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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:06 AM
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New survey says mortgage losses may not be as bad as previously thought.
New survey says mortgage losses may not be as bad as previously thought

Wednesday, October 1, 2008


http://www.wksu.org/news/story/22415
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:08 AM
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1. You Mean We Gave The Bankers The Money For No Reason - I Am Outraged!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:10 AM
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2. We just wanted "a really big number."
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:14 AM
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3. It was the final looting of the Treasury before Buchco rides off into the sunset.
We the People have been royally screwed.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:16 AM
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4. NO it is WORSE than you can possibly imagine. This is why.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 11:17 AM by Neshanic
They got the money. Now they have to pacify the populace by putting the memo out that will quell the obvious lunacy of the looting, as they line up to get more for the next manufactured crisis, the "credit freeze/recession/McDonalds can't get expresso machines"....

New crisis talking point in three weeks.

Now of course there is a crisis. There always had been. It started in late 2004. The economy is dead. They just want us to throw money on the funeral pyre and keep them warm and safe, and their offices open and their checks from bouncing.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:53 AM
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5. We're bailing out the risk-takers. The wealthier. But it's nice to see some finer scrutiny.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 11:54 AM by chill_wind
Because, you know, we just wanted "a really big number."



Instead, the results suggest that the biggest losses in the mortgage crisis are not for owner-occupied homes, but for commercial real estate loans, and loans for houses bought as investments or built on speculation, Olsen said

See more here:

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/544741/
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 01:35 AM
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32. "... not for owner-occupied homes" -- I told y'all so.
That was "hidden in plain sight" all along. Developers and commercial real estate ... INCLUDING foreign commercial developments. How obvious did it have to be? Speculators leveraging very little investment capital going for a quick turn. The sub-prime push was fly-paper for that shit.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 10:25 AM
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33. Yes! Thank you! n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:06 AM
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36. edit to move reply
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 11:10 AM by chill_wind




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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:56 AM
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6. but the sky was falling!
Nancy "Shitstain" Pelosi said so!

And she would know, because Henry Paulson told her so.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:02 PM
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7. It was the international credit markets that told us how bad the situation was
Sorry, but it's not some insular American conspiracy.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:05 PM
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8. who said anything about those shitstains being insular?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:09 PM
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9. So now it's a worldwide conspiracy?
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 12:30 PM by depakid
Things that have been happening are unprecedented- and aren't limited to the US.

However- and what this (somewhat surprisingly) shows is that for all its failings, the US is the still the world's economic leader.

One (of many) reasons why the dollars been gaining so substantially against other currencies.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:21 PM
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10. you mean, the fundamentals are strong?
whew! that's a relief.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:26 PM
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11. No, I mean your posts are vapid
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:30 PM
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12. as empty as the balloon the bailout was allegedly trying to pump up
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:34 PM
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13. Crikey, can you be any shallower?
My point about the dollar rising has to do with relative economic conditions and measures.

Calming down (or stopping panic) is what the bill was all about- so that productive (and otherwise profitable companies) don't needlessly go down. Not that anything like that seems to matter to your narrative.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:39 PM
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14. I'm glad the panic has stopped
it was really scary there for a day or two
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:43 PM
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15. It hasn't stopped- and a lot of companies- and a lot of ordinary people
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 12:46 PM by depakid
stand to get hurt.

Not that you seem to care- the public perception of which is one reason why people are wary of progressives- they see the angry left.

Sometimes, progressives are their own worst enemies.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:18 PM
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19. I'm definitely my own worst enemy.
I'm interested in how you figured out so quickly that I don't care. You are either psychic or a genius or both.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 12:23 AM
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31. Suuuuuuuuuure. Those of us who were RIGHT should listen to you who were WRONG.
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 12:23 AM by Zhade
Uh-huh.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:52 PM
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17. self-delete-- to move reply
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 12:53 PM by chill_wind
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:01 AM
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34. The strengthening dollar indicates the opposite of calm
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 12:01 PM by davekriss
Global fear and panic has caused investors around the world to pull funds out of stocks and money markets and pour them into our Treasury Bonds. The jump to Treasuries reflects their status as the best safe haven in the world; they (still) believe that their principle is safe behind the full faith and trust of the U.S. government and the 12+ trillion dollar economy that stands behind it (a positive thing for us).

