OMG OJ Guilty On All Counts! Yes Yes Yes!!!!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

That murdering piece of shit will finally have his ass rot in prison. Finally! Just woke up and read the news and am ecstatic!

Hell, might be for completely different charges but I really don't give a fuck. He's a brutal cold hearted murderer who should've started a life prison sentence 13 years ago. Finally justice is served. Finally Ron and Nicole's killer will be behind bars. FUCK YOU OJ! Rot in hell you bastard.

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[bobd0]

1. Totally ignoring the fact that OJ was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

You'd make a great Republican.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. He Still Killed Them And Should Be Locked Away, Regardless Of His Ignorant Peers.

And finally we see that day! Woohooooo!!!!!!

[bobd0]

31. So how did you come to the conclusion his peers are ignorant?

"The jury consisted of 8 blacks, 2 Hispanics, 1 half-Caucasian, half Native American, and 1 Caucasian female."

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Jurypage.html

Are you basing your conclusion on the racial makeup of the jury as most white Americans did? Hmmm?

What does that tell you about yourself? Probably nothing.

The OJ trial, among other things, was a mirror for the white/black divide in America. After witnessing white America's reaction after the trial and their continued reaction over all these years I find it very hard to understand how white America can continue to look at itself in this or any other mirror.

Pardon me, white America, but your racism is showing -- again.

[cali]

36. pardon me, but insisting that all white americans are viciously racist is bullshit

suggesting that any white american who thought that OJ murdered his wife is a racist, is ugly bullshit. Some are. Some aren't. Your ugly hate is showing.

[bobd0]

37. Pardon me but I never said all white Americans are "viciously racist"

Even though American history proves that many were and many still are.

You misrepresent statements as well as any Republican.

Show me where I accused white Americans of being "viciously racist". I said white America is inherently racist and American history also proves that fact.

I completely understand why you'd want to misrepresent my statement and duck the truth. White America suffers from cognitive dissonance on its racism, and rightfully so. But that doesn't change the fact that white America is inherently racist.

[cali]

42. tough shit for you that I agree that white america is inherently racist

I have no illusions on that anymore than I have any illusions that americans- black, white, hispanic and other are inherently homophobic or inherently sexist. we aren't color blind. we aren't tolerant of gays and women are still fucked over by a patriarchal society. Having said that, we have made progress. I live in a very white area of the whitest state in the country and yet in 1988, my county voted for Jesse in the primary. This year in the dem primary we voted for Obama. Vermont will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. That's progress.

And I apologize for saying you said, viciously racist. You didn't. I don't like it when people put words in my mouth. Sorry I did it to you. But your posts in this thread have been largely codswallop. All that crap about how people on DU will revert to racism, and yes you said that, and the shit about how you don't see how white americans can look in any mirror. That's just grotesque generalization. And it sucks.

I don't suppose it bothers you that America is inherently sexist and even more homophobic than it is racist. You're looking through a very narrow prism. Hell, you're running around here calling people racists pigs. Hard not to have contempt for people who throw such charged accusations around.

Oh, and I lived with a black guy for two years- and that was back in the late seventies. We encountered very little crap about us- not from our families our friends.

[liberalhistorian]

142. So does that mean that nonwhites have the right

to commit cold-blooded murder and then get away with it? Does the existence of institutionalized racism mean that nonwhites shouldn't be held accountable for any crimes they may commit?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. ROFLMAO!!! You Really Are Too Much!

They were ignorant because despite the way the defense tried to confuse everything and the bullshit tactics of the defense (such as bloating oj's hands so the gloves wouldn't fit), there was so much obvious evidence that he was guilty of the crime that to have been convinced from the theatrical games that it wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt, would make one ignorant in my opinion. And it had nothing to do with racism, and all to do with a cold blooded brutal killer and wife abuser getting away with a crime he committed. Get a grip.

May he now rot for the rest of his days!

Wooooooohoooooo!!!! He's finally getting his ass locked up!

[marions ghost]

160. I agree with you OMC

The jury in the original OJ criminal murder trial was so wrong.

Many people are so naive they don't know that juries are often wrong, especially when you can stack them with ignorant people or biased people. There are cases like that everywhere in this country all the time. Anyone who doesn't know this knows nothing about our "justice" system.

[groovysadgesun]

71. Perhaps it was REVERSE racism since the victims were White?

Hmm...see how it works both ways here? There was clear evidence of OJ's stalking tendencies and violence/jealousy against Nicole. And even when he was set free, whom did he gravitate towards? A Black woman? Hell to the no! Why, bestill my heart, it was a Nicole look-alike!

[JeanGrey]

111. White racism??? LOL After OJ? Oh my..............

[liberalhistorian]

140. Maybe because they took less than three hours

to "reach a verdict" after months of testimony, volumes of evidence and thousands of pages of transcripts. Maybe because they already had their minds made up well before they went into deliberations. Maybe because many on the jury were devotees of the bullshit "jury nullification" doctrine, which has caused so much harm and damage and is as blatantly unfair as the often-institutionalized racism of too many courts. Two wrongs don't make a right. OJ killed Nicole and Ron Brown and got away with it plain and simple. He got away with it 'cause he had the money to hire the legal "dream team", a luxury not available to most poor minority and poor white defendants, and because of his celebrity status.

OJ thought he could murder in cold blood and get away with it, and he did. He thought he could commit felonious robbery and kidnapping and get away with it. His hubristic arrogance finally did him in.

My only concern is that, being in the legal field, people should not be convicted because of past deeds. They should only be convicted of the offense for which they're actually being tried. What disturbs me is that many of the jurors in this case have said that they were very influenced by the previous verdicts. That shouldn't have played a factor in things. That being said, I do believe there was more than enough evidence for a conviction on these separate charges.

[JeanGrey]

166. Where did you read this jury said they were "influenced"?

I haven't read that at all. I heard some of their press conference and they even said that OJ himself convinced them and they wouldn't have convicted based only the witnesses that turned state's evidence. No where did I read they were influenced by the earlier trial.

[Bake]

159. Bullshit! Do you REALLY think he didn't do it?

Wow. Just wow. The trial was a circus that got out of hand due to a camera-struck judge and inept, star-struck prosecutors. OJ is damn lucky he had a good lawyer.

Funny how a civil jury came to the opposite conclusion in the wrongful death case.

Bake

[LostinVA]

172. OJ murdered Ron Goldman and Nicoke Brown

And, by your standards, he was found guilty of the murders by a jury of his peers (and, the jurors in his first trial said DNA wasn't real).

[Tallison]

14. Courts don't find people 'innocent'

A small, but important, detail.

