfCalifornia]

2. I am so angry

Charles.

I have tears in my eyes.

I love my brother in law. He is kind and gentle. He wouldn't harm anyone. He had to move to Holland to feel accepted. He and his SO are good, hard working guys and they couldn't make my kids gay even if they wanted to.

I wish we could get beyond this shit.

Peace.

[ccharles000]

6. I hope cali keeps marriage equality.

As a gay teen who lives in NC I will have to move to another more liberal state to feel welcome.

[EFerrari]

3. There is a lot of hatred out there this year. As DUer Emit said

this is the GOP's way of GOTV. Emit is a lot nicer than I am. :)

[bullwinkle428]

4. There was a PRO-Proposition 8 commercial on the progressive talk station, KTLK!

"We must protect traditional marriage!" :mad: :mad:

I've heard it at least twice, maybe three times over the course of this week!

[anigbrowl]

7. There's a bunch of them right here on DU in this thread, and I'm pissed off.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

15. They are just

wasting their money doing a buy on a liberal station.

I seriously doubt that anyone who listens to the station will vote yes on the bill.

Your anger is appropriate. :)

[2CheeseEnchiladas]

44. KTLK has to pay their bills somehow

And as the previous guy said, they are just throwing their money away doing it on our station.

[anigbrowl]

5. Just so you know the background...

We didn't actually pass a law legalizing gay marriage in CA - the legislature did (twice) but it was vetoed by our governorator - for good legal reasons, I might add, not because he's a horrible person.. Instead, a previous piece of legislation which had been approved by plebiscite (prop 22 in 2000) was found by the California Supreme court to be unconstitutional (which is the sort of thing state supreme courts are supposed to decide, but that didn't matter to the RW).

Mind you, it seems to me that there's a high chance that this proposed constitutional amendment up for a vote in CA will have legal problems of its own, but in any case I urge everyone to vote against it.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

10. The legislation passed

California Legislature Approves Gay Marriage
By Joe Dignan and John Pomfret
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; Page A01

SACRAMENTO, Sept. 6 -- The California Assembly voted Tuesday to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, making the state's legislature the first in the nation to deliberately approve same-sex marriages and handing a political hot potato to an already beleaguered Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R).

After a vehement floor debate in which legislators quoted the Pledge of Allegiance and accused each other of abusing moral principles, the state Assembly passed the Religious Freedom and Civil Marriage Protection Act, which recasts the definition of marriage as between "two persons," not between a man and a woman. The state Senate passed the bill last week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090602076.html

[QueenOfCalifornia]

11. I forgot to add:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage16-2008may16,0,6182317.story
From the Los Angeles Times
California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban
In a 4-3 decision, the justices rule that people have a fundamental 'right to marry' the person of their choice and that gender restrictions violate the state Constitution's equal protection guarantee
By Maura Dolan
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

May 16, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO -- — The California Supreme Court struck down the state's ban on same-sex marriage Thursday in a broadly worded decision that would invalidate virtually any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation.

The 4-3 ruling declared that the state Constitution protects a fundamental "right to marry" that extends equally to same-sex couples. It tossed a highly emotional issue into the election year while opening the way for tens of thousands of gay people to wed in California, starting as early as mid-June.

The majority opinion, by Chief Justice Ronald M. George, declared that any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation will from this point on be constitutionally suspect in California in the same way as laws that discriminate by race or gender, making the state's high court the first in the nation to adopt such a stringent standard.

The decision was a bold surprise from a moderately conservative, Republican-dominated court that legal scholars have long dubbed "cautious," and experts said it was likely to influence other courts around the country.

But the scope of the court's decision could be thrown into question by an initiative already heading toward the November ballot. The initiative would amend the state Constitution to prohibit same-sex unions.

The campaign over that measure began within minutes of the decision. The state's Catholic bishops and other opponents of same-sex marriage denounced the court's ruling. But Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who previously has vetoed two bills in favor of gay marriage, issued a statement saying he "respects" the decision and "will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn" it.

[anigbrowl]

25. Ah yes, that's what I said.

[AlCzervik]

8. 2 houses in my charmless tract hood have "Yes on 8" signs. they is teh stupid.

if my marriage of 17 years fails it sure isn't going to be the fault of the gays.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

13. I am getting a NO on 8 sign

and putting it next to my Obama sign in the window.

[AlCzervik]

14. i have 2 already, one in the window facing the street and one on my lawn.

