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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:08 AM
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Elliot Spitzer Died for Wall Street’s Sins
Elliot Spitzer Died for Wall Street’s Sins
By: TobyWollin Wednesday October 8, 2008 6:22 am

There are people out there who are asking themselves "how did we get into this mess?" And there are people out there, like Greg Palast, who have been pointing the finger at the Elliot Spitzer 'take down' and saying, "Here's the guy who was looking into it...and who at just the moment when he was shining the most light, got picked up on a banking/prostitution charge. Isn't THAT interesting?" So, let's look at this:
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/25-bushs-real-problem-with-eliot-spitzer/

On February 14, the Washington Post published an editorial by Spitzer titled, “Predatory Lenders’ Partner in Crime: How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers,” which charged, “Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye."


In this editorial, Spitzer explained:


The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.


The editorial appeared the day after Spitzer’s ill-fated rendezvous with the prostitute at the Mayflower Hotel. With that article, some Washington insiders believe, Spitzer signed his own political death warrant

Given what AIG did after they got their bailout in terms of throwing themselves a big part and securing senior management’s bonuses, Elliot Spitzer starts to look like a visionary…a nasty, SOB visionary…but a visionary, nonetheless:

New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer sued American International Group Thursday, alleging the firm manipulated its books to deceive regulators and the investing public.

The civil lawsuit, announced in conjunction with the State Insurance Superintendent, comes just days ahead of the embattled insurer’s long-awaited annual financial report, which is due to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission Tuesday.

The suit charges that the nation’s biggest business insurer, ex-CEO Maurice “Hank” Greenberg and former CFO Howard Smith engaged in fraud to falsely exaggerate the strength of the company’s business and prop up its stock price. ...The suit cites e-mails and other evidence intended to show that Greenberg was personally involved in negotiating some of the fraudulent transactions, and that he directed other AIG staffers to create other misleading transactions, the statement said.


more at:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/543

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:12 AM
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1. I would love to see Obama shame the devil
by appointing Eliot Spitzer as AG.

Yes, he's a sexual hypocrite who went after low level prostitutes while paying high priced call girls for his own comfort, but he's the best prosecutor we have and he knows where a lot of the bodies are buried on Wall Street.

The only other candidate for the office would be John Kerry, a man with a great history of going after the Bushes and their dirty financial schemes.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:21 AM
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8. Me too, or at least SEC Chairman.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:52 AM
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16. He is more likely to appoint someone who is NOT under invstigation by the Justice Department
Can you imagine the confirmation hearing?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 11:40 PM
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39. Can I second that idea? It is a very sound one. n/t
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:27 AM
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44. great idea
they could at least give him some advisory position where he wouldn't be in the headlights but still have some power.

the rethugs and their press will be taking all the shots they can at Obama's cabinet and admin.


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:12 AM
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2. Actually, he's doing all right...
6 Months Later, Spitzer Is Contrite, Yes, but Sometimes Still Angry



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/nyregion/28spitzer.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=spitzer&st=cse&oref=slogin
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:12 AM
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3. This is the sentence that Obama and Biden need to say over
and over-“Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye."

Last night while listening to the debates I got the feeling that other than the letter Obama wrote to address this issue, nothing more substantial is being said. It should be said that there were no mechanisms in place to protect consumers!

I would love to hear from Mr. Spitzer right now....
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:24 PM
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36. Yes, absolutely. I want to see Spitzer vindicated big time!!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:11 AM
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49. Mr Spitzer should speak
I would be interested in what he has to say about them
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:12 AM
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4. No doubt in my mind that Spitzer was on to this whole scheme and was about to call 'em out on it
How can anyone let their little head do their thinking is beyond me especially one in such a position as governor.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:17 AM
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6. It's the little head that makes the big head aim so high, according to Freud.
Even if you don't buy Freud (and most people don't seem to), you've still got to admit that it's a constant battle between primeval driving urges and the relatively new concept of actions controlled by higher thought.

