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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:13 PM
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Uh oh. NeoCon + Labor Union Links - !?!?!?
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 12:28 PM by Morgana LaFey
I'm aghast and stunned, confused and bewildered. And yet, here it is in black and white. Is this news to just me???? I will never think of the AFL-CIO the same way again.

The start of my little journey this morning: This link http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295 posted by SwampRat drew my attention in this thread:
Neo-Cons Instruct Bush in Believing God and History Will Vindicate Them...Er, Him
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=411025&mesg_id=414875


At that link, this paragraph drew my attention:

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA (SD/USA)—a wellspring of neoconservative strategy—to sign a letter to Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq.

:wtf: SDS is a "wellspring of neoconservative strategy?" I repeat: :wtf:

So I follow the hotlink in the article to rightweb's SD/USA article and find these tidbits:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/gw/2810
The Social Democrats, USA (SD/USA) has its political roots in the Socialist Party. Its philosophical forefather was the intellectual Trotskyite, Max Shactman. Shactman, initially a Communist, became increasinging disenchanted with the actions of the Soviet Union under Stalin and developed a new genre of antiStalinist leftists. This group joined the Socialist party of Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas in the 1960s. (2) It was in this period that the SD/USA made its commitment to, and its first inroads into the organized labor movement. In 1972, the Socialist Party split into two factions; the left led by Michael Harrington and the right or conservative wing led by Tom Kahn, Rachelle Horowitz, and Carl Gershman. (2) The latter became the SD/USA.

In the 1970s, under the leadership of Carl Gershman, SD/USAbecame a supporter of Sen. Henry Jackson and his contingent of conservative, hawkish "defenders of democracy." As such, they gained a great deal of political experience and saavy, but little political power. It was not until the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, that the SD/USA achieved positions of power and influence in both the labor movement and the government. (2)

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Today, the Social Democrats have an important place in the largest labor coalition in the U.S. , the AFL-CIO. Lane Kirkland, president of the AFL-CIO, called SD/USA a "major force for good in America." He went on to say that SD/USA has "an understanding that defense of freedom in the world must go hand in hand with the continuing struggle for social and economic justice at home."(1) SD/USA belongs to the Socialist International and promotes its agenda within the U.S. , but it enthusiastically supports a policy of U.S. intervention abroad. (2) SD/USA proclaims itself to be the "Standardbearer for Freedom, Democracy, and Economic Justice."(3) In its domestic policies, the organization fights for the rights of organized labor and often protested the union-busting, pro-corporate policies of the Reagan administration. (3) However, in its foreign policy SD/USA is stridently anticommunist and supportive of the policies of the U.S. government. (2)

SD/USA is a small organization with fewer than 1,000 active members; however, its influence has been extensive in the "upper-middle" levels of government and organized labor. (2) SD/USA is the driving force behind the policies of the International Affairs Department of the AFL-CIO, and cooperates with affiliates of the AFL-CIO in "democracy building" projects around the globe. (4) Similarly, Social Democrats hold influential positions in the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a quasi-governmental organization formally established by legislation introduced by the Reagan Administration in 1983. (4)

Funding:

SD/USA obtains some of its funding from memberships and sales of its printed materials. (5) SD/USA receives contributions from the AFL-CIO. (4)


Note: "democracy building" is a euphemism for the kind of activity that overthrows duly elected leftists like Hugo Chavez. Same thing National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and Freedom House mentioned below. These are, IMO, profoundly anti-democratic quasi-governmental or govt funded organizations which allow the U.S. Govt to do things "unofficially" that Congress would never go for or that we couldn't officially do otherwise. Some of these types of organizations are funded via grants from Congress, and God only knows about the others. In addition, you can pretty well bank on any strongly "anti-communist" organization to be fascist, run by fascists, and basically anti-leftist government and AFAIC, anti-democracy.