[cali]

16. he certainly was NOT found innocent. Do try and learn the basics

[RBInMaine]

24. OJ IS A VISCIOUS KILLER WHO HAD A FRIENDLY JURY AND WEAK PROSECTUORS ! STILL,

there was strong evidence to convict of the crimes he obviously committed (the physical and other circumstantial evidence were overwhelming), and I'll also remind you that he WAS found, by a "JURY OF HIS PEERS" responsible for the wrongful death of his victims in civil court.

[garlicmilkshake]

28. Does that mean we Democrats should support guilty people getting off by a bungle or

technicality?

[Missy Vixen]

33. He wasn't "found innocent"

He was acquitted. Two different meanings.

We might also add that that jury wasn't going to convict him if he were standing in front of the court with the bloody knife, covered in blood, and Nicole's body at his feet.

Julie

[LostinVA]

176. Yup, the jury who neither believed in nor understood DNA evidence

[LisaL]

49. Not this time.

[northernlights]

55. depends on how you define peers

Peers would be people with similar socio-economic status, I would think, far more than same skin color.

Being found innocent does not make one innocent. Certainly not in a country where money buys "justice."

[TZ]

60. Yes he was found innocent because a lawyer

Convinced the jury that DNA evidence wasn't "valid"..that a 1 in a 300,000 chance of it being wrong meant the testing wasn't accurate.
Three cheers for victory by deceptive means! Hell its just actual science..what place does that have in actual "justice"?:sarcasm:
I can pretty much tell you had ONE person on that jury been a professional scientist/biologist the verdict would have been different.
Victory through ignorance...

[kath]

78. Victory through ignorance is exactly what it was. They deliberately sat extremely ignorant people

on that jury - including one woman who bragged that the only thing she ever read was the racing form. Like democracy, the jury system does not function well when people are incredibly stupid/ignorant, lacking the capacity for critical thinking, having no concept of science or logic, etc.

Hubby and I have backgrounds in the biological sciences, and it was ABUNDANTLY clear that he committed the murders. Agree with you that it was incredibly appalling that the defense managed to convince the jury that DNA evidence wasn't accurate. Unreal.

[JeanGrey]

112. Yes. and they had an INCREDIBLE amount of evidence.

The jury was simply in way over their heads, and not willing to convict in the first place. I don't believe they would have convicted if they saw him do it. There was so much evidence the verdict was mind boggling. Even OJ couldn't believe it (and rightly so)

It ws just a matter of time before he imploded.

[JeanGrey]

170. What really blows me is away is that the DEFENSE stipulated,

and so did OJ Simpson, that the blood WAS HIS. And yet, apparently the jurors were asleep at this point. I guess they didn't realize how damning this is.

[yodoobo]

64. The Jury decision is a legal construct

That the state is bound to honor.

As free people however, we are entitled to form any opinion we choose.

I saw the evidence. OJ was guilty. OJ slaughtered 2 people.

The jury was wrong, and OJ got a free pass for 13 years.

Fortunately, that free pass is now and gone, and he's going back to prison where he belongs.

I'm just glad he didn't kill anyone else in the last 13 years.

[shadowknows69]

66. Yep, he sure was

But not for this crime.

[mzmolly]

67. So it's Republican-esque to believe that wealth bought OJ the

ability to get away with murder?

[shadowknows69]

68. The jury in the first trial couldn't find OJ guilty

Those of us watching the trial saw more evidence really than they did in some ways. The prosecution did such a botch job of things that reasonable doubt was there. In my opinion anyone who thinks he didn't do it or at the bare minimum had a hand in it is blind but I understand why according to the evidence presented he was aquitted.

[groovysadgesun]

70. Do you recall one of the brilliant jurors on the original case?

She was presented with pics of Nicole's battered face and evidence that OJ committed domestic abuse regularly (remember that wrenching 911 call?). Her response was: "If you want to try a domestic violence case, then do that. This is a murder case." She saw absolutely NO connection between a pattern of stalking and domestic battery and murder! Oy vey!

[Swagman]

127. she was correct.

[LostinVA]

178. She was wrong -- there was a DIRECT correlation

[JSK]

72. He wasn't found innocent

He was found not guilty. There is a difference.

[kath]

76. He WAS found guilty of wrongful death.

and even in the murder trial, there was mountains and mountains of scientific evidence against him. The prosecution did a terrible job.

[tblue37]

83. A OJ's close friend, sports agent, and business advisor recently published a book

entitled How I Helped OJ get Away with Murder.

The man no longer asssoictes with OJ and is overwhelmed by a feeling of guilt, not just for helping OJ get away with murder, but also for not stepping in when he knew how badly OJ was abusing and threatening Nicole.

According to his report of what OJ told him, Nicole actually brought the knife to the door, and OJ said that if she hadn't had that knife (which she carried to defend herself against him) she and Ron Goldman would still be alive.

Typical abuser "blame the victim" mentality.

Here's a link to the book page on Amazon. The author's name is Mike Bennett:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Helped-O-J-Away-Murder/dp/1596985518/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223150993&sr=1-1

From the Inside Flap
You Don't Know the Full Truth About O.J. Simpson and the Murders that Gripped a Nation.
But Mike Gilbert does, and after nearly two decades of being O.J. Simpson's sports agent, business advisor, and trusted confidant, Gilbert is breaking his silence and telling the full story of the man he idolized, but now despises.

Gilbert's shocking tale is unlike anything you've read before; it isn't his "version" of what happened--it's the unvarnished truth. The truth about O.J., the murders, and the infamous trial. Not as Gilbert imagined or would like it to be, but how it actually was. Gilbert doesn't spare anyone, not even himself--he helped deceive the jury and feels deeply responsible for the "Not Guilty" verdict.

So why is Gilbert speaking out now? Has he gone from sinner to saint? Is he making a play for sympathy or looking to make a quick buck? No. (Proceeds from this book are going to the March of Dimes and other selected charities with which Gilbert has long been associated.) Gilbert is writing this book because he regrets what he did for his adored, childhood idol. He can no longer find any excuse for how he has shielded O.J. Simpson; and he is determined that the full truth must now be told, including:

* O.J.'s late night confession to Gilbert
* How Gilbert was responsible for O.J.'s hand not fitting the murder glove
* Why O.J. murdered Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman (it was more than jealousy)
* Why Gilbert defended O.J. for so long--and what finally convinced him he could do so no longer
* How O.J. ignored his financial obligations to the Goldman family and milked the tabloids for money
* The real reason why an armed O.J. burst in on the memorabilia collectors in Las Vegas (Gilbert had what O.J. was looking for)

Told with searing candor, this book leaves no one's reputation intact--not even Gilbert's. But he casts a glaring light on how celebrity can corrupt, how power can mislead, and how friendship and loyalty can be perverted. His book is meant to set the record straight, to lay to rest the ghosts of that dreadful night that have haunted him ever since, and to now play what little part he can to forward the process the of justice.