[GinaMaria]

9. Protect marriage?

If everyone would pick up the handmirror instead of the magnifying glass we'd have stronger marriages. In other words look at yourself not others. Examine your behaviors and work on those that chip away at your marriage. No one outside the marriage can destroy the marriage. Two people take a vow, it is up to those two people to live up to that vow.

These freaks want to redefine marriage as a religeous word. Marriage and partnership existed long before their 'belief' systems. By their definition some heterosexual marriages (like mine) would not be considered marriages. I understand the anger. So much hate and fear being exposed in this election. Hang in there.

[old mark]

21. Gina-Marie, they want to re-define EVERYTHING as

religious, so they can control it (and make money off it).

These "religious" folks are mostly just being used by their controllers to advance someones fame, fortune and/or power.

Good luck to all of you in California, and elsewhere.

FWIW, my nephew and his partner were married this past spring. His partner's parents have not spoken to him for many years. My nephew's folks flew up to NYC from Texas for the event.

Didn't affect our hetero marriage at all, either.

mark

[QueenOfCalifornia]

30. You didn't

divorce? Wha...! Huh! Your marriage is in danger!

I am sorry for the nephew in-law... His parents are sick.

My 9 year old said to me one day - "Mom, I know you would love me if I was gay." I smiled - He was correct.

[old mark]

42. They must be very foolish people, They are losing so much

and they will never get it back.

mark

[codjh9]

12. I've been angry at these fear-mongering asshole idiots for years! They're lunatics...

[QueenOfCalifornia]

18. You too huh?

Just when I think they can't get stupider they do.

:eyes:

[codjh9]

20. They almost couldn't choose a lesser 'non-issue' to make such a big f-ing deal about, in my opinion.

[scorpiogirl]

16. I am right there with you!

My neighbor put a vile Yes on Prop 8 bumpersticker on her car. So I started putting signs in my window. The first one read "Bigotry is Ugly!" Now they've added a sign to their yard and those vile signs are showing up all over town, even in public parks WTF?

I've added some new signs to my window: "Bigotry rooted in religion is still bigotry!" and "Equality is a human right!" They live across the street so it's hard for them to avoid seeing the signs.

I've also been battling some of those losers on our local paper's online forum. They are disgusting pieces of shit. I had one person say that I must be ok with incest if I'm ok with gays getting married. That's a scary window in the minds of how these fuckers think. Or don't think as the case may be. I agree with you, they are just plain sick!

I too, am sooooo angry about this. I really hate to see people bullied and put down. That's all these people do!

Ok, mini rant over! I wish I could say I felt better now :-(

[QueenOfCalifornia]

17. I am LOL

because I picture a giant sign war in CA where ever it is you live.... I say, get a massive sign, a billboard with your thoughts looming right into their dreary, no-gay-hate-fest.

Incest and gay?

WTF?

I hate ignorant fucks.

:wtf:

[scorpiogirl]

19. Yep. Bay area, CA....East bay to be more specific.

I've been changing my signs every few days to whatever new message seems apropos. I've just been printing them out of my computer, but I think it may be time for poster board size!

I have to say my neighbors are Mormon, which I really haven't cared abut. That is, until they started spewing their hate as if it's reasonable. Now is the time to call them out!

A side note: every Christmas eve, they bring us a plate of cookies and sing us a Christmas carol. I'm sure we won't be getting that treatment this year LOL!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

26. When they don't bring their Mormon cookies

this season, go over and complain.

I WANT MY COOKIES!

[SidneyCarton]

29. Why? You do know they aren't made of real Mormons.

[here_is_to_hope]

38. OH you son of a nice person you! OUCH!

That was downright teh funny!
Now, get over here and pry these Mothers* cookies (the last as they are out of business) out of my nose!



*dont even try it... :)

[scorpiogirl]

31. LOL!

My husband said we should take them cookies and sing them a Christmas carol this year! I've just re-done my signs on poster board. I'm now really sure they won't be bring those cookies again! :evilgrin:

[SidneyCarton]

28. I wouldn't be so sure about the cookies...

n/t

[FreeState]

34. Print this out on a sign for you LDS neighbors...

from their scriptures:

“We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.” Doctrine and Covenants 134:9

[scorpiogirl]

39. I'm going to need a bigger poster and bigger windows!

You mean they're hypocrites?????? Shocking!!! I'm so sick of these people acting like they have a legitimate stance! Talk about shoving your religion down someone's throat!

I am definitely going to use that scripture in any discussions I might encounter. Thanks!

[scorpiogirl]

45. I decided this sub-thread needs pictures!

This is what I originally had on my window:




Then I decided today it was time to go bigger!:



My husband just got home and saw this sign. He said I have balls bigger than grapefruits. I absolutely take that as a compliment! :-)

[AlCzervik]

46. i love you.