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Bruce McColm and Douglas Payne represented SD/USA on the Socialist International observer delegation to the February 1989 Paraguayan elections. (16) McColm is the executive director of Freedom House, an anticommunist human rights organization that studies governments and countries around the globe to determine whether or not they qualify as "democratic." Payne is the director of hemispheric studies at Freedom House. (11) Payne also represented SD/USA at the Socialist International's Committee on Latin America and the Caribbean at its 1989 meeting in Kingston,Jamaica. (16) Freedom House is heavily funded by NED. (10,12,13,14)

Government Connections:
Carl Gershman, chair of SD/USA from 1974 to 1980, was an aide to Jeane Kirkpatrick when she was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. In 1984, he served as an adviser to the National Bipartisan Commission on Central America. Arch Puddington worked for USIA's Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. (35)

Elliott Abrams was Assistant Secretary of State for InterAmerican Affairs in the Reagan administration. Prior to that he served as Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and as a staffer for Sen. Henry Jackson. (40) Abrams was a major figure in the Iran-Contra Affair. (41)

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Private Connections:
This is where the real strength and importance of SD/USA lies. The overlapping memberships between SD/USA board of directors and national advisory council and the League for Industrial Democracy (LID), Freedom House, the A. Philip Randolph Institute (APRI), and the AFL-CIO and its affiliates are numerous. Between SD/USA and LID there are 20 overlapping board members; 13 between SD/USA and APRI; 6 between Freedom House and SD/USA; and 6 between SD/USA and the AFLCIO. (4,6,7) SD/USA also has close ties with the American Federation of Teachers (AFT). (4)

Carl Gershman is the president of the National Endowment for Democracy. (12) NED serves as a channel for U.S. government funding for "democracy building" projects in third world nations. (12) In keeping with its congressional mandate, the bulk of NED's funding (70 percent in its first two years) has been given to the Free Trade Union Institute (FTUI), an affiliate of the AFL-CIO's International Affairs Department. (4) Gershman was a research director for APRI and a resident scholar at Freedom House. (4) The Carl Gershman Papers, which take up nine linear feet at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace, are considered a valuable source on the recent history of socialism in America. However, Gershman represents SD/USA, the rightwing branch of socialism that was formed as the result of a split in the party in 1972. The leftwing is represented by the Democratic Socialists of America, led by Michael Harrington until his death early in 1989. (2)

Tom Kahn was called from SD/USA to head the International Affairs Department of the AFL-CIO by Donald Slaiman, current chair of SD/USA. (1,4) The International Affairs Department (of the AFL-CIO) operates around the world, developing and supporting "democracy" and "free" trade unions through its affiliates FTUI, the African American Labor Center (AALC), the Asian American Free Labor Institute (AAFLI), and the American Institute of Free Labor Development (AIFLD). However, it is the U.S. government's foreign policy that defines the terms "free" and "democratic."(4) Kahn also serves on the board of FTUI. (4) He is on the board of the International Rescue Committee (IRC), a group established to assist refugees of Nazi and communist oppression. (17) The IRC receives funding from AID. Its operations historically have reflected the policies and followed the interests of the U.S. government. (18) Kahn is also on the board of LID. (6)

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Albert Shanker is president of the American Federation of Teachers, a national union considered by many to be the most progressive teachers union in the U.S. (21) On the international scene, however, the AFT's activities are more conservative. The AFT conducted a project entitled "Teachers Under Dictatorship," a study revolving around teachers in Chile, Nicaragua, South Africa, and Poland. The funding for this project came from NED through FTUI.



And even more. These NeoCons have their tentacles everywhere, and a lot of it is thanks to Reagan.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:23 PM
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1. WTF?
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:29 PM
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2. Well, I appreciate the kick, but --
:wtf: does your :wtf: mean?????
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:38 PM
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3. Which part are you stunned or confused about?
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 12:39 PM by Virginia Dare
If you look at any major Washington political institution such as NED, you will find that there are overlaps. I know it sounds strange, but there is some common ground between those on the far left and those on the far right. It's subtle, but it's there.

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:26 PM
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11. Overlap?
That's not what I'd call it.

This is about fascism, for starters. About the NeoCons infiltrating and taking over parts of institutions previously very strongly pro-Democratic Party. This is about our labor unions (well, the AFL-CIO) quite probably involved in helping undermine democracies and leftist countries elsewhere in the world under the guise of fighting communism (and what business would that be of theirs????)