I swear, to me the biggest problem is this idea that sex is bad. Take away that cultural idiosyncrasy, and Spitzer is still in office.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:01 AM
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21. And Edwards would still be politically relevant.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:15 AM
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28. No he would not
There is a difference between having sex and cheating on one's spouse. Cheating and breaking a marital contract is much different than someone having sex. The saying goes "If his own wife can't trust him how can we"?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 02:42 PM
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33. Interestingly, Edwards and Spitzer were prophets on the economic
probles we face. How conveniently they were taken down. I could care less who they sleep with. That is between them and their wives and their children. But I am angry that they forgot their missions, lost their focus and turned to immediate gratification instead of the task at hand which each of them knew to be telling the truth to the American people.

How sad. Of course, we have no idea what John McCain and other politicians do in their free time, now do we? Maybe that is because they play along with the powerful when it comes to the economy.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:13 AM
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5. Elliot Spitzer commited suicide by whore.

I can not believe that he was not aware of the obvious fact that the bad guys also own the whores.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:20 AM
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7. Hope she was worth it Elliott






Now you're fuckin useless to us.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:22 AM
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9. I KNEW that Spitzer was taken down by Bushco, Inc.
I just knew that it was something like this. They had to take down "the Sheriff of Wall Street" by any means necessary. Had it been some repuke, they would have looked the other way, and probably pinned a medal on the bass turd.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:27 AM
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10. spitzer is an arrogant loser who thought he could do anything & get away with it nt
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:28 AM
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11. All the more reason he should have kept it in his pants. Thanks a lot, Elliot.
Did you really not think Wall Street's enforcers, the Republican Party, wouldn't bring you down any way they could? You actually handed them the gun to shoot you with.

Thanks a lot, you self-indulgent lecher. You fucked us all.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:40 AM
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12. I read the responses and just shake my head. Sexual hypocrisy makes these types of
situations. I see some here pontificating about the "little head" and "the big head." For all we know, Spitzer was set up all the way. When you want to take someone like Spitzer down, you get into his big head and learn EVERYTHING that makes him tick...his dreams, his fears, his desires. If it's going to be a "honey pot" or sexual sting, you plan everything, right down to the type of bait the victim will most likely find attractive, even where the first contact will be. You leave nothing to chance.

And to hear any man come off as a self-righteous asshole...Dude, it could easily be you in that situation. If someone was coming after you to take you down and decided to use a sexual sting to do so, you can guarantee they would find EXACTLY what gets your crank a'turning. They would find out your deepest, darkest desires and work them to death.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:46 AM
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14. Excellent post. nt
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:47 AM
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15. Normally I would agree completely
But it wasn't just sex.

It was, right or wrong, criminal sex. Prostitution is against the law in New York. He would have been in just as much trouble if he had been spending his money on illegal gambling or illegal drugs.

A sexual indiscretion would not have brought him down. A criminal act, however, did.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:21 AM
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29. Which makes it even more lethal to a man like Spitzer. A sexual sting with criminal ramifications.
What a better way to take down a law and order crusader?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:07 AM
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48. Roger Stone reported Spitzer's hooker habit a year earlier
You know, that sweetheart of a Republican political consultant with Nixon tattooed on his back? They were just waiting for the right time to take him down.

G.O.P. Consultant Says He Reported Spitzer Trysts in 2007

"A Republican political consultant said on Sunday that his lawyers wrote a letter to the F.B.I. in November stating that Gov. Eliot Spitzer had patronized high-priced prostitutes during trips to Florida.

But the consultant, Roger J. Stone Jr., said he did not know whether the letter played any role in helping investigators link Mr. Spitzer to a prostitution ring.