[SeattleGirl]

84. He was found "not guilty", which is not the same as being

found innocent.

The "not guilty" verdict means simply that there was not enough evidence for the jury to find him guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt", the standard for guilt in a criminal trial.

There is no such thing as a verdict of "innocent".

[Swagman]

128. I think "not guilty" mean the opposite to "guilty"..yeh ??

[Recursion]

145. Not guilty means the case wasn't proven

Scottish courts have three verdicts: innocent, guilty, and not guilty. We only have juries decide whether the People proved their case; if the case is not proven, the jury does not address whether or not the defendant actually committed the crime.

[SeattleGirl]

150. Not in our judicial system.

Sorry, but there IS no such thing as an "innocent" verdict in a court of law.

[LostinVA]

180. Wrong again

[uppityperson]

96. No he wasn't. Try to learn before insulting or casting asparagus.

He was found "not guilty" which does not mean innocent. Those are the choices, guilty, not guilty. Nothing about being innocent. Before you start insulting you might try learning a bit about how trials work.

[JeanGrey]

110. He wasn't innocent. They were stupid or prejudged or both.

[Marnieworld]

136. And you are ignoring the fact that they never saw the picture of him in the killer's shoes

It was also 1994 when most people did not grasp DNA evidence. After years of Forensic files and CSI he would have certainly been convicted.

He wore the killer's shoes. His blood was there. There blood was at his house. Even if you take away the blood evidence as somehow contaminated/corrupt the shoe evidence has never been questioned.

As for juries- they get it wrong all of the time. There are many innocent people released when DNA evidence exonerates them. We were the jury too, we got to see it all so don't tell me that my opinion is less than theirs.

I for one love this justice. He goes to jail because he was working outside the law to avoid the Goldmans getting any money for their judgement. It's beautiful.

[LostinVA]

179. Bingo -- he wanted to keep screwing the Goldmans out of money he OWES them

[Recursion]

144. Juries don't find people "innocent", and there's no "jury of your peers" in America

The phrase a "jury of your peers" comes from English common law and was to guarantee that nobility couldn't be tried by commoners. Our jury system is of a completely different philosophy.

[progressiveforever]

151. I'm not happy that OJ was convicted.

While he may or may not have been guilty in 1994, this just shows how hellbent our government can get on revenge.
The "victims" do not see themselves as the victim of a crime yet the prosecution and subsequent conviction rages on. Yet real murderers and criminals such as Bush and Cheney are never charged.

If this didn't wreak of setup, I would say "justice served", but OJ Simpson is going to go to prison now for something he might have done in 1994, despite his 1995 acquittal. This Vegas case is just about the fact that he is OJ Simpson.

The government exacts revenge while thousands in this nation are imprisoned falsely.

Was OJ guilty of murder?? Likely, but not provable beyond a reasonable doubt. But he does not deserve this from the government now.
If it can set up OJ Simpson, it can certainly set up you and me.

Remember--government intervention brought us eight years of Bush- Cheney.

[JeanGrey]

167. Bush had nothing to do with this. OJ is going to prison because

he committed armed robbery and several other felonies. No more and no less.

[NaturalHigh]

161. How many of the people touting OJ's not guilty verdict...

are still screaming about how the Duke lacrosse players got away with committing a rape?

You can't have it both ways, folks.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

165. Ummmm, They Didn't Rape That Piece Of Trash.

Trying to compare the two incidents is ridiculous.

[Inspired]

3. Yes, let him rot in hell but something about his bothers me.

And I'm not sure what or why.

[Kookaburra]

4. Same here

It just doesn't feel right to me.

Believe me, I'm no OJ fan. I never agreed with the jury's decision in 94, but it was the jury's decision. You have to accept that, and I did.

It feels like they've been planning to nail him for "something" ever since. Just biding their time to get him.

[qazplm]

7. then again

even if he was innocent of murdering his ex, only the criminally stupid would do anything to get himself in trouble a second time.

I hope the jury found him guilty solely based on the present case, but it is hard to feel too much sympathy for him, even if he didn't kill his ex.

I believe he clearly did, but I had no heartburn with the first jury finding him not guilty based on the incompetence of the prosecutors in that case. Clark and Darden were not up to snuff.

[alarimer]

11. The prosecution in that case totally blew it.

They had pretty much an open and shut case and yet somehow managed to screw it up so completely.

This case I am not so sure about. I didn't follow it at all and I wonder if maybe the jury was getting back at him for the other case.

[Iggo]

62. The prosecution's problem...

...was that the cops (one of whom was a blatant racist) tried to frame a guilty man.

They snatched defeat from the jaws of certain victory.

[shadowknows69]

69. Bingo!

[JeanGrey]

113. Really ? What cop would that be and what evidence

for "framing" do you have?

[pipoman]

123. Oh they are

still ringing the Fuhrman bell. Granted he is a conservative, but if you recall a plethora of black co-workers and even people he investigated and worked to convict came forward in his defense. The irrelevant line of questioning which led to his ultimate perjury conviction would not have been permitted in virtually any other court in the country outside of CA and likely LA.

[JeanGrey]

147. Furhman was nothing. He was the 16th cop on the scene for heaven's

sake and could not possibly have done anything unless fifty people were in on it which is impossible. That part has always amused me but since the Defense stipulated the blood was OJ's they really had nothing else but the race card. But with that jury they didn't need much.

Never has anyone gotten away with more with more evidence against him.

A good article out I read said that 13 years ago a lot of people didn't want OJ to go to jail but now they don't care.

[mnmoderatedem]

162. amusng indeed

apparantly some 17 different police officers and investigators, all arriving on the scene at different times from different locations, decided right then and there to frame OJ.

And of course OJ never had the money to pay the civil judgement. And how much was the memorabilia he was reclaming worth???

[JeanGrey]

168. Not to mention the fact that ALL of the blood evidence was

collected before OJ even gave his sample. Yes hundreds of people were in on it.

[On the Road]

163. Some of the Evidence for Framing

came from the Chinese blood-spatter expert who testified that the pattern by which the blood drops were distributed did not look natural.

[JeanGrey]

169. That is ridiculous. There was no framing. Blood wasn't

available for them TO USE in framing as it was collected before OJ got there - and there was no EDTA in the samples. It didn't happen.