Again, did you READ the material?? Why are YOU so sanguine??
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:36 PM
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14. Again, yes I READ the material...
I'm sanguine because I know that it's not the case. Apparently this one particular source is all you're interested in, so no further point in arguing it.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:39 PM
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15. Especially since you can't answer my question?
Arguing what? You've not made a point, let alone an argument, and you sidestep the issue (of being challenged to MAKE a point) by attempting to insult me.

I'd SAY there's no point in arguing it, given your obvious inability to do so.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 05:21 PM
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25. Fair enough, Morgana
since we're making random connections to prove points, here is one. The current head of the International Affairs Department at the AFL-CIO is a woman by the name of Barbara Shailor. Barbara Shailor is married to a man by the name of Robert Borosage. Robert Borosage co-founded an organization by the name of Campaign for America's Future, a very progressive organization. I would venture to say that neither Barbara Shailor nor John Sweeney for that matter are neocons.

http://home.ourfuture.org/aboutus/


Also, while NED doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation, it is a bipartisan organization, it is fully supported and run by both liberals and conservatives. The AFL-CIO's connection to it in no way suggests that the AFL-CIO is being run by neocons.


http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:41 PM
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4. They've slowly been infiltrating Union positions for years.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 12:51 PM by gatorboy
To destroy it from the inside.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:48 PM
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7. How do you explain the millions that they have poured..
into Democratic campaigns over the past twenty years. The only union of consequence that has given any support to the GOP has been the Teamsters. I don't think there was anyone in this country more anti-Reagan than Lane Kirkland.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:20 PM
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8. Did you read the material? It's not all unions -- just the AFL-CIO
and one of the teacher's unions. Of COURSE they've been supporting Dem candidates forever -- that there's any support for the rightwing is the surprise, but now I begin to see how that happened, and why.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:23 PM
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10. I think you should follow the advice of the other poster..
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:25 PM by Virginia Dare
and do more research before you jump to such conclusions. I think you're off base here. I'll leave it at that. (And yes, I did read the material).

on edit:

The AFL-CIO IS most (not all) unions, you might want to research how they are funded and governed
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:29 PM
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12. What conclusions have I jumped to, exactly?
What a ridiculous statement.

I've excerpted names and associations and cross-polinizations found on a website that tracks such things.

And I've pointed out that NED and certain other organizations really aren't all that pro-democracy at all but are known underminers of foreign governments under the "guise" of being pro-democracy.

So, what, exactly, are my hastily arrived at CONCLUSIONS?????

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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:42 PM
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5. I think more research is warranted.
Current president of AFL-CIO is John Sweeney, not Lane Kirkland.
I think that rightweb entry could use some updating and fact-checking.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much of that entry will withstand scrutiny.
Personally, I'm not ready to accept it without question nor dismiss it out of hand.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:22 PM
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9. That sounds like strongly held, cherished beliefs talking
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:34 PM by Morgana LaFey
frankly. If you've got some data that disproves the AFL-CIO / NeoCon links, then let's see it. I don't care if you "accept it" or not, but unless you've got contravening information, there's nothing there to "dispute"- just "believe" or not. And that, as I said, is your choice.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:53 PM
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18. Sounds like mild hostility toward the AFL-CIO talking...
Making a questionable claim and challenging people to disprove it is a tactic I've seen before. No, I don't play that.

I just pointed out that the entry in your OP had outdated information and it raises a legitimate question of how many of these "AFL-CIO / NeoCon links" are current, active, and / or accurate.

If you have corroborating evidence that proves current links, I'd like to see it.

I'd also like to point out that the AFL-CIO, like all unions, is a democratic body whose leadership is elected by it's members.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:14 PM
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21. Hostility toward AFL-CIO??? Hardly -- UNLESS
they, like the DLC, is in bed with NeoCons. In that case, my hostility wouldn't be MILD, it would be WILD.

Making a questionable claim and challenging people to disprove it is a tactic I've seen before. No, I don't play that.