An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in the prostitution case said that agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the I.R.S. began investigating the prostitution ring, the Emperor’s Club V.I.P., in October as part of an inquiry of Mr. Spitzer that began last summer when a bank reported what seemed to be suspicious transactions involving Mr. Spitzer."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/nyregion/24spitzer.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:55 AM
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17. Are you suggesting that Wall Street insiders created that escort agency, knowing that Spitzer
wouldn't be able to help himself and then violate financial laws trying to cover it up? Those guys sure are clever.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:02 AM
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22. I think what was meant
was that they (whoever on Wall St) went out of their way to find what kind of woman would appeal to Spitzer and then went about finding that woman... I don't think a whole agency was created, but the Wall Streeters probably went to several different upscale agencies to find just the right woman.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:13 AM
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26. Of course not. I am saying if someone wanted to take a figure like Spitzer down, they
would find EXACTLY the way to do so, right down to the type of girl, his fantasies, etc. This type of sexual sting is as old as the hills.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:03 PM
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:02 AM
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23. !!!
:applause:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:54 AM
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31. I don't doubt that for a second
I think sexual espionage and sabotage are used with great regularity, even today.

And it's all too easy to smear someone's good name in Puritanical America.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:58 AM
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32. Absolutely! For such an overtly sexual culture, we tend to be highly repressed.
Sexual stings are highly effective in the US, especially with law and order-type figures.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:48 PM
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37. In other words, he was thinking with his little head
Makes no damn difference whether buying the whore's services was his idea or some kind of elaborate plot... he still chose to buy her services. I fucking hate this "he couldn't help himself" bullshit. I don't care if she launched herself bare assed into his lap and begged him, he still could have turned it down, but he chose not to, and he alone is responsible for that choice.

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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:09 PM
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53. Yeah, unless you're faithful to your wife, no matter what.
You draw that line in the concrete, and vow NEVER to cross over it, and all the GOP-bought whores in the world can't force you to cross over it. Or in Spitzer's pathetic case, cross over it again, and again, and again, and pay big bucks to do so.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:44 AM
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13. I've read a couple of posts here that attack elliot for having sex
with a prostitute. He has a reasonable expectation to privacy. Is paying for a prostitute legal? I have no idea. Are we entitled to privacy? I have no idea? I think we should be made as hell that paying for sex is illigal and that we have no privacy. O, but we should be more angry that our govternment cares more about who is paying for sex, than who is stealing us blind.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:58 AM
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19. you have a point
Still, Spitzer really overshot on some of his calls. He seemed like a media hound to me, even before all the prostitute stuff. Spitzer was all about Spitzer. That is my take on it.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:57 AM
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18. An old story that bears repeating again and again.
Anyone who thinks Spitzer's crimes were unique in DC, needs to attend some Congressional parties.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:15 AM
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27. I daresay there's dirt on half of Congress. Why else would Congress vote so against the
best interests of their constituents?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:01 AM
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20. i had forgotten about that
there was a lot of hearsay that Spitzer was being set up to get slapped down to stop his investigations...granted, Spitzer still had to be a willing (if unknowing) participant in the game
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:04 AM
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24. How come Republicans like Vitter can see prostitutes and not step down
but, Spitzer was called upon to resign immediately or be impeached?

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:07 AM
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25. and blowjobs
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:48 AM
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30. Wrong. Spitzer's goose was already cooked.
He was already on his way out due to his absurd handling of wanting to give illegals driver's licenses. It was then that he showed his dark side, his arrogance in believing he was absolutely right, no matter the public outcry. It was this insipid arrogance that allowed him to think he could get away with paying outrageous prices to a prostitute, break the law that he prosecuted others for, all the while building up more and more powerful enemies waiting for any dirt on him.

The guy was someone who, at the very least, did not know how to play the game. And if you don't know how to play the game, it doesn't matter one wit if you're right or wrong, fair or not, you will be ineffective.

The other aspect of this is dual standards for liberals/cons. Senator Vitter can carouse with prostitutes wearing a diaper and not only doesn't get run out of office, but gets a standing ovation when he returns to the senate. That's not going to change until more of a presence exists in the media, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Our side has to work with what we've been handed, fair or not.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:19 AM
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40. So Elliott was a pig for wanting to "give illegals drivers licenses"
interesting.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:05 PM
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52. 'Pig' is your word, I simply believe it was wrong policy, and moreover,
very poor politicking. The people who he was supposed to be serving came out forcefully against it. Part of the reason for that, was the WAY in which he introduced his policy. He didn't allow for any sort of discussion on the subject, he completely sprang this on the public without any kind of input. It was his way or the highway. In this case, HE got shown the highway.