[On the Road]

187. I Have No Idea Whether There Was Any Framing

The expert witness said the blood spatter pattern was not natural ("All I know is... something wrong"), and it undoubtedly influenced the jury.

[JeanGrey]

189. The blood pattern evidence was completely natural

considering how the victims were killed. The jury was out of it and not willing to hear the truth.

[Freddie Stubbs]

103. Who is this "they" that you are referring to?

Did "they" trick OJ into hiring a group of thugs to commit armed robbery?

[Hekate]

109. The murders were in California, he's been living in Florida, and this crime was in Las Vegas...

It's kind of a long road for the "they" of whom you speak. I don't think the dots connect all that well.

I think that OJ Simpson's ego, vanity, and jealousy are once again to blame -- only this time he doesn't have the golden glow of his fame and his money to buy him another not guilty verdict.

Hekate

[JeanGrey]

148. Yes. People have wised up about OJ over the years.

[qazplm]

5. you are not sure

if he really is guilty of the current crimes and the jury believed so, or if some on the jury saw this as a chance to do karmic justice from their point of view.

[norepubsin08]

8. It bothers me too

The prosecutors comments were almost phobic of Simpson, Much of the power structure in Nevada is still for a very conservative state, very white and very anti-OJ, it is overwhelmingly Mormon and the Mormon church has not had the best of relations with people of color in it's history. Also these could have been lumped into a couple of charges and in Washington state at least, usually during a robbery, there isn't a charge for kidnapping. Seemed like piling on to get the guy. I also wonder at the make up of the jury? Non sports fans? Older? poorer? all white? While I have no love for OJ because I truly am mystified about what happened in 1994, I think the legal system felt burned and wanted a piece of him. Notice how they rushed these people back to court late last night to get the verdict on the anniversary of the OCT 3, 1995 innocent verdict. It just smells a bit to me.

[Tallison]

17. Yes, the jurors were all white

in which case it would interesting to know the percentage of black people in the county, and whether the jury pool was representative of that.

I'm withholding critique since I know little about the evidence in this case.

[norepubsin08]

22. Just checked:

Roughly two million residents in Clark County 27% of them are non-white of which 10.8% are African-American doesn't sound like a very representative panel to me!!!!

[LisaL]

54. The jury's composition is going to depend on whoever shows

up for jury duty. There is also a process upon which both prosecution and defense can eliminate a prospective juror.
And OJ I am sure had his defense lawyer during jury selection.

[norepubsin08]

61. I am a law school graduate and I know that but

there are ways to manipulate that...when sending out jury notices, you can make sure the vast bulk of them for that trial period can be sent to upper income white neighborhoods. The jury system is stacked against black and poor anyway. You have to be able to not have to go to work, or have an employer that pays the differential between employment and jury pay and also not be a convicted felon. Also poorer and people of color tend to move around a lot more which means they don't get updated on the juror summons lists quite as much.

[JeanGrey]

114. They called FIVE HUNDRED jurors.

It will hold up on appeal

[Marie26]

156. Sure it will

That doesn't mean it's right.

[JeanGrey]

171. It won't hold up.

[Missy Vixen]

35. The verdict was read because the jurors came to a decision

It's hard to believe that they were "rushed back to court". I've been a juror. The verdict is read if it comes in, and it sounded like the jury was deliberating and made their decision. The defendant and their counsel are usually there when the jury's there, just in case. I'm sure the judge also wanted to avoid the media circus inherent in keeping that verdict secret all weekend.

Julie

[norepubsin08]

40. I've been a juoror also

we had a verdict reached on a Friday at about 4;42 pm and the court didn't take up the verdict til 10AM on Monday..it could have waited over weekend...that was a grandstanding bullshit deal!!!!

[Missy Vixen]

65. Was there huge media interest in the trial you were on?

No?

Maybe the decision would have been different, huh? In the case I was on, we came to a decision five minutes after we walked into the jury room. The foreman decided we'd eat lunch before calling the judge. It was also a Friday afernoon.

The judge in this case was right to have the verdict read as soon as she could assemble counsel and defendants. She wanted to prevent a media feeding frenzy. For the most part, she got her wish.

Julie

[MH1]

124. so did you have to show up Monday morning?

if I had something big going at work, it would annoy me to have to return to jury duty on Monday when we had reached the verdict on Friday. Even if it would result in a mostly free day for me, as a taxpayer I'd still think it was stupid and inefficient.

[Swagman]

129. yes it's called payback and it's wrong and people on here are even demanding it

..even though they have the right to feel that way we cannot live with a system of law if that if revenge is found via other means.

It seems to me that this trial is the one people wanted 13 years ago and that's very sad.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

130. That Fucker's Gonna Rot! Woohoooo!!!

And ya know, he is guilty of armed robbery and kidnapping, which still makes him a piece of shit thug, so stop acting like he's bein sent to prison now for jaywalking.

But to know that piece of shit is finally behind bars where he belongs? Priceless.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Oh He's Guilty As Hell Of These Charges Too. The Audio Tapes Say It All.

Justice was served here. But to know that fucker will finally be locked away is fuckin awesome!

He's a cold blooded murder and now also an armed robber. He's a piece of shit thug. May he rot!

[Name removed]

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[Raineyb]

74. Perhaps because the amount of celebration makes it seem as though some people were just looking for

a reason to lock him up to make up for the shitty job that CA did of trying him the first time around?

Maybe you're sensing that this conviction was more about the murder case than the facts of the current case.

:shrug:

Regards

[Marie26]

154. Me too. It's vengeance, not justice.

He was convicted of all 12 counts? Faces possible life in prison? For taking back some of his old memorabilia from a sports dealer? The jury was all-white in this case & that's worth noting IMO. This was basically "double jeopardy", with the new jury exacting vengeance for a prior crime after he had been already found not guilty of that crime. I don't like it.

[JeanGrey]

174. He didn't "take it back" he strong armed them with a gun!

Don't you understand? You cannot DO THAT. You can't hold people in a room, that is kidnapping! And they didn't belong to OJ! A lot of that stuff was left in storage lockers that didn't have the rent paid on them and they were auctioned off. And even if they DID they belonged to the Goldman's, OJ was only doing this to hide assets! Good grief.

[kstewart33]

10. Justice delayed but finally, justice. nt

[bobd0]

13. How can you call it justice delayed when OJ was found innocent by a jury of his peers?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Because He Really Fucking Killed Them, That's Why.