Uhh, I didn't make any claims (aside from about the NED, which isn't apparently a bone of contention). What I did was quote some excerpts -- mainly a bunch of names and organizations and cross-memberships -- and you're free to "disbelieve" any of it. If you find it lacking credibility, fine. It's not MY information and I feel absolutely NO requirement to PROVE anything to you or anyone else.

I'd also like to point out that the AFL-CIO, like all unions, is a democratic body whose leadership is elected by it's members.

Yeah, and so is the U.S. Is that how you believe we got George Bush not once but TWICE???
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:36 PM
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23. Then why are you so willing to "believe" there is evil afoot?
I've read the material and not one of the cited references are more recent than 1989.

Based on that alone I find it questionable (or ridiculous) to deduce (or "believe" if you prefer that terminology, I don't) that the AFL-CIO is "in bed" with the neo-cons as you speculate.


Are you or are you not calling into question the legitimacy of the AFL-CIO?

If so, defend your assertion.

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:16 PM
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27. Oh, goodness
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've read the material and not one of the cited references are more recent than 1989.

I REALLY don't get your point here. If I had an Encyclopedia Brittanica from 1989 it wouldn't mean that anything in there was WRONG or inaccurate or in error at that time. Oh, any science might be dated by this time and national boundaries may have changed, but basically the facts about 1989 Norway and The Magna Carta and Tutankhamen and the Medicis could be expected to be accurate.

Based on that alone I find it questionable (or ridiculous) to deduce (or "believe" if you prefer that terminology, I don't) that the AFL-CIO is "in bed" with the neo-cons as you speculate.

It isn't the whole AFL-CIO, but the international division. (Did YOU read the material??)

Are you or are you not calling into question the legitimacy of the AFL-CIO? If so, defend your assertion.

I don't even understand your question. What the hell do you mean by "legitimacy" in this context? AFAIC, your question has no relevence. It's a non sequitor, as your complaint about "1989" references is to me.

Oh, and ONE MORE TIME: THESE ARE NOT MY ASSERTIONS. I don't HAVE to defend them. I am a MESSENGER. You don't believe the message? FINE. I could care less. Quit harassing me to try to get me to DEFEND the material.

For my own reasons I find the material credible "enough," but at the same time feel absolutely no compulsion to try to convert you -- or anyone else.

:shrug: You're on your own.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:24 AM
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29. OK. Have fun with that.
:hi:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 05:28 PM
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26. They, like the DLC is in bed with the neocons..
Morgana, everybody in Washington, D.C. is in bed together to some degree. That is the nature of politics.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Then once again
if you can say that and believe that it is a cogent and appropriate response, you greatly -- and I do mean GREATLY -- misunderstand my point, and probably both the DLC and the NeoCons as well.

Pity.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:34 AM
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30. Maybe I do misunderstand..
but as far as NED goes, Nancy Pelosi herself has written legislation to fund NED projects.

As far as the AFL-CIO, Lane Kirkland, was a fierce anti-communist and whose wife was born in Prague and was an outspoken communist dissident. However, there was probably no one more critical of the Reagan administration than him, and about the only thing they agreed upon was ending communism in eastern europe.

John Sweeney ousted Lane Kirkland in large part because of his emphasis in foreign policy, many in the Labor Movement felt like he put too much of their resources into it, and during Sweeney's tenure, the foreign policy and international affairs departments have undergone extensive restructuring.

The AFL-CIO has poured millions upon millions into Democratic campaigns over the years. They have been extremely supportive of and cooperative with a variety of liberal organizations. To my knowlege, they've not cooperated or given resources to any conservative causes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As I said, the left and the right sometimes have the same ultimate goals, they mostly disagree on how you go about getting there. Most lobby shops and think tanks in Washington employ people on the left and the right. For many of them, it's all about the money, as opposed to ideology. They hitch their ropes to a star and go with it.

I don't view the DLC as the boogyman that a lot of people do, but I'm not that idealistic. There's a pot of gold that everybody's fighting for. Politics is politics, it isn't pretty, but it is what it is. There are ups and there are downs, no matter which side you're on. Political corruption goes all the way back to Rome, I doubt it will change anytime soon.