To buy Treasuries, however, you have to sell your Euros and Pounds and Yen for dollars, then transact. So the net result of dire panic is a strengthening dollar and declining short term interest rates (the laws of supply and demand kick in). It has nothing to do with any global positive judgment on the sufficiency of the bailout bill (which in the long run will result in a weaker dollar than seen before the crisis). In fact, if the dollar continues to strengthen per its current trajectory all it means is the world judges the bill as harmful or irrelevant (and in effect the US citizen just wasted $700 billion -- money that could've been spent on infrastructure, education, and healthcare).

One of the reasons Treasuries are the investment of last resort is they know the U.S. government would sacrifice its own people to protect their standing. Just watch, when it comes time to pay back principle on the 2 trillion in Special Treasury Bonds held by the Social Security Trust Fund, the government will cry fiscal crisis and default. It's OK to default on the Bonds dear to the American working class, but they'll never default on Bonds held by the global investing class. Our government serves the latter, not the former. But the spin from our near-monopolized major media will drown out that truth.


On edit: Fixed second to last sentence, which originally stated the reverse.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:50 PM
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16. People are scrambling to raise cash.
Vast swaths of wealth have been wiped out in the hedge fund market. Investors are fleeing even from sound investments in the rush to pay down loans and find safe havens. That's putting pressure on thee dollar for the short term. It's not exactly a position of strength.

Looks like the Fed is trying to create a new bubble.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:56 PM
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18. Here was my simple point.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:21 PM by chill_wind
So much of the bailout debate that centered around "the subprime mortgage mess"-- THAT part of the debate, that directed so much of its ire at all those so-called low-income "deadbeat" homeowners doesn't tell the whole truth about the euphemistic "Main Street" that has been yelling the loudest-- right along Wall Street.

This is the only study that I've seen that puts out some actual numbers and puts lie to that certain part of the "blame" argument you see all over the internet.

That, and a reminder again of where the vast bulk of that $700 billion isn't going.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:20 PM
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20. the bailout was totally supply side.
any help it gives ordinary people will be of the trickle-down variety.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:22 PM
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21. No argument there. n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:29 PM
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22.  but so useful to be able to demagogue the meme: "homebuyers lied on their loan apps!" - yes?
as if some percent of americans (especially those dark-skinned ones!!) lying on home loans could take out the global economy.

god i hate & despise these people.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:42 PM
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23. Yes. Thank you, Hannah Bell.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:47 PM by chill_wind
:hug:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:32 PM
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24. Recommended. This is important news.
The fear mongers want us believe that this crisis is about working class homeowners.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:47 PM
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26. Thanks T2T, Exactly. The fear mongers and invester class media
who carried all the Bush Paulson talking points day in and day out.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:34 PM
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25. No shit.
Mortgages were just a small part of this clusterfuck.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:19 PM
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27. When people sell their homes for less than they're worth,
they still have to pay off those mortgages. That is the phenomenon that we aren't seeing yet.

I guarantee home prices aren't going up any time soon.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:51 PM
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28. The economist who predicted this financial crisis sure doesn't agree
Financial and Corporate System is in Cardiac Arrest: The Risk of the Mother of All Bank Runs

Nouriel Roubini | Oct 3, 2008
It is now clear that the US financial system - and now even the system of financing of the corporate sector - is now in cardiac arrest and at a risk of a systemic financial meltdown. I don’t use these words lightly but at this point we have reached the final 12th step of my February paper on “The Risk of a Systemic Financial Meltdown: 12 Steps to a Financial Disaster” (Step 9 or the collapse of the major broker dealers has already widely occurred).

Yesterday Thursday a senior market practitioner in a major financial institution wrote to me the following:

Situation Report: So far as I can tell by working the telephones this morning:

LIBOR bid only, no offer.
Commercial paper market shut down, little trading and no issuance.
Corporations have no access to long or short term credit markets -- hence they face massive rollover problems.
Brokers are increasingly not dealing with each other.
Even the inter-bank market is ceasing up.
This cannot continue for more than a few days. This is the economic equivalent to cardiac arrest. Then we debated what is necessary to restart the system.