Legally he was innocent. In reality he wasn't. Piece of shit murderers like that should be off our streets. Thank God he finally is!

[bobd0]

18. So you have some evidence that wasn't presented at the trial where he was found innocent?

When the system works in white America's favor they never complain. When it doesn't? Bullshit.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Yeah. There Was A Whole Trial's Worth Full Of Evidence. And He Wasn't Found Innocent.

He was not found to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, at least according to the dumb jurors. He's a cold blooded killer who is now also an armed robber and kidnapper. Rot in hell OJ you fucker! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[bobd0]

25. Convicted = guilty. Therefore not guilty = innocent.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. Ummmmm, Like, No. Doesn't Quite Work That Way.

Being found not guilty means the jury felt there was reasonable doubt as to whether or not the party was guilty. Having reasonable doubt as to whether one was guilty does not make one innocent. Duh. Get a grip.

[bobd0]

30. So in your world being found not guilty means you're really guilty if you disagree with the verdict?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Nope. Pretty Ignorant Deduction Actually. Oh, And OJ Was Guilty As Hell. And Now His Thug Ass Is

gonna rot!!!!

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. He Is A Thug. He's A Cold Blooded Dangerous Abusive Murderous Unfit For Society Piece Of Shit Thug.

And your ability to call people racists for the most moronic of reasons makes you look quite ignorant and silly. :hi:

[uppityperson]

97. Maybe you should go watch a trial or serve on a jury and find out what it really means.

Find out how juries are limited in their choices, of what they must base their guilty/notguilty decision on. Since it seems you really don't know.

[jrockford]

105. you're obviously not a student of law....lol

[Clintonista2]

141. Stop speaking before you embarass yourself any further

thanks.

[Marnieworld]

138. Yes the picture of him wearing the killer's shoes

Duh

[JeanGrey]

149. THERE WAS A TON OF EVIDENCE presented at that

murder trial!! Way more than was needed!

[ShortnFiery]

120. OMC, the intensity of your emotional response is somewhat disquieting ...

Perhaps you have women in your family who have been within abusive relationships?

Otherwise, I just don't get it. :shrug:

[LostinVA]

182. Legally he was found Not Guilty,not Innocent -- the fucking murderer

[krispos42]

48. Ken Lay is not a criminal, either.

He died before his appeals were heard, so his convicion was abated. In the eyes of the law he was never indicted, tried, or convicted.

Doesn't make him innocent.

It means he was a criminal that the system couldn't touch.

[gollygee]

50. "Not Guilty" does not equal "innocent"

Being found "not guilty" means there isn't ample evidence to prove guilt. It does not mean there is evidence to prove innocence.

[JeanGrey]

177. Except in OJ's case where there was TONS

of evidence...............

[hisownpetard]

19. FInally!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

12 thumbs up for putting Simpson where he belongs.
He had thirteen years of freedom he didn't deserve, all of which he spent thumbing his nose at the families of those he murdered.

Maybe he'll finally be able to find the murderer when he enlarges his circle of friends, in prison.

I wish him as many sleepless nights as the Goldmans have had since their son was murdered...

[liberalhistorian]

143. Exactly! Remember that awful book

that he tried to publish a couple of years ago, "If I Did It", in which he described how he'd have done the murders "if he did them" (well, yes he did do them). He claimed it was just 'cause he "needed money", but it was a horrible, awful, sick and disrespectful thing to do, in line with the piece of shit that he was and is. The only thing that finally stopped publication was the public outcry over it; after that the publisher dropped it. Sick, arrogant motherfucker.

[RBInMaine]

20. LOCK HIS VISCIOUS ASS UP FOREVER !

[Amerigo Vespucci]

23. "I don't like to use the word payback"

The Hall of Fame football star was convicted of kidnapping, armed robbery and 10 other charges for gathering up five men a year ago and storming into a room at a hotel-casino, where the group seized several game balls, plaques and photos. Prosecutors said two of the men with him were armed; one of them said Simpson asked him to bring a gun.

The verdict came 13 years to the day after Simpson was cleared of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in Los Angeles in one of the most sensational trials of the 20th century.

"I don't like to use the word payback," defense attorney Yale Galanter said. "I can tell you from the beginning my biggest concern ... was whether or not the jury would be able to separate their very strong feelings about Mr. Simpson and judge him fairly and honestly."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27010657/

[arcadian]

44. Payback? So much for double jeopardy.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. What Are You Talking About? The Defense Attorney Said That, Not The Prosecution.

How in the world does that amount to double jeopardy?

He was guilty then, and he was guilty now. At least this time his ass will finally rot in prison as it should!

:bounce:

[LisaL]

52. Do you have any understanding of what double jeopardy is?

If you found not guilty of a crime, you can not be tried again for the SAME crime.
It doesn't mean you are not going to be tried for any subsequent crimes you allegedly commit.

[arcadian]

75. Yes, but "payback" implies that he was being tried for his previous crime all over again.

lizzy...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

92. Pay Attention. That Phrase Was Uttered By The Defense Lawyer, Not The Prosecutor.

Why are you failing to grasp that? Of course the defense attorney is going to say that. DUH.

:dunce:

[cobalt1999]

26. Later tonight I'll raise a glass of wine in the direction of his prison.

Now if someone would just shank him while in prison, justice would really be served.

[garlicmilkshake]

29. Better late than never, I suppose.

;-)

[otherlander]

32. Fuck... I hate agreeing with you.

:woohoo:

[Beausoir]

34. YEP! I love the thought of that murdering piece of filth rotting behind bars.

He got an extra dozen years that his wife and Goldman didn't.

Throw it behind bars and lose the key.

[Bill McBlueState]

41. It's been a difficult 13 years for you, I see

Glad you can finally get on with your life. I know these have been tough times for honest, hardworking Americans like yourself. But the sun always rises.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Believe Me... There Are A Whole Hell Of A Lot Of People That Will Be Ecstatic That The Fucker Will

finally be locked up! FUCK YOU OJ!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

101. OH MY GOD Talk About Over Reaction ROFLMAO!!!!! Do You Not Realize How Absolutely Absurd That Is?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nothing I think is more dumb than people honestly thinking bitterness towards OJ walking free had something to do with racism. That evil fucker abused the hell out of his wife and then, in cold blood, brutally murdered both her and her friend. Then he walks free for the SOLE reason that he was rich and had the money to afford a defense team that were able to put on such a dog and pony show that the jurors didn't even know what to think anymore. But he was guilty as guilty can be and everyone but the braindead knows it. So the anger is not out of racism, silly lad, it is out of seeing an evil piece of shit that abused his wife repeatedly and then took her life in the most brutal of fashions, along with her friend's, walking free for years when he should be rotting in prison along with the other cold blooded killers.