The bottom line is, based on what I know to be true, I reject your notion, based on the information you provided, that NED or the AFL-CIO by association is a tool for the neocons.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Are you a Democrat? Or perhaps
a left-leaning Libertarian? Or a left-leaning Independent?

The reason I have to ask is this:
I don't view the DLC as the boogyman that a lot of people do, but I'm not that idealistic.


Is it lack of idealism -- or ignorance?

Who Funds The DLC??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x173238
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 04:17 PM
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34. By the way..
the fact that you call Nancy Pelosi ignorant and suggest that she knows less than you do about NED earned you a place on my ignore list, so don't bother with any further reply.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:48 PM
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36. Well, I'll reply anyway
because YOU are not the only reader here.

I'm sure I'm not the only DUer who has often -- frigtheningly often -- found that I absolutely DID know more about a certain topic than (a) the pundits on TV discussing the matter and, SO sadly, (b) our elected officials.

I'll repeat: either Nancy Pelosi knows what NED is involved in and is complicit, or she doesn't know and is ignorant. I can't think of any other possibility. If someone else can, please enlighten me.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 04:00 PM
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32. NED - NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS
I really didn't want to do this (better things to do with my time), but since there are people who are so poorly informed (yes, including Nancy Pelosi), here we go.

First -- here's the google search results for NED: http://www.blackboxsearch.com/cgi-bin/searchGoogle.cgi?hl=en&q=National+Endowment+for+Democracy&btnG=Search

Now, here's your first CLUE. It was RONALD REAGAN and his administration who started it. From Wikipedia:

The National Endowment for Democracy, or NED, is a U.S. non-profit organization that was founded in 1983, purportedly to help train people in democracy and manage money grants from the U.S. Congress to that effect. Although administered by a private organization, its funding comes almost entirely from a governmental appropriation by Congress. The NED is sometimes referred to as "Project Democracy", an appellation favored by Lt. Colonel Oliver North.

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NED was founded with a view to creating a broad base of political support for the organization. NED received funds from the US government and distributes funds to four other organizations; one each created by the Republican and Democratic parties, one created by the Chamber of Commerce and one by the AFL-CIO.

The United States government created the NED as a semi-governmental arm of the U.S. foreign policy. This allows the U.S. government to promote and provide funds to U.S. allied organizations through a third party entity.

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The following reflects my own understanding of NED (written by Congressman Ron Paul - R, TX, a Libertarian with whom I agree occasionally, at least on foreign affairs):

The misnamed National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is nothing more than a costly program that takes US taxpayer funds to promote favored politicians and political parties abroad. What the NED does in foreign countries, through its recipient organizations the National Democratic Institute (NDI) and the International Republican Institute (IRI), would be rightly illegal in the United States. The NED injects "soft money" into the domestic elections of foreign countries in favor of one party or the other. Imagine what a couple of hundred thousand dollars will do to assist a politician or political party in a relatively poor country abroad. It is particularly Orwellian to call US manipulation of foreign elections "promoting democracy." How would Americans feel if the Chinese arrived with millions of dollars to support certain candidates deemed friendly to China? Would this be viewed as a democratic development?

In an excellent study of the folly of the National Endowment for Democracy, Barbara Conry notes that:

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Proponents of NED maintain that a private organization is necessary to overcome the restraints that limit the activities of a government agency, yet they insist that the American taxpayer provide full funding for this initiative. NED's detractors point to the inherent contradiction of a publicly funded organization that is charged with executing foreign policy (a power expressly given to the federal government in the Constitution) yet exempt from nearly all political and administrative controls...

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The National Endowment for Democracy is dependent on the US taxpayer for funding, but because NED is not a government agency, it is not subject to Congressional oversight. It is indeed a heavily subsidized foreign policy loose cannon.

Since its founding in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy has been headed by Carl Gershman, a member of the neo-Trotskyite Social Democrats/USA.

more at link: http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul79.html
here's the Cato Institute report quoted: http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-027.html

------------------------------------------------

This is even better:

The NED was set up in the early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA in the second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate-the Church Committee of the Senate, the Pike Committee of the House and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment.

Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name-the National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.

