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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:07 AM
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'Please listen,' say veterans of Iraq war
'Please listen,' say veterans of Iraq war
Shawn Doherty — 9/29/2008 12:36 pm

Nearly a dozen Iraqi war veterans gathered in Madison Saturday to tell war stories. These were not tales of honor and glory.

There were descriptions of a macho military culture that cracked jokes about gays and called Iraqis "rag heads" and "towel heads." There were accounts of an army that sent soldiers into battle with broken equipment and insufficient training. They told of trucks that ran over young children and soldiers who played cruel games with prisoners and panicked and shot civilians. There were stories of commanders indifferent to their troops' medical and mental suffering.

"I joined an institution that I thought stood for honor, but instead it stood for intolerance," recalled Martin Smith, who told how his comrades would cheer as they watched Iraqis eviscerated during violent training videos. Smith, an Illinois resident, served in the Marine Corps from 1997 to 2002, when he was discharged with a Navy Achievement medal.

A sparse audience of only 200 attended the Memorial Union Theater event, which was coordinated by the Iraq Veterans Against the War. IVAW is a national organization with 1,200 members in 48 states. Over the past year, IVAW has held a handful of similar panels across the country in an effort to mobilize opposition to the war. Several of the veterans on the panels said that they hoped their stories about the reality of war and the difficulties of coming home again would correct the official accounts of events overseas.

Eric Hughes was in college in January 2003 when he got a call that he needed to report to duty in 72 hours with the Illinois National Guard. It took his caravan 48 hours to get up to Fort McCoy in Wisconsin, he said, partly because 12 trucks broke down on the way.


Rest of article at: http://www.madison.com/tct/news/306861
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:14 AM
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1. And since the word is out now, does this mean a draft?
200 attended :rofl:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:15 AM
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2. How can it be about honor when you are being trained to kill people?
People must stop believing that shit. Maybe we all must learn how to defend our country, and spend a set number of weeks or months in training every few years. That should be IT. The culture that continues to glorify the warrior is thousands of years old. We need to change.

As for our men and women being encouraged to be intolerant, how else do you convince them it's okay to mow down another human being? The state of their equipment... reflects the degree to which our CIC and other leadership view our warriors: with disrespect, with contempt and with disregard.

This makes me SO ANGRY!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:24 AM
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4. Being a protector of one's home can be an honorable calling..
Soldiering is not automatically a dishonorable profession, placing oneself in harm's way in order to protect one's fellow citizens is a noble gesture at heart.

That our politicians have made it into something foul is not the fault of the troops.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:48 AM
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5. I am not "blaming the troops."
I blame the culture that can't seem to let go of the idea that there is honor in murder. And I suggested an alternative to the huge military complex we are now supposed to so revere and respect. The fact is that you cannot force people to behave like animals without pulling them down to that level first... if they aren't already there. I don't respect that and I don't honor it. That isn't the same as no honoring and respecting human beings.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:18 AM
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3. "A sparse audience ... "
That's the real story. Americans want to hear about "heroes" who are "fallen", not ordinary, fallible people who are dead.
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:54 AM
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6. When I heard McCain (Reckless) say months ago...
that he didnt care if it took 100 years, he would not pull out of Iraq until those men and women could come home with honor...I was livid! That sealed the deal for me...how DARE he look in that camera and say (after using his POW status for his political gain) that the vets know he loves them...and that he will do anything for them...that is a BOLD FACED LIE!!!

And btw, we didnt' WIN VietNam...we pulled out, so how did you end up w/this "honor" that our dont? They come home with honor EVERY DAY since this movement started under false pretenses....

http://ofbyandforthepeople.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/john-mccains-voting-record/

http://www.votevets.org/index_html
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:56 AM
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7. reminds me of Kerry
and his Band of Brothers
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:00 PM
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8. Exactly what I was going to say, bigtree. This is Vietnam all over again without the draft.
It's WAR. The American people no longer are allowed to see what WAR actually is. This is one reason we are still in Iraq.

These soldiers are true patriots. We need more like them.

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