So your response makes you look sillier than you can imagine, and is so over the top absurd it almost isn't funny. But it still is.

:rofl:

[csziggy]

51. Whether or not you think OJ committed the murders he deserves to be in jail

Just because he considered the sports memorabilia his, did not give him the right to go into someone's room and threaten them. He is a thug and needs to be shown that he must follow the law.

I do think he killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman - I agree with Vincent Bugliosi on that and think Bugliosi would have gotten a conviction in that case. Once OJ was acquitted, there was nothing more the law could do to him for those crimes, so I am glad his attitude that he is above the law has caught up with him.

[Iggo]

73. Ah. Some sense.

Thank you.

[csziggy]

86. Thanks!

I like your sig line, BTW.
:hi:

[MzShellG]

53. That's how I will feel when it's B*sh/Che*ey's cold hearted murderering...

Asses in the Hague. They have oceans of blood on there hands, and brought their own country to ruins, while the 1% gets richer.

[cottonseed]

56. Now Cut Off A Piece Of His Flesh And Let OMC Eat It!

Sorry dude, but anyone that just wakes up and gets this excited about OJ Simpson may one day find himself removed from a functioning society.

[depakid]

57. It was kinda like the message board equivalent of an orgasm

[Bluebear]

77. --

:thumbsup:

[Downtown Hound]

79. LOL!

[nam78_two]

89. ...

:rofl:
:thumbsup: That was awesome!

[TahitiNut]

100. !

:applause:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

102. I've Been Hoping For Years That This Piece Of Filth Would Find Himself In Prison Somehow.

To know that it's finally gonna happen is absolutely exciting to me!

I can't stand that this cold blooded piece of filth murderous worthless scumbag has been free all these years cocky as hell. So yeah, to know that worthless fuck will finally rot in prison for ADDITIONAL crimes of being a brutal scumbag thug is definitely something that I feel good about. Pieces of shit like that should NOT be allowed to carry out normal lives.

FUCK YOU OJ! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Jed Dilligan]

164. Further proving excellent point #56.

You sound unbalanced, disturbed even.

[Hekate]

117. ROFLMAO. Okay, dear OMC, it really is time for you to chill out. It's over. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

155. You are now my friend. Best post of the day so far.

:toast:

[CitizenPatriot]

58. for what it is worth

I met one of the cops involved in that case (the one who wrote the book) and he told me things that would chill anyone's blood about the evidence "dismissed", hence the title of the book.

It's interesting how much race is brought up in this discussion, but little is said about domestic violence. To me, OJ never represented the African American plight of injustice within our court systems during his trial, as he was wealthy and as such was a member of the upper class, who can and do afford the best representation. It was odd to see so many projecting this onto him, clearly having no concept what fame and money buy.

Having good lawyers and working the system to get evidence dismissed is not a sign of innocence.

After he was acquitted, many domestic violence shelters reported domestic violence rates spiking, as many abusers took his acquittal as a sign that killing your spouse/partner was something you could do and get away with. The violence against women in this country is revolting. The statistics on the number of women murdered by someone they dated or had a relationship with are at epidemic levels.

OJ had a long history of abusing the victim. It was a terrible day for justice when he was acquitted. It's worth noting that Scott Peterson would probably have been acquitted were it not for the tapes Amber Fry made, as the general public simply can't conceive of the nice man sitting in front of them with the little boy smile actually killing his wife in cold blood. Without audio or video tape, these trials end up being a character play... a game that a little charm easily wins.

The OJ trial was a terrible day for women who were trying to escape brutal relationships. It set this country back and freedom for women back many, many years.

I am not happy that he is going to jail, finally. I am relieved. He is clearly a violent person who is a danger to society. It doesn't matter what his race is; his behavior is consistently violent and abusive. he does not deserve to be walking the streets, free to intimidate and harm others with no repercussions.

This is a good day for justice, but not a happy day. I feel great sadness for our nation, for his children, for Nicole's family, et al.

And in the end, I wonder why we aren't horrified by the violence perpetrated against women in this country? It is rarely even discussed; it remains a hidden hate crime. I hope that Joe Biden, champion of the Violence against Women Act, brings more light to this issue when he is VP. I also hope that justice for African Americans in our court system is addressed, along with a host of other hate crime, class warfare, etc issues. We have a lot of work to do in this country. I believe Obama is the first step in achieving many of these goals.

HOPE and CHANGE for all.

[rebel with a cause]

82. I agree with your post and would like to post my own little bit .

on the original trial and the concept that whether you thought OJ was guilty or innocent depended on whether you were Black or white. I am white and I thought he was guilty, not because he was Black but because I understood the abuse pattern and I also recognized the games the defense was playing with the jurors. On the other hand, I lived in a very white area where the racism is very high. Most of the people that I knew that were racist thought OJ should be found innocent, not because he was but because Nicole deserved what he did to her.

What had she done, one might ask. For one thing, she was a white woman that married a Black man. Right there was reason enough for many of them to think that she got what she deserved. They didn't blame him on this, after all any Black man would marry a white woman if he could, it was her that lowered herself to that point. (their thoughts) The other reason that they thought she deserved it, they bought into the tabloid stories that she was a drug using slut. Oh, and Ron was her lover who came over and drove the car that she bought with OJ's money, so he got what he deserved also. There was no sympathy for the victims where I was, and OJ was rich and a sports/movie star.

Like I said, I am white but I am far less prejudice than any of those that I heard proclaiming his innocence. I kicked my oldest sister out of my house one day over comments she made about Nicole Simpson and why she deserve to be killed by OJ. Why I felt so strongly by all this could probably be explained by the fact that I was a white woman married to a multiracial man who abused me, and people kind of thought I deserved it because I had married outside of my racial group. To them, I should have know better just like she should have known better. :shrug:

[CitizenPatriot]

95. I really appreciate what you've written here

I heard a lot of blaming Nicole because she cheated on him (clearly it was irrelevant that he cheated on her almost daily and in her face). People who make comments like this do not understand the pattern of abuse.

there is no reason for the abuse, other than the abuser making the choice to take their anger,, aggression and helpless feelings out on someone weaker (economically weaker, physically weaker, etc). I worked at a shelter and they made the point that these men weren't "losing their tempers" because they didn't lose their temper with their boss, or a guy bigger than them, etc. They chose to get angry at their wives, their children, their pets, etc because they had the upper hand physically with those people.