It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations and of cynicism. Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". Notice the "nongovernmental"-part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.

Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." In effect, the CIA has been laundering money through NED.


snip


In short, NED's programs are in sync with the basic needs and objectives of the New World Order's economic globalization, just as the programs have for years been on the same wavelength as US foreign policy.


snip -- and as for labor unions --

AlFLD's work within Third World unions typically involved a considerable educational effort very similar to the basic NED philosophy described above. The description of one of the 1996 NED grants to AIFLD includes as one its objectives: "build union-management cooperation". Like many things that NED says, this sounds innocuous, if not positive, but these in fact are ideological code words meaning "keep the labor agitation down...don't rock the status quo boat". The relationship between NED and AIFLD very well captures the CIA origins of NED.

The Endowment has funded centrist and rightist labor organizations to help them oppose those unions which were too militantly proworker. This has taken place in France, Portugal and Spain amongst many other places. In France, during the 1983-4 period, NED supported a "trade union-like organization for professors and students" to counter "left-wing organizations of professors". To this end it funded a series of seminars and the publication of posters, books and pamphlets such as "Subversion and the Theology of Revolution" and "Neutralism or Liberty". ("Neutralism" here refers to being unaligned in the Cold War.)

snip

NED would have the world believe that it's only teaching the ABCs of democracy and elections to people who don't know them, but in all five countries named above there had already been free and fair elections held. The problem, from NED's point of view, is that the elections had been won by political parties not on NED's favorites list.

more: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/TrojanHorse_RS.html

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Here's LINK TO Rightweb's coverage: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1513

And NED itself, with Carl Gershman still President: http://www.ned.org/


BTW, it is a favorite tactic of the right to get Democrtic buy-in and involvement. PNAC did it in the late 1990s with its legislation or referendum which made getting rid of Saddam Hussein an "official" goal of U.S. foreign policy. That set the stage for the PNACers and Bush and others to FOREVER say not only was it official U.S. foreign policy to get rid of Saddam, but it was a BIPARTISAN effort to make it U.S. foreign policy. SOooo, NED was put together so that its got "legitimacy" on and buy-in from the left, thanks to funding an organization that receives NED funds that Dems control and also once that the AFL-CIO controls.

I'm not persuaded that NED is a good thing. And IMO anyone who reads all that (and there's more available on-line as well) and still thinks it's a good thing just isn't paying attention. Or doesn't really belong on the left politically -- and yes, that includes Pelosi, et. al. Either she and the others are ignorant, or they're complicit in what I believe are foreign policy interventions we have no right to be involved in.


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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 04:14 PM
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33. Okay, so let me try and break down your point..
you object to the involvement of both the Democrats and the AFL-CIO with NED, and I'm fully aware of the controversies surrounding NED. It is a political organization, therefore not perfect, but I do know that there are some good and worthwhile programs that they run.

What does that have to do with your OP, which seemed to be to infer that neocons had infiltrated the AFL-CIO?

By the way, I am a left leaning Democrat, but yes, as I reiterate I am not an idealist, so I do understand that not everyone in the Party has the exact same philosophy or ideology as I do.

I accept that there are factions within the Party, and there are people who don't operate on a slash and burn scorched earth philosophy when it comes to political compromise. I don't at all agree with Democrats taking corporate money, but if they want to be competitive with the Republicans in winning elections, that's the way it's got to be at the present time.

I don't look under the bed for boogy men when the wolf is kicking the door in.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:55 PM
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37. It's impossible for me to believe
that you are "fully aware of the controversies surrounding NED. It is a political organization, therefore not perfect" -- tho I can understand how you must believe that -- because IMO the bad things they're involved in are SO bad, and SO reprehensible that whatever "good" things they do (and someone really should enlighten me what these things are, and in a way that is totally convincing) pales in comparison. I just don't approve of MY government trying to undermine ANY foreign governments. Call me idealist if you want, that's the way I feel about it.


What does that have to do with your OP, which seemed to be to infer that neocons had infiltrated the AFL-CIO?


????

First, you should know that infer is what YOU do when you draw conclusions from subtle clues in someone's writing or speech -- conclusions that may or may not be accurate. IMPLY is what you're saying I did.