:loveya:

[scorpiogirl]

50. Awwwww...

Thanks! :hug:

You know, I always tell my young daughters when they complain, that life isn't fair, but this is one time it must be!

It doesn't hurt the neighbors are in fact, Mormon, so they're probably super annoyed. I don't care! If we have to look at their signs, then they should have to look at mine.

[Starry Messenger]

55. Beautiful signs! n/t

[scorpiogirl]

61. Thank you! n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

56. I agree with Chimps...

I love you too! :hug:

[scorpiogirl]

62. Thank you! It makes me feel good to stand up and fight!

I want us all to have the same rights. Is that so much to ask?

If my signs get someone to think differently, then they'll have done their job!

Back at you! :hug:

[blues90]

22. when they were out there asking me to sign to get this 8 on the

ballot I said are you insane ,no fucking way and I will vote no on it . I feel gay marriage has no affect or is a threat to marriage at all.

People who feel it is are insecure freaks. These people should focus on their own damn lives since they who believe marriage between a man and women is the only acceptable way have a very bad track record in their own marriage.

This shouldn't even be an issue on the ballot. Freaks put it there and that's all you need to know.

I am a male married to a female and guy marriage poses no threat to me at all and why should it.

[BeeBee]

23. Thank you for your support. n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

24. You are welcome

I wish this shit would stop.

Now.

:hug:

[Johonny]

27. Just imagine

who had the time to promote this thing. The economy and fabric of America are in trouble and they are talking about this issue. OMG these people need to understand what a waste of our Californians time this prop is. It's embarrassing to all those that support it.

[WVRICK13]

32. Not A Californian But

I am a gay man who has been in a committed relationship for over 17 years and I have to say every year is better than the last. I don't want to be married because that is up to a church whether they will allow me to marry there. However, I do want the legal rights that every citizen of our country is supposed to be guaranteed by virtue of that citizenship. If we start passing laws limiting citizen rights we are no longer a democracy and the Constitution really is just a piece of paper. It is one thing to not have something but when you pass laws making it something that can never be attained you cross dangerous lines. What will be next? Who will decide what is legal? Another thing that bothers me is when we choose to codify bigotry we open the doors to violence. If gay Americans are made into second class citizens by law we may as well tell bigots it is ok to bash us, shoot us or kill us since we no longer matter as people and we are not equal under the law.

I know what it is like to live where tolerance is very low. I live in West Virginia, where I came out in 1972 at the age of 18. I have refused to lie or hide my true self. I am not stereotypical, whatever that means. I live in a very small town and I find it hard to believe that a single person does not know my orientation or know about my relationship. Amazingly my partner and I are treated with respect wherever we go and are invited to many events with our heterosexual friends. In fact, we have many more heterosexual friends than gay, although there are other gay couples in the area.

I guess I will go out on a limb here and say that a lot of the hatred toward gays happens because so many gays stay in the closet and by doing so they deny their associates and friends the pleasure of really knowing them. Once people know you sexual orientation really is not such a big issue. The only people who have given me a rough time in life about my orientation are the closeted gay men who are married to women. I have had many many offers from married men in this area. Funny thing these were the only people who ever gave me a rough time in public then later came on to me.

Now I will talk about gay pride. WTF, I am not proud of being gay, nor am I ashamed, it is merely who I am. I didn't pick this orientation. Why would anyone deliberately chose to be a minority and subject themselves to misunderstandings, hatred and even violence? I understand the passion of youth when they march at the Gay Pride Parades. It is a backlash at a bad social situation. However, those parades have the exact opposite effect than desired. If my gay brothers and sisters would peacefully march in unison and dress in their normal clothing I would join them, but I will not join a freak show. These parades are often full of groups of men wearing leather chaps with their asses hanging out, other men wearing chains and leashes and then there are Dyke's on bikes. For crying out loud we need to stop the stereotypes not reinforce them. If they scare me what do they do to mainstream America? I have friends who go to these events and get into the strange garb yet they never ever wear it anywhere else. This behavior is self defeating. We need to be ourselves, nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry for the rant.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

58. Hugs to you

I appreciate the path you have walked.

No need to apologize. I know several gay people who share your views.

I don't take my kids to gay pride parades for the reasons you cited - I am ultra liberal but my kids do not need to find out what a "leather queen" is.

xoxo
Gilligan

[FreeState]

33. Show your anger - donate today - we need it desperately

http://noonprop8.com/home

every $ counts - sent $5 if you can ...