I believe that the government will do another Hail Mary pass, with massive guarantees to the short-term commercial credit system and wide open short-term lending by the Fed (2 or 3 times expansion of the Fed balance sheet). If done on a sufficient scale this action will probably work for a while. But none of these financial measures affects the accelerating recession -- which will in turn place more pressure on the financial sector.


Another senior professional in a major global financial institution wrote to me:

Today, in our trading room, I could see the manifestations of a lending freeze, and the funding hiatus for banks and companies, with libor bid only, the commercial paper market closed in effect, and a scramble for cash - really really scary.


Do you think this is treatable without a) a massive coordinated liquidity boost and easing of monetary policy and b) widespread nationalisation of some banks, gtess to others AND a good bank/bad bank policy where some get wiped along with their investors? The Treasury Tarp plan is an irrelevance if we are at a major funding crisis.


And to confirm the near systemic collapse of the system of financing of both financial firms and corporate firms Warren Buffett declared yesterday, as reported by Bloomberg:

the U.S. economy is ``flat on the floor'' after a cardiac arrest as companies struggle to secure funding and unemployment increases.

``In my adult lifetime I don't think I've ever seen people as fearful, economically, as they are now,'' Buffett said today in an interview with Charlie Rose to be broadcast tonight on PBS. ``The economy is going to be getting worse for a while.' …The credit freeze is ``sucking blood'' from the U.S. economy, Buffett said.

We are indeed at the cardiac arrest stage and at risk of the mother of all bank and non-ban runs as:

- The run on the shadow banking system is accelerating as: even the surviving major broker dealers (Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs) are under severe pressure (Morgan losing over a third of its hedge funds clients); the run on hedge funds is accelerating via massive redemptions and a roll-off of their overnight repo lines; the money market funds are experiencing further withdrawals in spite of government blanket guarantee.

- A silent run on the commercial banks is underway. In Q2 of 2008 the FDIC reported $4462bn insured domestic deposits out of $7036bn total domestic deposits; thus, only 63% of domestic deposits are insured. Thus $ 2574bn of deposits were not insured. Given the risk that many banks – small, regional and national – may go bust (as even large ones such as WaMu and Wachovia went recently bust) there is now a silent run on parts of the banking system. Deposit insurance formally covers only deposits up to $100000. Thus any individual, small or large business and/or foreign investor or financial institution with more than $100000 in a FDIC insured bank is now legitimately concerned about the safety of its deposits. Even if as likely the deposit insurance limit will be temporarily raised to $250000 by Congress there will still be a whopping $1.9 trillion of uninsured deposits (or 73% of total deposits); thus, a huge mass of uninsured deposits will remain at risk as even small businesses have usually more than $250K of cash while medium sized and large firms as well as any domestic and foreign financial institution or investor with exposure to US banks has average exposure in the millions of dollars. Particularly at risk are the cross border mostly short term interbank lines of US banks with their foreign counterparties that are estimated to be close to $800 billion.