I have no idea how to answer that. I think the material speaks for itself. YMMV.


By the way, I am a left leaning Democrat, but yes, as I reiterate I am not an idealist, so I do understand that not everyone in the Party has the exact same philosophy or ideology as I do.

That's certainly not my definition of idealist, a quality you must find a detriment somehow, and I'm pretty sure Webster agrees with me.

Nice chatting with you. It's always interesting to get a grasp (or gasp, in my case) on the wide variety of "flavors" that self-described left-leaning Democrats come in. It takes all kinds, they say.....

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:46 PM
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35. a few more links worth having
NED - http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NED

Carl Gershman - http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Carl_Gershman

Enlisting in the Reagan-Bush "Democracy" Offensive
excerpted from the book Workers of the World Undermined, American Labor's role in U.S. foreign policy by Beth Sims
South End Press, 1992, paper
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Labor/ReaganBush_WOTWU.html

Freedom House
Freedom House is a non-profit organization that relies upon tax-deductible grants and donations under Section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.<1> Corporate researcher Holly Sklar (1989) described it as a "conservative research, publishing, networking, and selective human rights organization." Freedom House's work is linked to the "democracy promotion" efforts of the National Endowment for Democracy.
* Sklar, "Washington Wants to Buy Nicaragua's Elections Again: A Guide to US Operatives and Nicaraguan Parties," Z Magazine, December 1989.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom_House


SDUSA
Social Democrats USA (SDUSA), a successor to the Socialist Party of America, is a small coalition of intellectuals and trade unionists. Formed in December 1972 when the followers of Trotskyist veteran Max Shachtman gained control of the Socialist Party of America, the organization retains its membership in the Socialist International despite its relatively conservative orientation.

Origin

As a result of the Shachtmanite takeover the Socialist Party USA split into two factions in the early 1970s: Carl Gershman led the right wing grouping alongside Tom Kahn, and Rachelle Horowitz (this later became the Social Democrats USA); the left wing faction became the Socialist Party, USA.

In the 1970s. the right faction was associated with Democrat Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, whose staff was made up of several key neoconservative figures, including Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, and Elliott Abrams. <1>

Although most of SDUSA's members are Democrats, the organization has maintained ties with both major political parties and has, in the past, supported a strongly interventionist foreign policy. It has been unwavering in its support for the State of Israel, and also strongly supported the 2003 war in Iraq.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Social_Democrats_USA


Additional critical links: http://www.iefd.org/articles/ned.php



AP
Aug 19, 2004
NED Funded Group helped conduct bogus Venezuela Exit Poll
U.S. Polling Firm Lands in Middle of Venezuela Referendum Dispute After Predicting Wrong Outcome


and:

April 25, 2002
New York Times
National Endowment for Democracy Funded Venezuelan Coup Perpetrators

Someone should tell the NED that a coup is the opposite of democracy

In a stunning revelation the New York Times reported on April 24, 2002 that the US-government funded nonprofit agency called the National Endowment for Democracy - whose board chairman is former Republican Congressman/Super Lobbyist Vin Weber, had funneled more than $877,000 into Venezuela opposition groups in the weeks and months before the recently aborted coup attempt.

more in both articles plus several more at link: http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientprofile.php?recipientID=251
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:48 PM
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6. You might be
interested in information on the split involving Michael Harrington going one way, and the group that became neoconservatives another, found in Taylor Branch's "At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years 1965-68." In particular, I would direct you to pages 617 through 622.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:31 PM
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13. Not without a bit more info
Can you describe, in a sentence or two, why you think that would be of interest to me? 'Cause that doesn't interest me in the least, aside from the fact that it happened. But perhaps others reading will be interested in which case a very brief synopsis would help.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:48 PM
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17. It describes
the split in the civil rights movement.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Well, that's certainly brief enough
isn't it?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Yes.
As you had requested a sentence or two, I think it was.

My suggestion that people study the roots of this division is because progressive democrats should understand what happened in the past, in order to appreciate what the nature of the conflicts we are involved in today, and to best prepare for those things which will surely confront us in the future.