[BlooInBloo]

35. Call it by its proper name: "The California Bigot Amendment."

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. I haven't seen yes on 8 in my area but have seen the good anti-8 ads

Another good thing to think about is that conservatives and many rethugs
say they are not going to the voting booth because of McCain.

This proposition was put forward to get the base out but
a lot of the other part of the base hate mccain and will be absent


Let's keep our fingers crossed.

[nichomachus]

37. My partner and I are getting married next week

We've been together for 25+ years and we've been registered domestic partners for five. We weren't going to get married, because it didn't add or subtract anything legally from our domestic partnership and seemed an unnecessary step -- until marriage was recognized nationwide.

Now, we've decided to do it. The two main reasons are (1) just to piss off the right wingers and because we may not be able to get married in CA after November, and (2) and more important, it might just be an advantage when we decide to leave the country. I can qualify for immigration to several places that my partner does not, but he would be admitted as my spouse, because those countries recognize same-sex marriage.

I know it's a very unromantic reason for getting married, but after 25 years of partnership, our lives and finances are so intertwined at this point, the symbolism of a marriage ceremony is minimal.

It breaks my heart to think of leaving the country, but I remind myself that 100 years ago, my grandparents looked around at their country and said "this is really going to shit," and bravely they left with a one-year-old baby and the clothes on their backs. It worked out well for them, for my parents, and -- up until now -- for me.

So, we'll have a Sunday afternoon ceremony with 40 of our nearest and dearest friends, and we'll have a great time, although it will be clouded by the reason we feel it's necessary to do it.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

63. Best wishes to you two.

After being together so long it is obvious you have a true commitment. Have a great day and remember to post pics here!

[readmoreoften]

40. Sorry for ruining your marriage. I just really, really love my girlfriend.

Didn't mean to mess stuff up for you with our totally radical nutso commitment to take care of one another and not sleep around. My parents are also sorry that they are happy for us.

Sorry again.

[Gwendolyn]

41. You can't know the mind of a squid.

Even when you point the bigoted masses to available statistics, which prove that every civilized country allowing same sex marriage have seen absolutely ZIL effect on the mating and marriage rituals of heterosexuals, their eyes glaze over. It's amazing to watch. I've tried several times, always with the same result.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

57. Numerz r scary

to the freepers. :)

[ContinentalOp]

43. We need to seriously reform the initiative process.

When will we get this damn thing fixed? It's an open door for right wing wackos with lots of money to hijack our state.

[serrano2008]

47. So, is everyone ready to sign my petition to ban

second marriages? Really, Jesus said not to get divorced and that if you marry a woman who's already been married then you're committing adultery and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is one of the 10 commandments, so the evangelicals shouldn't be getting divorced and ripping apart their families and getting remarried!

Who's with me?

Come on people, we can make this work. You can't complain about the sanctity of marriage if you've been divorced. We even have a good slogan - "Gay marriage doesn't hurt marriage, divorce hurts marriage and families."

Someone help me find a state congressman or somebody out there who will help point out these idiots who believe in the sanctity of marriage and then destroy their marriages in front of God.

[Forkboy]

48. Oh, you're going to fit right in here.

Welcome to DU! :toast:

[Lil Missy]

49. Absolutely! Second marriages are a slippery slope that could lead to bestiality and pedophilia!

:wow:

[Toasterlad]

51. Actually, They Have Some Valid Points, As Illustrated In This Video:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY>

[Gwendolyn]

52. Bwahahah!!!

:rofl:

Ketchy tune too!

[ccharles000]

53. kick

[Shallah Kali]

54. Why do supports of Prop 8 hate monogamy???????

At times like this I wish the rapture was for real so they would get sucked off this planet and leave it to us non-fundamentalists who aren't afraid of catching teh gay from our gay friends and family.

[OnionPatch]

59. And they call us on the left "elitists".

:eyes: They always project their worst traits on everyone else. They cry about "elitists" but want nothing more than to see ONLY themselves and people exactly like them portrayed as the "real Americans" with "real families" and "real marriages." They are more elitist in their exclusionary view of the world than any of us could ever be.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

60. Don't forget that sh!t Palin is yelling.

Palin and her "CULT" are becoming more like the Taliban every day.

All they need to do is wear burkahs... oh wait... some of their followers already do.

[lligrd]

64. The Ads Have Been Truly Disgusting nt

[Initech]

65. Oh god Prop 8 really pisses me off.

It's just another step toward a fascist theocratic government. I'm so pissed off that it actually made the ballot in my state. :grr:

[cboy4]

66. Thanks very much gilligan for your nice post.

:)