As you so eloquently pointed out, there were plenty of excuses floating around for OJ during the trial and they weren't all coming from African Americans. It is truly sad and embarrassing to me that America is this provincial in regards to abuse of women. The general mind set is that is is the woman's fault. This is always followed by the question, "Why didn't she leave?"

Except they're not really asking why. They're implying that she liked it or deserved it and that is why she didn't leave.

The reality is that more women are murdered trying to leave abusive partners than at any other time in the relationship. Pregnancy is the second most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship.

Where are all of the pro-lifers now?

yeah, I didn't think so.

[Hekate]

116. "More women are murdered trying to leave abusive partners that at any other time..." Bingo

Nicole was not living with OJ any more, and yet he believed he had the right to stalk her and spy on her, and ultimately, to kill her.

Thank you for bringing up the spousal abuse aspect and expanding on it. As I point out in my post below, the Brentwood police did not act to protect Nicole from OJ -- he had everything going for him: gender, fame, glamor, charm, social status, money. She was nothing, a former waitress, a former wife. Race was not a factor for OJ in this situation.

Hekate

[raccoon]

158. This should be shouted from the rooftops:

"I worked at a shelter and they made the point that these (physically abusive) men weren't "losing their tempers" because they didn't lose their temper with their boss, or a guy bigger than them, etc. They chose to get angry at their wives, their children, their pets, etc because they had the upper hand physically with those people."

Exactly--they could control themselves when the other person was as strong as/stronger than them, or when they knew they would have to face serious consequences for being physically abusive.

[ShortnFiery]

119. "I am not happy that he is going to jail, finally. I am relieved."

My sentiments exactly.

I can only suggest that when we experience STRONG emotions regarding the plight of a celebrity whom we are unrelated, perhaps we should search within our own soul for "issues."

Way back (last Cretaceous Period? :silly:) I was "in love" with a man who beat me. A doctor who I knew socially inquired about the large dark bruise on my upper right arm where where my boyfriend had punched me in anger ... but I was so ashamed that I denied that I was being abused. However, that doctor's concern made me THINK and get out of that abusive relationship. But not before he stalked and once attempted to kidnap me resulting in my relatives interceding with his to prevent anything horrific.

My heart goes out to all women who live in fear ... either within or attempting to break away from abusive relationships.

Yes, I concur. I'm not filled with glee, but grateful relief that justice has been served in this case.

[CitizenPatriot]

135. I'm glad you got out safely

I know how difficult that is. It takes great courage.

I hope we see some great changes in this country's attitude toward women under an Obama/Biden ticket.

This is just another reason Palin (patriarchal barbie) upsets me; she is the woman who uses the current system to her advantage. Easy for her, she is willing to sell her soul out. She clearly doesn't care about women, rape victims, etc. When I think of what it would mean for women who are trying to get out of abusive relationships to have this monstrosity in office, I shudder.

Even with the current laws, women are not protected as they should be in a civilized society. PPOs, restraining orders, etc are only as good as the police officer interpreting them at the moment. Let that sink in.

There are technicalities the rest of America never hears about; like a criminal restraining order (ordered by the judge) being served via the mail because the abuser refuses service. Then, when abuser breaks into victim's new home, victim calls police, police arrive and say the order isn't served properly so they won't act on it.

Police leave, victim is murdered.

Paperwork "glitch" is figured out later. Oops.

If anyone is reading this who wants more information on how to protect themselves or a loved one, please feel free to PM me.

[yodoobo]

59. Awesome. Karma is a bitch

Nice to hear some good news every once in awhile.

And what kind of criminally stupid person do you have to be, to get a free pass from killing your wife and someone else, and then find yourself up on charges again 13 years later for an entirely different crime.

This either proves the absolute criminal stupidity of Simpson, or the power of Karma. Or both.

[Bryn]

63. The Universe has Spoken. Justice is served.

:hi:

[mudesi]

80. Hey OPERATIONMINDCRIME....

I wouldn't be jumping for joy if I were you. He hasn't been sentenced yet. Watch him get a light sentence just because the judge doesn't want to seem like it's all about comeuppance.

That being said, I hope he gets what he deserves. The Universe Has Spoken.

[sampsonblk]

81. It'll be overturned on appeal

This is obviously a miscarriage of justice.

I don't believe any appeals court will let this BS stand.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

85. ROFLMAO!!!!! FUNNIEST POST YET!!!!!

:rofl:

[sampsonblk]

87. Well thanks for your support.

I am glad you're more interested in revenge than in justice in this particular case.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

93. There Was Justice. And That Fucker Is Finally Getting What He's Deserved For Years! WOOHOO!!!!

:bounce:

[Swagman]

131. why are you "shouting" ?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

133. Because I Was Laughing So Hard. DUH.

:dunce:

[McPainsBrain]

88. Lay off the weed man.

I enjoy it too but you've obviously smoked too much if you think a Nevada appellate court won't affirm this sentence on appeal.

[LostinVA]

183. Oh Gawd

[JackRiddler]

90. What a happy national catharsis...

of no meaning to anyone except the direct victims, but hey, let's call it a holiday for the media-saturated.

[nam78_two]

91. Got it in one

The OP has enough faux righteousness to please even those residing in the sewer that is faux news. I am not defending OJ-I just don't get how anyone can even care about this shit given what is going on in this country right now. Holiday for the crap media saturated indeed.

[Tutonic]

94. Amazing how a blinking light or in this case jumping frong??? diverts so much atention away from

real substantive issues. Eye for an Eye mentality will do you good in a Mccain administration.

[Naturyl]

98. For once, I totally agree with OMC.

Have fun in jail, dirt bag.

[IndianaJones]

104. woo hoo...scared white people can breathe a sigh of relief. nt.

[Bluebear]

106. Have you ever seen such an orgasm as this post?

[AlCzervik]

107. i'm not surprised at all sadly.

[Hekate]

108. To those here who are defending OJ: in 1995 he had every advantage going for him you can imagine...

Beloved sports icon -- beloved by both black and white citizens. He could do no wrong. Charming. Handsome. Extremely wealthy.

Nobody gave a damn that he married a beautiful young white woman. He was The Juice! He was a god! He was above race!

OJ Simpson was brought low by his own ego, vanity, and jealousy. By his own abusive actions toward his former wife.

And even then he wasn't brought low. The cops in Brentwood didn't interfere when he beat Nicole. He was OJ!

When he cut the throats of Nicole and Ron (where were his children? inside the condo? did he think of them waking to find all that blood?) -- when he did it, he had one more thing going for him.

Rodney King.