- A run on the short term liabilities of the corporate sector is also underway as the commercial paper market has effectively shut down with little trading and no issuance or rollover of such debt while corporations have no access to long or short term credit markets and they are therefore facing massive rollover problems (over $500 billion of rollover of maturing debts in the next 12 months). Indeed, the market for commercial paper plummeted $94.9 billion to $1.6 trillion for the week ended Oct. 1 (and down over $200 billion in the last three weeks). Especially banks and insurers were unable to find buyers for the short-term debt: financial paper accounted for most of the decline, plunging $64.9 billion, or 8.7 percent in the last week; but now even non-financial corporations are also experiencing a severe roll-off in the CP market. Discount rates for investment-grade non-financial commercial paper spiked to 599bp for 60 day maturities. More companies are borrowing against or tapping their revolving credit lines. This is largely due to the dislocation caused in the money markets by the failure of Lehman and the subsequent withdrawals from money market funds, which are some of the biggest providers of liquidity in the short term funding/commercial paper. Even the largest corporations are at severe stress: AT&T last week was forced to rely on overnight funding for its treasury operations, as lenders were unwilling to provide more long term financing due to fears in money market funds over investor redemption. The CEO said “It’s loosened up a bit, but it’s day-to-day right now. I mean literally it’s day-to-day in terms of what our access to the capital markets looks like,’’ Things are much worse for non-investment grade corporations and for small and medium sized businesses. As reported today by Bloomberg: Almost 100 U.S. corporate treasurers gathered for an emergency conference call yesterday to warn each other that banks are using any excuse to charge more to renew lines of credit. ``Capital is fleeing to safety,'' said Edward E. Liebert, treasurer of Rohm & Haas Co., who took part in the 90-minute call organized by the National Association of Corporate Treasurers. ``Interbank lending is not free-flowing any more,'' said Liebert, 56, chairman of the Reston, Virginia-based trade group. One bank charged a participant in the call 80 basis points to renew a routine $25 million credit line, according to Liebert, who wouldn't identify the speaker or the company. Rohm & Haas, based in Philadelphia and rated BBB by Standard & Poor's, is paying 8 basis points for a $750 million revolving line of credit provided by 13 banks, the treasurer said. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to vote on a $700 billion bailout bill passed by the Senate, global credit markets are being squeezed by banks afraid to lend to each other and to even some investment-grade corporate clients. Treasurers are struggling to keep credit lines open so they can pay employees, fund pension benefits and purchase raw materials. ``The banks are really starting to play hardball,'' said Jeff Wallace, managing partner at Greenwich Treasury Advisors, a financial consultant in Boulder, Colorado. ``They don't want to give out any more money to people because they don't have enough capital”. Banks are demanding renegotiation of interest charges or lending terms when ``routine'' amendments are requested on lines of credit, said Thomas C. Deas Jr., treasurer of Philadelphia- based FMC Corp. and an association board member.

- The money markets and interbank markets have shut down as - despite the Senate passing the bail-out bill - yesterday USD Overnight Libor was still at 268bp after reaching an all-time high of 6.88%; the USD 3m Libor-OIS spread widened to record 270 basis points; EUR 3m LIBOR-OIS spread is at record 130bp; the TED spread is at record 360bps (TED was 11bps one month ago); Money and credit markets are dysfunctional also in emerging markets ; and agency bond spreads are also at highs again.

So we are now facing:

- a silent run on the huge mass of uninsured deposits of the banking system and even a run on some insured deposits are small depositors are scared;

- a run on most of the shadow banking system: over 300 non bank mortgage lenders are now bust; the SIVs and conduits are now all bust; the five major brokers dealers are now bust (Bear and Lehman) or still under severe stress even after they have been converted into banks (Merrill, Morgan, Goldman); a run on money market funds restrained only by a blanket government guarantee; a serious run on hedge funds; a looming refinancing crisis for private equity firms and LBOs);

- a run on the short term liabilities of the corporate sector as the commercial paper market has totally frozen (and experiencing a roll-off) while access to medium terms and long term financings for corporations is frozen at a time when hundreds of billions of dollars of maturing debts need to be rolled over;

- a total seizure of the interbank and money markets.

This is indeed a cardiac arrest for the shadow and non-shadow banking system and for the system of financing of the corporate sector. The shutdown of financing for the corporate system is particularly scary: solvent but illiquid corporations that cannot roll over their maturing debt may now face massive defaults due to this illiquidity. And if the financing of the corporate sectors shuts down and remains shut down the risk of an economic collapse similar to the Great Depression becomes highly likely.

So what needs to be done? Even several hundreds of billion dollars in emergency liquidity support to the financial system by the Fed and other central banks in the last week alone have not been enough to stop the seizure of liquidity in interbank markets and the shut down of financing for the corporate sector as counterparty risk is now extreme (no one trusts any more in this crisis of confidence even the most reputable and trustworthy financial and corporate counterparties).

Thus, emergency times where we are at risk of a systemic meltdown require emergency measures. These include the following six ideas:

http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/253853/financial_and_corporate_system_is_in_cardiac_arrest_the_risk_of_the_mother_of_all_bank_runs
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 12:20 AM
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29. And for the *six ideas* on reversing this "global cardiac arrest" --I have to register at that site?
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 12:28 AM by chill_wind
The contention from me isn't whether there isn't an obvious meltdown underway, or a need for solution, it's the misleading justification of the bailout argument using the small homeowner in default as a big part of the "root cause" of the crisis, especially as sometimes seized and argued in winger circles, coding the "deadbeat" language to mean it was somehow "poor dumb minorities" lying on all those jumbo mortgage applications. It's the misplaced blame and emphasis of who Bush et al are pretending to rescue, diverting away from the real crimes and criminals that I continue to find so totally despicable.