Another example of his overweaning arrogance undoing his own goals.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:21 PM
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34. Guess what ELSE --
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was Chairman of Goldman Sachs during the period for which it was investigated for fraudulent activity by Elliott Spitzer (see Wikipedia on Paulson and Spitzer.)
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 09:23 PM
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35. I'm sorry, but Elliot Spitzer was disgusting...
Everyone of these pigs that put their wives through this deserves everything they get.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:24 AM
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41. Indeed you ARE new to the game. Why d'you think we DONT hear about YOUR favorite politicians crimes?
They are ALL recorded for posterity by the persons in charge of tracking such things
(who are usually the persons who own or pay protection for the New York and DC-area escort services, BTW).

You are new to the game, especially if you're unfamiliar with the history of New York
"machine" politics and what "machine" really referred to (blackmail and control of vice rings)

Control of vice rings, since they still exist (and you never hear Giuliani complain about them)
has presumably been given over to the Giuliani-esque agencies that infiltrated them and kicked
the mob out years ago... now they use them for sting operations against politicians. You think
they don't keep a record of their famous clients for political blackmail purposes? Who do you
think pays for those records?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:12 AM
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43. Wow. Friendly. And thanks leftymom, agreed.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 02:04 AM
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46. I'm just saying that you guys are being blinded by a classic case of perception bias.
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 02:04 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Blackmail relies on perception bias for success.

The reason you don't hear about the numerous other neighbors, politicians, and relatives who have had an affair or solicited a prostitute is because blackmailers or officers of the law had NO POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED REASON TO DISCLOSE THEIR IDENTITY to the general public, hence you don't HEAR about those cases (even though they make upwards of 40% of all married men). So you are experiencing sampling bias and inferring that the fact Spitzer was blackmailed is proof he was exceptional for having betrayed his loving wife, which confuses cause (the existence of high priced escort rings whose large client lists can be made available for a price) and effect (the fact that you NOTICED Spitzer was one of these clients because they decided to make an example of him out of all the other politicians on the client list). He who casts the first stone...
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:50 AM
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42. He should have known better.
When you're swimming with sharks, small cuts can provoke an attack.

A whole lot of mess could have been avoided if he'd thought with his big head instead of the little one.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:57 AM
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45. You're 100% right thank you
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 03:20 AM
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47. There is no doubt they investigated him until they found the hookers.
That whole thing about the cash? That was the bullshit cover story to justify why they were looking at him, and to allege "laundering" might have been a basis for their investigation.

They took down the governor because they wanted to take him down, they plotted to take him down, and they were successful.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:32 AM
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50. Wall Street is a Ponzi scheme in $4000 suits. Spitzer was taking aim at the "Brooks Bros."
So they took aim at him. Unfortunately, Spitzer was stupid enough to leave dirty laundry about for unscrupulous characters to find and flaunt.

Did taking down Spitzer change the relevant facts? NO! Wall Street is still a Ponzi scheme in $4000 suits--men AND WOMEN that would gladly pimp out their mothers for a summer house in the Hamptons. Ultimately the Wall Street debacle is like a syphilis chancre. It's the outward manifestation of a greater, more sinister condition. And that condition would be the unbridled corporatocracy that has infested America, especially American government.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 03:38 PM
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51. thank you for posting this
I've been beating this horse for a while now, defending him when it seemed no one wanted to hear what I was saying.

another victim of an illegal DoJ, courtesy of the Fascists running our country.

What is so pathetic about America is how we discredit someone immediately and react like a bunch of puritanical morans when there is a sex scandal implied.

Please.

People have sex. sometimes they do weird stuff. it's private and irrelevant, unless it involves children and/or is a direct conflict with their political positions (no pun intended, though if your mind is prone to it, I can't stop you...).

Spitzer got screwed big time (pun definitely intended). Fascism at work. Now we are all getting screwed, but I dare say it isn't nearly as much fun as he may have had.


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