Minister Malcolm X used to say that history is our best source for the lessons we need to deal with today. Or, as stated in Ecclesiastes 1:9, "The thing that has been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun." ("The Book of The Preacher")

The divide between the civil rights movement came at the time of the "Six Day War." It lead to divisions that continue today. And, as I have noted in other essays, just as there are neoconservatives within the republican party today -- many of them having been democrats in the 1960s and '70s -- there is a growing number of "neoliberals" who will attempt to highjack the democratic party tomorrow. They will be found in different areas, including posing as friends of labor.

I could say much more, but I have far surpassed the two sentence limit! (grin) Always read history books.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:58 PM
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38. Curiously, I just read this
http://www.socialdemocrats.org/Kahn.html

which is a lengthy memoir about Tom Kahn. Perhaps you're familiar with it. If not, you might be. Does it cover the matter sufficiently in your opinion? (You can skim down to halfway or so -- follow the subheads.)

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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:41 PM
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16. If they are in the PNAC camp, I can only assume they are CIA agents



Marshall was one of 15 analysts who co-wrote the PPI's October 2003 foreign policy blueprint, “Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy.” Using language that closely mirrors that of the neoconservative-led Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the PPI hailed the “tough-minded internationalism” of past Democratic presidents such as Harry Truman. Like PNAC, which in its founding statement warned of grave present dangers confronting America, the PPI strategy declared that, “Today America is threatened once again” and is in need of assertive individuals committed to strong leadership.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:10 PM
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20. Where does the CIA come in?
you've totally lost me.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:58 PM
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24. The PNAC is a CIA "Military-Industrial-Complex " front group
The OP says:

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA (SD/USA)—a wellspring of neoconservative strategy—to sign a letter to Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq.

I read the article he linked to at Rightweb -- about the PNAC:

Marshall was one of 15 analysts who co-wrote the PPI's October 2003 foreign policy blueprint, “Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy.” Using language that closely mirrors that of the neoconservative-led Project for the New American Century (PNAC),

The CIA uses front groups called the PNAC (Military-Industrial-Complex) see:

T h e B u s i n e s s o f W a r

The Military-Industrial-Think Tank Complex
Corporate Think Tanks and the
Doctrine of Aggressive Militarism

http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03jan-feb/jan-feb03corp2.html

The arms lobby is exerting more influence over policymaking than at any time since President Dwight D. Eisenhower first warned of the dangers of the military-industrial complex over 40 years ago.

War Mongers

The theory behind Bush's war posturing towards Iraq can be found in the administration's September 2002 National Security Strategy. "While the United States will constantly strive to enlist the support of the international community," states the strategy paper, "we will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting preemptively against such terrorists, to prevent them from doing harm against our people and our country."

The strategy of "preemptive war" set out in the Bush national security strategy can be traced to the conservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC), whose members have pressed this approach for more than a decade. In the run-up to the 2000 presidential election, PNAC published a report, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" which has served as a blueprint for the Bush-Rumsfeld Pentagon military strategy, up to and including the coining of terms such as "regime change."

PNAC was founded in 1997 and is headed by project directors William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, Robert Kagan, senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, contributing editor at the Weekly Standard and columnist for the Washington Post, and Bruce Jackson, a long-time Lockheed Martin executive who recently left the corporation to work full time on military policy issues. Its statement of principles recalls "the Reagan Administration's success" and urges a return to a "military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges." PNAC's founding document was signed by Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and numerous others who have gone on to become major players in the Bush national security team. Defense contractor Lockheed Martin recently hired PNAC's deputy director and principal author of the report, Thomas Donnelly

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Moyers: Cheney “Poster Boy” for “Military-Industrial Complex”

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030421.asp#1

Vice President Cheney, Bill Moyers argued on his PBS show on Friday night, is the “poster boy” for the “military-industrial complex” made up of those who “call for war with all the ferocity of non-combatants and then turn around and feed on the corpse of war.” Moyers lectured: “America's corporate and political elites now form a regime of their own and they're privatizing democracy. All the benefits -- the tax cuts, policies and rewards flow in one direction: up.”
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