MORTGAGE MELTDOWN: Report: Bailout tally high

By JENNIFER ROBISON
REVIEW-JOURNAL

A new study shows the number of homeowners falling behind on first mortgages for their own residences makes up a relatively small share of the nation's ailing lending market.

The report, from Ohio State University, suggests total losses on mortgages for primary residences could range from $90 billion to $180 billion. A large amount, but not catastrophic, said study co-author Randall Olsen, a professor of economics and director of the Center for Human Resource Research at Ohio State.

Olsen's bad-mortgage tally is also a good deal less than the $700 billion bailout Congress is supposed to consider today.

The biggest losses will instead rest on commercial real estate loans and loans on homes bought as investments or built on speculation, without buyers lined up.


http://www.lvrj.com/business/30256439.html

But even if you want to go with the misleading numbers inflaters that don't distinguish between more modest homeowners' and speculators' mortgage debt, who can we thank the most?




Who's to blame for the mortgage mess?

You know who the victims are. We name some of the villains in a credit crunch built on irresponsible subprime lending in the United States.
By Michael Brush

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhosToBlameForTheMortgageMess.aspx?page=1



But we know who will suffer the most-- cruelly, the least to blame, and the least able to weather what lies ahead.




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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 12:22 AM
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30. GASP - so those of us who were against the economic terrorists pushing the bailout were right?
Man, that didn't take long.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:06 AM
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35. Kiddin? Bloomberg this week estimated 2 million more foreclosures in 2009...
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:35 AM
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38. Where are they getting their numbers? And of that 2 million
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 11:38 AM by chill_wind
how does it break down between the occupied home and the commercial/speculator class? Not that we aren't/won't be affected no matter what, and I wouldn't discount any prediction of numbers of FUTURE foreclosures--- now that, with the events of the past couple weeks especially and the bailout debate we are seeing a full-blown PANIC.

The study wasn't about a prediction. The point here is about the huge massaging of the facts used to make arguments and appeals about who is responsible for this massive amount of debt and who is getting "bailed out."
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 11:12 AM
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37. And *get this*: The Federal Reserve Board Bulletin- which is responsible for the gov't equivalent
of this kind of consumer finance research ("Survey of Consumer Finance") only conducts these surveys and reports every 3 years. And as of now- in the midst of this crisis-- and need for data-- the last survey they have is from 2004. Their 2007 is allegedly done but it has still not been released. Eh?

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/oss/oss2/2007/scf2007home_modify.html


Here is a podcast from Randy Olsen of the Ohio State University's Consumer Finance Study (CFM)- the study in the OP. In comparison, they conduct their research every year. It's 21 minutes long and probably most people not interested in this aren't going to sit all the way through it, but about 15 minutes into the podcast he cites some interesting data on consumer credit card debt, too. He says that since 2005, consumers have also been working concertedly to pay down their CC debt. In 2005, 41% of CC users carried over some kind of debt from month to month.

In 2007, that number was down to 32%, although the balances were bigger, so while a smaller number, those were people who probably had much larger outstanding debt they were stll paying down. He also talks about those payday loans. In 2005, about 1.5% had payday loans at any given time, with an average loan of $2600. In 2007 it had decreased slightly to 1.1% and the average balance was less as well- $1900.

Americans have been watching closely, worriedly, and tightening up well ahead of this, DESPITE and UNLIKE our own Fed and state run media who up unto this meltdown have been in denial mode. This is why people are angry.


http://filene.org/publications/detail/facts-figures-and-food-for-throught

P.S. While googling yesterday, I discovered that some of our Congress reps had actually been given this Olsen study during the bailout deliberations, and a couple who were considering switching votes were asked to comment, but declined. I wish I would have saved the link- if I can dig it out of my history, I will try.
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