The white cops who beat the shit out of Rodney King, a hapless, feckless, black nobody, were caught on tape. We all saw the tape replayed in an endless sickening loop practically 24/7. You would think -- anyone in their right mind would think -- that the jury would find these clowns guilty, take away their badges, and probably jail them for unprovoked grievous bodily harm.

But no. The same jury system that gave us the OJ Simpson jury gave us the jury that let these cops off.

Well, then there was a riot. And nobody forgot.

There have been those in the African American community, both then and now, who have openly stated that the OJ Simpson verdict in his murder trial, the one where he had the very best legal team money could buy, was "payback for Rodney King." I believe that payback is partly true, and that the rest of the truth is that wealthy OJ was able to purchase the best verdict money could buy.

I also believe this is karma come 'round at last. I'm not jumping up and down about it though. God only knows what damage has been done to the psyches of Nicole's son and daughter.

Hekate

[CitizenPatriot]

134. excellent points

I remember all of that like it was yesterday.

I join you in your concern for Nicole's children and I hope that OJ being in jail frees them from his influence finally. I can't imagine what it must be like to have a parent who was found guilty in a civil court of murdering your mother.

Payback; what an interesting concept. If this is true, payback got OJ off in 95 and got him locked up for 20 years finally in 08. Payback is a scary concept in that it reveals at the very least how poor our justice system can be.

I hope that anyone defending OJ saw the video of the times the police were called to his and Nicole's house, when he was cheating on her and had just beaten her to a pulp and he stood over her laughing at her with contempt and scorn. This didn't end when she died. OJ went on international TV to make sure everyone knew she was a "whore". What kind of monster would do that to the mother of his children? And since when do men own women? How dare he call Nicole, who was buried and couldn't even defend herself, a whore. He was a whore in that relationship - but the patriarchal double standards of this country allowed him to point a finger at her, as if it justified her being murdered, without him coming right out and admitting it. Let's not forget OJ's book, "If I did it" that he wanted to publish, which went through an account of the murder and how he would have done it. This is someone anyone here feels like defending?

My heart went out to her and her children and her family-- I can't imagine the hurt of being treated like a piece of garbage by the man you married and loved. Imagine being publicly humiliated and beaten and then, when you finally stick up for yourself and get the courage to leave, you are murdered. Who would defend a man (esp that size) who beat his wife regularly? Who would try to make the argument (that his lawyers made) that a wife abuser isn't a wife murderer? So not true. Who has the right to abuse another human, another living being?

Imagine him doing that to their children, their pets, because that is what happens. What is so sickening about our society is people will get up in arms about a man abusing the children or the pets, but if it was his wife he hit, they're not so disturbed.
Everyone should be educated about domestic violence, as it is an epidemic and is likely affecting someone you know and care for at some point.

a few stats:

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner.

Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause18 , and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.19

In a national survey of more than 6,000 American families, 50 percent of the men who frequently assaulted their wives also frequently abused their children.28

As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

http://www.ndvh.org/educate/abuse_in_america.html

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[57_TomCat]

118. I hope he rots in hell...

and the sentace is long.

[MrSlayer]

121. What goes around comes around.

He's still getting off easy.

[eridani]

122. He was acquitted the first time because the forensics people insisted on gilding the lily

The chain of custody accounting was appalling, and on that ground alone they had to acquit.

[hiphopnation]

125. what a sad person you are n/t

[Swagman]

126. whatever you think of the previous trial OJ should only be judged

on the current events and it looks like a stitch-up to me.I think we have to resist the desire for revenge for past events..and who could not have simpathy for the Goldman & Brown families.We cannot allow the law to be used to "get even" for a past mistake.Otherwise the law becomes meaningless.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

132. The Law Wasn't Used To Get Even. He Committed These Recent Crimes And Will Pay For Them.

But to know that the dumb fucker slipped up so bad that he will now be spending the years in prison he should've been serving anyway, is glorious to me. That fucker should've never been set free. This time the law and the jury worked. This time that piece of garbage is gonna be locked up. FUCK YOU OJ! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[aikoaiko]

137. I bounce with you OCM.

:bounce:

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[Clintonista2]

146. OJ is going to rot in prison

Thankfully.

[Tektonik]

152. He deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life, BUT he is totally going to win in appeals

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

157. On What Grounds? There Is No Basis For A Successful Appeal.

That fucker's just simply gonna rot.

[JeanGrey]

181. How? His defense only put up ONE witness, only one!

Why? Because HE DID IT. They didn't have a defense. Just like his "dream team" had no defense the first time but they got a complacent jury.

I doubt seriously any appeal will be successful.

[bdamomma]

153. better late than never.

now we have to get that POS in the WH.

[LostinVA]

173. Agreed -- he should have been behind bars the last 10+ years

As well as paying the Goldmans the money he owes them.

Arrogant fucking sociopath.

[Ichingcarpenter]

175. I'm so glad everyone posts on this important issue.

This is what matters isn't it?

[LostinVA]

184. I personally think domestic violence is very important

[kwassa]

185. Yeah, OJ is SOOOOOOOO important. Not.

How many murders are never solved?

Back when I lived in LA, during the trial, LAPD had only roughly a 66% closure rate on murders. As there were about 880 murders than year, recalling from distant memory, there were about 260 for which no one was arrested, brought to trial and convicted.

How much press did they get?

None.

Don't they deserve the same level of outrage?

[Ichingcarpenter]

186. At least someone understood my sardonic statement

Now about those TWO WARS we have......

These people never post on those threads.

[Lil Missy]

188. Oh, FFS. These suggestions that "poor OJ" was convicted for a past crime are just ludicrous.

There were video tapes, a tape recording, and testimony from his circle of "friends" against him, who happened to be thugs and criminals themselves.

He was tried and convicted on the CURRENT charges, fair and square, and in a fair trial. This notion that he's getting picked on is just ridiculous. It's as if some people think he should get a blank check and free pass to commit any felony he wants to, and not have to suffer the consequences like any other poor Black or White schmuck would.

And I wholeheartedly agree that African Americans are treated more harshly in our current legal system, and unfairly singled out by Police by prejudice, and sometimes to the point of brutality.

I know that, I understand that, and I can also appreciate the rage behind that. But I don't think OJ deserves the focus of that rage, and it would be better focused on the true oppressed and poor schmucks, who really do get railroaded. He's not done a damn thing for the African American community.

If you really want to focus on a REAL injustice, start with the Rodney King verdict. Now THAT was total bullshit! It was even filmed, for crissakes! That was a horrible miscarriage of Justice that I will never forget. And for good measure, move along to the Robert Blake acquittal. OMG, only in LA.