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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:07 PM
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Should there be a balanced budget amendment?
perhaps with allowances for incurring debt during national crisis.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:09 PM
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1. We don't need one. The Grand Dragoness has promised to balance the budget.
Maybe on her lover's back -- it's hard to tell, you betcha!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:09 PM
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2. Not until this crisis has stabilized
and we have progressive tax system back.

Otherwise, it's just carte blanche to starve the peasants in good times and bad.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:10 PM
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3. No.



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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:10 PM
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4. Fuck, NO!
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:11 PM
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5. To those who say "no" ... how can we justify?
How can we justify continuing to have a government that spends beyond its means?
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cyberswede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:20 PM
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7. in a word: Keynes
for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian

Keynes's theory suggested that active government policy could be effective in managing the economy. Rather than seeing unbalanced government budgets as wrong, Keynes advocated what has been called countercyclical fiscal policies, that is policies which acted against the tide of the business cycle: deficit spending when a nation's economy suffers from recession or when recovery is long-delayed and unemployment is persistently high—and the suppression of inflation in boom times by either increasing taxes or cutting back on government outlays. He argued that governments should solve problems in the short run rather than waiting for market forces to do it in the long run, because "in the long run, we are all dead."
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:28 PM
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8. Well, that's a problem isn't it? Just because Congress can't...
stop spending by itself doesn't mean an amendment will help. Or not make things worse. Start with just what

Right now there is a vast amount of spending "off budget" that rarely gets a serious look. CIA black ops, Social Security, the Iraq war, and all sorts of other goodies aren't actually in the budget and are accounted for by some inscrutable federal system that would be felonious if any private enterpreneur tried it.

The bastids even change the fiscal year on the fly when they see some big bills coming so it looks like the books are balanced.

(Yeah, Clinton did have a "balanced" budget, but balanced most of it by hiding money with many of the usual tricks, and he still had the debt hanging over his head and the simple deposits vs. checks written never balanced if looked at with beady CPA eyes, but Congress is a bunch of lawyers, not accountants.)

So, if you tried it, first you have to decide just what "balanced" means, then you have to figure out what to do with the imbalances already there, and then you have to have an escape valve in case we get into another war or recession.

Bottom line-- such an amendment wouldn't really stop them from spending when they want to, but would give them an excuse not to spend on stuff they didn't really want to.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:12 PM
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6. No. Balanced budget mandates work just fine in properous times,
but many many of the states that have them are now in serious trouble and are having to cut some very important programs because of it.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:34 PM
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9. They'd only laugh at it.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:37 PM
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10. Yes
with the option to take out a short term loan in a pinch (with a high approval rating in the house and senate). If we're in a crises that requires more money to be spent then raise taxes. If it's not important enough for that then it isn't important enough to drive us in to bankruptcy.
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:37 PM
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11. Definitely Not
What is important is the size of the debt we owe to foreigners. If the debt is owed to Americans, the interest paid stays in the country. If the debt is owed to foreigners, the entire country is poorer. Foreigners now control over twelve TRILLION dollars of our assets, and this means have a balance of payments deficit of more than $700 billion or more than $2300 for every one of us. When Reagan became president, we were the largest creditor nation in the world, now we are the largest debtor. The foreign debt is what we should try to pay off.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:45 PM
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12. No. Deficits are needed for charging up the economy during downturns.
In an ideal world you would cut taxes and increase spending during downturns and then raise taxes and cut spending during booms.
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